You Reap What You Sow

[theHawk]

The government doing things for the people

What a concept

Yea, especially when they start taking away rights, for “the good of the people”.

Especially when your “rights” affect other people

Like your right to prevent blacks and whites or gays from marrying

Who is preventing blacks, whites, or gays from getting married?

 

[gipper]

The government doing things for the people

What a concept

Gee,someone on this board who doesn't know the definition of Socialism

The US is not close to being socialist
But get accused of it every time we do things for the public

Government helping business is Patriotism
Government helping people is Socialism

The US is socialist for the .1%. BO and W made that happen, in a big way. The rest are on our own.

 

[DGS49]

So "young people" are too young to remember the Soviet Union or East Germany, and are oblivious to shit holes like Cuba, North Korea, and now Venezuela, which were wealthy countries, now brought low by socialism. And say they are too dim-witted to recognize that what they think of as "Socialism" in Scandanavia and Western Europe is actually successful capitalism, now strangled by socialist initiatives.

I wonder if they might have the insight to recognize the massive harm done to the country and now, its taxpayers, by the socialist idiocy known as UNIONS. In the private sector, they have destroyed every competitive industry where they heretofore prevailed, and in the industries where it is possible to compare union vs, non-union, non-union firms kick the unions' ass (autos, steel, construction).

And in the public sector, they have managed to essentially bankrupt every entity where they are allowed, except that in the public sector bankruptcy doesn't lead to death, but rather, higher taxes.

Socialism sucks. Everywhere and always. But sometimes it can look good. For a time.

Not to mention the fact that it is immoral. It takes money from some people at tne point of a gun, and gives it to others. Theft is evil.

 

[bullwinkle]

So "young people" are too young to remember the Soviet Union or East Germany, and are oblivious to shit holes like Cuba, North Korea, and now Venezuela, which were wealthy countries, now brought low by socialism. And say they are too dim-witted to recognize that what they think of as "Socialism" in Scandanavia and Western Europe is actually successful capitalism, now strangled by socialist initiatives.

I wonder if they might have the insight to recognize the massive harm done to the country and now, its taxpayers, by the socialist idiocy known as UNIONS. In the private sector, they have destroyed every competitive industry where they heretofore prevailed, and in the industries where it is possible to compare union vs, non-union, non-union firms kick the unions' ass (autos, steel, construction).

And in the public sector, they have managed to essentially bankrupt every entity where they are allowed, except that in the public sector bankruptcy doesn't lead to death, but rather, higher taxes.

Socialism sucks. Everywhere and always. But sometimes it can look good. For a time.

Not to mention the fact that it is immoral. It takes money from some people at tne point of a gun, and gives it to others. Theft is evil.

Bullcrap, especially the part about unions. And you are diluting the meaning of socialism the way Rudy Giuilliani turned 911 into a joke by referring to it in every sentence he spoke for years.

 

[DGS49]

Yes, you right about "Socialism." But I'm only using it as Bernie and AOC use it. As for UNIONS, they ARE a form of socialism. Look at the history of the union movement in this country. Prior to WWII, union promoters openly declared themselved communists and socialists. All union workers are treated exactly the same...same pay, benefits, hours, and working conditions, regardless of productivity or contribution to the enterprise. That is definitional socialism.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So "young people" are too young to remember the Soviet Union or East Germany, and are oblivious to shit holes like Cuba, North Korea, and now Venezuela, which were wealthy countries, now brought low by socialism. And say they are too dim-witted to recognize that what they think of as "Socialism" in Scandanavia and Western Europe is actually successful capitalism, now strangled by socialist initiatives.

I wonder if they might have the insight to recognize the massive harm done to the country and now, its taxpayers, by the socialist idiocy known as UNIONS. In the private sector, they have destroyed every competitive industry where they heretofore prevailed, and in the industries where it is possible to compare union vs, non-union, non-union firms kick the unions' ass (autos, steel, construction).

And in the public sector, they have managed to essentially bankrupt every entity where they are allowed, except that in the public sector bankruptcy doesn't lead to death, but rather, higher taxes.

Socialism sucks. Everywhere and always. But sometimes it can look good. For a time.

Not to mention the fact that it is immoral. It takes money from some people at tne point of a gun, and gives it to others. Theft is evil.

You really are confused! Socialists deplore unions! They organized the people against the government! It was unions that led to freedom in Poland and other eastern European countries,

 

[Slade3200]

The government doing things for the people

What a concept

Governments have been starving and killing people for ages. Why should we be more like them?

I’m not a supporter of socialism but you are dead wrong if you think the type of socialism being talked about in this country is a thing like the authoritarian regimes of the past or even Venezuela. Our government is a democracy with a system of checks and balances. Very different than what I hear many on the right using for comparisons.

 

[Slade3200]

They're not afraid of the word any more.

If this concerns the GOP, they'll need to come up with a good, reasonable, calm argument.

They already have. No socialism. Spare me Mac. So aoc comes up with a reasonable calm argument. The world will end in 12 years and we need to pay people who refuse to work. Do you even understand how irrational your statements are?

I dont agree with many of her views, I see them as overly idealistic and not really practical, but I do agree with her on some things. Tucker Carlson does as well, he did a segment about it last night and share many of the same sentiments as she regarding automation. A form of socialism is inevitable with the development of robots. When we have machines taking ove millions of low wage labor jobs we are going to face problems we haven’t seen in our lifetimes. Over productions do mass accumulation of wealth by the business owners and rapid unemployment/povertyfrom the lower class . We need to be ready to adjust and transition as this new wave hits us. Think about it for a bit before reacting.

 

[bullwinkle]

Yes, you right about "Socialism." But I'm only using it as Bernie and AOC use it. As for UNIONS, they ARE a form of socialism. Look at the history of the union movement in this country. Prior to WWII, union promoters openly declared themselved communists and socialists. All union workers are treated exactly the same...same pay, benefits, hours, and working conditions, regardless of productivity or contribution to the enterprise. That is definitional socialism.

DGS49, I believe you are wrong. For clarity, I am strongly a union supporter even though I've never belonged to one. But being the child and grandchild of 'sit-downers', I know the value of unions. However, I will never believe the Reuther brothers or even Lech Wallesa were favoring communism when they molded a counter-force to the iron fist of ownership that could threaten and fire by whim to keep employees malleable. Individuals are helpless, but groups can make things happen. And my point is that even though I've never been a member, I've had jobs in union towns that benefit from the success of unions, in terms of pay scales and benefits offered just to keep unions out of the retailing business, for example. I believe you are also wrong about pay scales by job classification, and obviously have no idea about safe working conditions before unions. There is no doubt in my mind that you have benefited

 

[Shrimpbox]

They're not afraid of the word any more.

If this concerns the GOP, they'll need to come up with a good, reasonable, calm argument.

They already have. No socialism. Spare me Mac. So aoc comes up with a reasonable calm argument. The world will end in 12 years and we need to pay people who refuse to work. Do you even understand how irrational your statements are?

I dont agree with many of her views, I see them as overly idealistic and not really practical, but I do agree with her on some things. Tucker Carlson does as well, he did a segment about it last night and share many of the same sentiments as she regarding automation. A form of socialism is inevitable with the development of robots. When we have machines taking ove millions of low wage labor jobs we are going to face problems we haven’t seen in our lifetimes. Over productions do mass accumulation of wealth by the business owners and rapid unemployment/povertyfrom the lower class . We need to be ready to adjust and transition as this new wave hits us. Think about it for a bit before reacting.

Ok, I’ve thought about it as I always do. Cortez is ignorant, I am sorry but that is just a fact. As with almost everyone on the left she would fade fast in a face to face debate with a conservative. Ben Shapiro has challenged her to a debate but she knows she is out classed and it will never happen. What seems to always be an undercurrent is that anyone who disagrees with her does not share her goals of making the earth cleaner and greener. She is full of unicorns and rainbows and is fully supported by the msm. Sexy, photogenic, young and passionate but entirely clueless. Liberals will say why can’t we be bold, reach for the stars, land on the moon.

I am all for the positivity, but I am also for reality and common sense. No one sees the move towards a cleaner planet that is happening every day, just the natural gas revolution is one. The us is also reducing its pollution footprint. We can get there but not by following a person whose latest job was bar tending. Enough about her

Robots. I don’t know what you do for a living but I don’t know any trades that are going to be completely taken over by robots. This scare tactic is the same as y2k, global warming, or climate change. None of the dire predictions have come true. The more robots you have the more people you will need to service the robots or to make the robots. On top of that, humans will continue to be cheaper than machines in activities that are not rote repetitiveness. Think about how long you had to wait at the grocery store when the computer went down at the checkout counter. Our dilemma is the total dumbing down of education which leads people to uncreative and depressing conclusions about the future. Robots might actually work towards more individuals having more freedom to pursue more productive work. Think about the lawn care industry. It hardly existed 50 years ago and now it is a massive industry with a low bar for entry. Right now with all our technology there are hundreds of thousands of good paying jobs going begging. Guaranteed income, legalized pot, legalized prostitution, free phones, free medical is just the bread and circus of the 21st century. You could say we have some forms of socialism now, and we do, but socialism is not inevitable, it’s just the default position of people mesmerized by the msm and social media.

 

[DGS49]

UNIONS: There are some RARE circumstances where unions are appropriate and beneficial; ALL are in the private sector. Unions in the public sector facilitate theft from the taxpayers, and are an abomination.

Those of us who were awake during the 70's and 80's saw how unions made their industries totally uncompetitive in the world marketplace. Massive job losses were the inevitable result, because unions refused to restructure compensation and benefits, and eliminate featherbedding and other counterproductive work practices. They blamed it on foreign employers paying pennies on the dollar, but then a funny thing happened. NUCOR proved that a steel company could pay good wages and benefits and still make a profit, while USW companies were dying on the vine. Then Toyota, Nissan, Honda and others proved the same thing in the ajto industry while UAW companies basically all went bankrupt. What is the main difference between the successful companies and the failures? Unions.

While i have great respect for construction craft unions, labor and unskilled unions inflate costs with no real benefit. If it were not for government "prevailing wage" laws, organized construction companies would all be out of business.

And like it or not, unions are a manifestation of socialism in the workplace. They discourage excellence and productivity, defend the indefensible, and pay everyone the same, regardless of value.

 

[Dragonlady]

The government doing things for the people

What a concept

Governments have been starving and killing people for ages. Why should we be more like them?

Agreed, the Republicans have supported this shit since Reagan, and continue to do so, but Democrats are trying to end that with higher wages and Medicaid for all.

 

[rightwinger]

The government doing things for the people

What a concept

Big govt is regressive. You are a regressive.

We want the right sized government

As determined by We the People

 

[rightwinger]

UNIONS: There are some RARE circumstances where unions are appropriate and beneficial; ALL are in the private sector. Unions in the public sector facilitate theft from the taxpayers, and are an abomination.

Those of us who were awake during the 70's and 80's saw how unions made their industries totally uncompetitive in the world marketplace. Massive job losses were the inevitable result, because unions refused to restructure compensation and benefits, and eliminate featherbedding and other counterproductive work practices. They blamed it on foreign employers paying pennies on the dollar, but then a funny thing happened. NUCOR proved that a steel company could pay good wages and benefits and still make a profit, while USW companies were dying on the vine. Then Toyota, Nissan, Honda and others proved the same thing in the ajto industry while UAW companies basically all went bankrupt. What is the main difference between the successful companies and the failures? Unions.

While i have great respect for construction craft unions, labor and unskilled unions inflate costs with no real benefit. If it were not for government "prevailing wage" laws, organized construction companies would all be out of business.

And like it or not, unions are a manifestation of socialism in the workplace. They discourage excellence and productivity, defend the indefensible, and pay everyone the same, regardless of value.

Collective bargaining is a right of all

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The government doing things for the people

What a concept

Governments have been starving and killing people for ages. Why should we be more like them?

Agreed, the Republicans have supported this shit since Reagan, and continue to do so, but Democrats are trying to end that with higher wages and Medicaid for all.

Really? How well did Democrats do that in Vietnam? Korea? WWII? WWI?