Your rights have been taken away as of today

[bigrebnc1775]

Tell me I am wrong tell me that when the bill voted on by the senate did not just strip Americans of their 4th 5th 6th and possibly 8th amendment away?

The bill does allow the executive branch to waive the authority based on national security and hold a suspect in civilian custody.
The legislation also would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens seized within the nation's borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., had sought an exception to the provision for U.S. citizens, but her effort failed, 55-45.

Senate approves $662 billion defense bill - Yahoo! News

All that awaits is obama signature. It could be a poly to give obama a chance to say look I vetoed a bill and protected your rights. He get's re-elected by a grateful nation and bam he strips those rights away after he has been re-elected.

And this is why Paul supporters frequently sound paranoid.

Really?

 

[katsung47]

National Defense Authorization Act (1/2/2012)

The Gift of New Year 2012 President Obama gives Americans is a new law that ripped their civil right – NDAA.
1. It is a stealth raid on people.

The Act was proposed in later November, quickly passed by the Senate and the House during the Thanksgiving holiday and Christmas season. It was signed by President on New Year’s Day Eve. It was a typical military style - a stealth attack on civil rights taking the advantage when people were relaxing their vigilance in holiday season.

2. So said mainstream media kept a tight mouth on this important issue. Blind the eyes of a lot of people.

3. Majority of law makers and the President passed the Act. It proves the “politicians” don't represent the voice of the people. It also proves the election system has been hijacked by the intelligence already. The so said representatives are not elected by the voters but selected by the rulers of this country.

4. Beware the Feds to turn the US into a “battle field” so they could eliminate the dissenters. It’s easy for them to do so – just plant a few provocateurs in Occupy Wall Street Movement.

5. War on Iran is their major goal. With great possibility, there will be false flag nuclear attacks on US cities to justify the Iran war. Most people realize the truth of the 911 attack. This law is created to deal with the people who won’t believe this government anymore when such “terror attack” happens again.

 

[katsung47]

Montanans Launch Recall of Senators Who Approved NDAA Military Detention.

Merry Christmas, US Senateby Ralph LopezFollow .
.Sun Dec 25, 2011 at 01:33 PM PST.
UPDATE 12/26/2011:


This is from a statement from Stewart Rhodes of Oathkeepers regarding Republican Denny Rehberg as a target of recall, who also voted for NDAA.

Here in Montana, while we will go after all three violators of the Bill of Rights, I will place special emphasis and "focus of effort" on Denny Rehberg, since he is so fond of wrapping himself in the flag and claiming to be defending the Constitution while his votes do the exact opposite. In that sense, Rehberg is much like John McCain and Lindsey Graham, two Republicans who, right along with Carl Levin and Joseph Lieberman, are leading a sustained and relentless assault on our Bill of Rights.
Moving quickly on Christmas Day after the US Senate voted 86 - 14 to pass the National Defense Authorization Act of 2011 (NDAA) which allows for the indefinite military detention of American citizens without charge or trial, Montanans have announced the launch of recall campaigns against Senators Max Baucus and Jonathan Tester, who voted for the bill.

Montana is one of nine states with provisions that say that the right of recall extends to recalling members of its federal congressional delegation, pursuant to Montana Code 2-16-603, on the grounds of physical or mental lack of fitness, incompetence, violation of oath of office, official misconduct, or conviction of certain felony offenses.

Daily Kos: Montanans Launch Recall of Senators Who Approved NDAA Military Detention. Merry Christmas, US Senate

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Montanans Launch Recall of Senators Who Approved NDAA Military Detention.

Merry Christmas, US Senateby Ralph LopezFollow .
.Sun Dec 25, 2011 at 01:33 PM PST.
UPDATE 12/26/2011:


This is from a statement from Stewart Rhodes of Oathkeepers regarding Republican Denny Rehberg as a target of recall, who also voted for NDAA.

Here in Montana, while we will go after all three violators of the Bill of Rights, I will place special emphasis and "focus of effort" on Denny Rehberg, since he is so fond of wrapping himself in the flag and claiming to be defending the Constitution while his votes do the exact opposite. In that sense, Rehberg is much like John McCain and Lindsey Graham, two Republicans who, right along with Carl Levin and Joseph Lieberman, are leading a sustained and relentless assault on our Bill of Rights.
Moving quickly on Christmas Day after the US Senate voted 86 - 14 to pass the National Defense Authorization Act of 2011 (NDAA) which allows for the indefinite military detention of American citizens without charge or trial, Montanans have announced the launch of recall campaigns against Senators Max Baucus and Jonathan Tester, who voted for the bill.

Montana is one of nine states with provisions that say that the right of recall extends to recalling members of its federal congressional delegation, pursuant to Montana Code 2-16-603, on the grounds of physical or mental lack of fitness, incompetence, violation of oath of office, official misconduct, or conviction of certain felony offenses.

Daily Kos: Montanans Launch Recall of Senators Who Approved NDAA Military Detention. Merry Christmas, US Senate

It won't happen because there is no constructional authority to recall a U.S. Senator of congressman.

 

[katsung47]

Obama sued over indefinite detention and torture of Americans act

17 January, 2012, 02:28

US President Barack Obama is the target of a suit filed by Pulitzer Prize-winner Hedges, and the reasoning seems more than obvious to him. The decision to take the commander-in-chief to court comes as a response to President Obama’s December 31 signing of the National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA, a legislation that allows the US military to detain American citizens indefinitely at off-site torture prisons like Guantanamo Bay.

Obama amended the NDAA with a signing statement on New Year's Eve, insisting that while the Act does indeed give him the power to detain his own citizens indefinitely without charge, that doesn’t mean he will do so. Specifically, Obama wrote that his administration “will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens.” Under another piece of legislation, however, the government is being granted the right to suspend citizenship of any American if the Enemy Expatriation Act joins the ranks of the NDAA as an atrocious act approved by the president.

Obama sued over indefinite detention and torture of Americans act — RT

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Obama sued over indefinite detention and torture of Americans act

17 January, 2012, 02:28

US President Barack Obama is the target of a suit filed by Pulitzer Prize-winner Hedges, and the reasoning seems more than obvious to him. The decision to take the commander-in-chief to court comes as a response to President Obama’s December 31 signing of the National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA, a legislation that allows the US military to detain American citizens indefinitely at off-site torture prisons like Guantanamo Bay.

Obama amended the NDAA with a signing statement on New Year's Eve, insisting that while the Act does indeed give him the power to detain his own citizens indefinitely without charge, that doesn’t mean he will do so. Specifically, Obama wrote that his administration “will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens.” Under another piece of legislation, however, the government is being granted the right to suspend citizenship of any American if the Enemy Expatriation Act joins the ranks of the NDAA as an atrocious act approved by the president.

Obama sued over indefinite detention and torture of Americans act — RT

Well now that is a good thing

 

[theliq]

Tell me I am wrong tell me that when the bill voted on by the senate did not just strip Americans of their 4th 5th 6th and possibly 8th amendment away?

The bill does allow the executive branch to waive the authority based on national security and hold a suspect in civilian custody.
The legislation also would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens seized within the nation's borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., had sought an exception to the provision for U.S. citizens, but her effort failed, 55-45.

Senate approves $662 billion defense bill - Yahoo! News

All that awaits is obama signature. It could be a poly to give obama a chance to say look I vetoed a bill and protected your rights. He get's re-elected by a grateful nation and bam he strips those rights away after he has been re-elected.

What about when G W Busho,took away many of your freedoms after 9/11.

Selective MEMORY METHINKS.tl

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Tell me I am wrong tell me that when the bill voted on by the senate did not just strip Americans of their 4th 5th 6th and possibly 8th amendment away?

The bill does allow the executive branch to waive the authority based on national security and hold a suspect in civilian custody.
The legislation also would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens seized within the nation's borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., had sought an exception to the provision for U.S. citizens, but her effort failed, 55-45.

Senate approves $662 billion defense bill - Yahoo! News

All that awaits is obama signature. It could be a poly to give obama a chance to say look I vetoed a bill and protected your rights. He get's re-elected by a grateful nation and bam he strips those rights away after he has been re-elected.

What about when G W Busho,took away many of your freedoms after 9/11.

Selective MEMORY METHINKS.tl

you will never see me defend bush over what he did with the patriot act . Now Bush is gone, do you have something to say about the current president?

 

[theliq]

Tell me I am wrong tell me that when the bill voted on by the senate did not just strip Americans of their 4th 5th 6th and possibly 8th amendment away?


Senate approves $662 billion defense bill - Yahoo! News

All that awaits is obama signature. It could be a poly to give obama a chance to say look I vetoed a bill and protected your rights. He get's re-elected by a grateful nation and bam he strips those rights away after he has been re-elected.

What about when G W Busho,took away many of your freedoms after 9/11.

Selective MEMORY METHINKS.tl

you will never see me defend bush over what he did with the patriot act . Now Bush is gone, do you have something to say about the current president?

Hi bigrebnc,well as you may or may not know,obama is well thought of in Australia......but then we ain't in the USA.

Big,saying that,would the Repubs have done any better........considering the poison chalice Obama was presented with(you were becoming a basket case,you know,America that it).

The latest CROP of Repub Presidential Wannabees,give me NO confidence at all.......First Mitt is flavour of the month,then Paul and others,then Newt,then Mitt again,now Santorio (sic) no doubt Palin will push again!!!!!!!!!!!ITS ALL A BLOODY MESS........NO ONE STANDS OUT and I for one think they are all pretty pathetic......America needs a STATESMAN with NO BAGGAGE...FAT CHANCE.

I reckon Obama will get IN AGAIN....what do you think.....He is NOT worse that Bush as he and his possee we pretty bad,moreover moribund and indecisive towards the end.

You are in a much better position to tell ME,as we get pro Obama media here methinks.steve...tell me your thoughts.steve

 

[FA_Q2]

Tell me I am wrong tell me that when the bill voted on by the senate did not just strip Americans of their 4th 5th 6th and possibly 8th amendment away?

The bill does allow the executive branch to waive the authority based on national security and hold a suspect in civilian custody.
The legislation also would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens seized within the nation's borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., had sought an exception to the provision for U.S. citizens, but her effort failed, 55-45.

Senate approves $662 billion defense bill - Yahoo! News

All that awaits is obama signature. It could be a poly to give obama a chance to say look I vetoed a bill and protected your rights. He get's re-elected by a grateful nation and bam he strips those rights away after he has been re-elected.

What about when G W Busho,took away many of your freedoms after 9/11.

Selective MEMORY METHINKS.tl

And then Obama and the democrats resigned the bill and even expanded it. Your projecting that selective memory....

 

[Flaylo]

Tell me I am wrong tell me that when the bill voted on by the senate did not just strip Americans of their 4th 5th 6th and possibly 8th amendment away?

The bill does allow the executive branch to waive the authority based on national security and hold a suspect in civilian custody.
The legislation also would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens seized within the nation's borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., had sought an exception to the provision for U.S. citizens, but her effort failed, 55-45.

Senate approves $662 billion defense bill - Yahoo! News

All that awaits is obama signature. It could be a poly to give obama a chance to say look I vetoed a bill and protected your rights. He get's re-elected by a grateful nation and bam he strips those rights away after he has been re-elected.

What about the Repugs that also voted for it, will you hold them to the same standard that you hold Obama or is it blame all on Barry O?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Tell me I am wrong tell me that when the bill voted on by the senate did not just strip Americans of their 4th 5th 6th and possibly 8th amendment away?

The bill does allow the executive branch to waive the authority based on national security and hold a suspect in civilian custody.
The legislation also would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens seized within the nation's borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., had sought an exception to the provision for U.S. citizens, but her effort failed, 55-45.

Senate approves $662 billion defense bill - Yahoo! News

All that awaits is obama signature. It could be a poly to give obama a chance to say look I vetoed a bill and protected your rights. He get's re-elected by a grateful nation and bam he strips those rights away after he has been re-elected.

What about the Repugs that also voted for it, will you hold them to the same standard that you hold Obama or is it blame all on Barry O?

You are a flaming idiot. People like you are the reason America is so fucked you Did you happen to notice the date of the thread? The law had not yet been signed by obama, did you see where I mentioned obama in the OP? Last time I checked there were Republicans in the Senate. Damn don't you feel stupid now?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What about when G W Busho,took away many of your freedoms after 9/11.

Selective MEMORY METHINKS.tl

you will never see me defend bush over what he did with the patriot act . Now Bush is gone, do you have something to say about the current president?

Hi bigrebnc,well as you may or may not know,obama is well thought of in Australia......but then we ain't in the USA.

Big,saying that,would the Repubs have done any better........considering the poison chalice Obama was presented with(you were becoming a basket case,you know,America that it).

The latest CROP of Repub Presidential Wannabees,give me NO confidence at all.......First Mitt is flavour of the month,then Paul and others,then Newt,then Mitt again,now Santorio (sic) no doubt Palin will push again!!!!!!!!!!!ITS ALL A BLOODY MESS........NO ONE STANDS OUT and I for one think they are all pretty pathetic......America needs a STATESMAN with NO BAGGAGE...FAT CHANCE.

I reckon Obama will get IN AGAIN....what do you think.....He is NOT worse that Bush as he and his possee we pretty bad,moreover moribund and indecisive towards the end.

You are in a much better position to tell ME,as we get pro Obama media here methinks.steve...tell me your thoughts.steve

Hi bigrebnc,well as you may or may not know,obama is well thought of in Australia......but then we ain't in the USA.

YOU CAN HAVE HIM. He can be your president.

Big,saying that,would the Repubs have done any better........considering the poison chalice Obama was presented with(you were becoming a basket case,you know,America that it)

Hell you can have them two . All it will cost you is what little freedoms you have in the name of safety. Thats a very small price too pay. Do we have a deal?

The latest CROP of Repub Presidential Wannabees,give me NO confidence at all.......First Mitt is flavour of the month,then Paul and others,then Newt,then Mitt again,now Santorio (sic) no doubt Palin will push again!!!!!!!!!!!ITS ALL A BLOODY MESS........NO ONE STANDS OUT and I for one think they are all pretty pathetic......America needs a STATESMAN with NO BAGGAGE...FAT CHANCE.

As I said you can have them all so. make sure that if you are very wealthy that you hide your money.

You are in a much better position to tell ME,as we get pro Obama media here methinks.steve...tell me your thoughts.

Don't believe the bull shit you get obama sucks as a president he does not bring America together he has divided America more than at any other time in our history. The change he talked about was not the change people thought was coming.

 

[pete]

Obama already made a statement saying he would veto this bill no matter what if it contained that in it.

He has said a shit load ... all not truths so why believe him now?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Obama already made a statement saying he would veto this bill no matter what if it contained that in it.

He has said a shit load ... all not truths so why believe him now?

Pete he's already signed every body knows that he lied.

 

[Full-Auto]

Obama sued over indefinite detention and torture of Americans act

17 January, 2012, 02:28

US President Barack Obama is the target of a suit filed by Pulitzer Prize-winner Hedges, and the reasoning seems more than obvious to him. The decision to take the commander-in-chief to court comes as a response to President Obama’s December 31 signing of the National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA, a legislation that allows the US military to detain American citizens indefinitely at off-site torture prisons like Guantanamo Bay.

Obama amended the NDAA with a signing statement on New Year's Eve, insisting that while the Act does indeed give him the power to detain his own citizens indefinitely without charge, that doesn’t mean he will do so. Specifically, Obama wrote that his administration “will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens.” Under another piece of legislation, however, the government is being granted the right to suspend citizenship of any American if the Enemy Expatriation Act joins the ranks of the NDAA as an atrocious act approved by the president.

Obama sued over indefinite detention and torture of Americans act — RT

Well now that is a good thing

Nothing but lip service, dont be fooled.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Obama sued over indefinite detention and torture of Americans act

17 January, 2012, 02:28

US President Barack Obama is the target of a suit filed by Pulitzer Prize-winner Hedges, and the reasoning seems more than obvious to him. The decision to take the commander-in-chief to court comes as a response to President Obama’s December 31 signing of the National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA, a legislation that allows the US military to detain American citizens indefinitely at off-site torture prisons like Guantanamo Bay.

Obama amended the NDAA with a signing statement on New Year's Eve, insisting that while the Act does indeed give him the power to detain his own citizens indefinitely without charge, that doesn’t mean he will do so. Specifically, Obama wrote that his administration “will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens.” Under another piece of legislation, however, the government is being granted the right to suspend citizenship of any American if the Enemy Expatriation Act joins the ranks of the NDAA as an atrocious act approved by the president.

Obama sued over indefinite detention and torture of Americans act — RT

Well now that is a good thing

Nothing but lip service, dont be fooled.

I know it will go through the process to make it look legal, chances are the one who is suing obama is an obama stooge, putting on a front for the papers. In the end it will stay as it.

 

[katsung47]

Washington Republicans want to repeal NDAA
By The Stranger February 3, 2012

Reps. Jason Overstreet, Matt Shea, Vincent Buys, Cary Condotta and David Taylor, all Republicans, have introduced HB 2759, or the Washington State Preservation of Liberty Act. With the bill, the lawmakers aim to tackle the NDAA provisions that make American citizens on par with al-Qaeda terrorists in terms of making anyone in the US eligible for stay at the Guantanamo Bay military prison.

» Washington Republicans want to repeal NDAA Mutiny Radio

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Washington Republicans want to repeal NDAA
By The Stranger February 3, 2012

Reps. Jason Overstreet, Matt Shea, Vincent Buys, Cary Condotta and David Taylor, all Republicans, have introduced HB 2759, or the Washington State Preservation of Liberty Act. With the bill, the lawmakers aim to tackle the NDAA provisions that make American citizens on par with al-Qaeda terrorists in terms of making anyone in the US eligible for stay at the Guantanamo Bay military prison.

» Washington Republicans want to repeal NDAA Mutiny Radio

That's a bunch of bullshit. If they want it repealed why did they support it to begin with?

 

[g5000]

Washington Republicans want to repeal NDAA
By The Stranger February 3, 2012

Reps. Jason Overstreet, Matt Shea, Vincent Buys, Cary Condotta and David Taylor, all Republicans, have introduced HB 2759, or the Washington State Preservation of Liberty Act. With the bill, the lawmakers aim to tackle the NDAA provisions that make American citizens on par with al-Qaeda terrorists in terms of making anyone in the US eligible for stay at the Guantanamo Bay military prison.

» Washington Republicans want to repeal NDAA Mutiny Radio

That's a bunch of bullshit. If they want it repealed why did they support it to begin with?

What are you talking about?

These are Republicans in the state of Washington. Do you have a record of their YEA vote on the NDAA, or something?