You Go! Lakotas

[Silhouette]

The Lakota tribes are organizing to keep the sludge and accidents out of their watersheds

Members from the seven tribes of the Lakota Nation, along with tribal members and tribes in Idaho, Oklahoma, Montana, Nebraska and Oregon, have been preparing to stop construction of the 1,400 kilometre pipeline which is slated to run, on the U.S. side, from Morgan, Mon., to Steel City, Neb., and pump 830,000 barrels per day from Alberta’s tar sands. The pipeline would originate in Hardisty, Alta.
“It poses a threat to our sacred water and the product is coming from the tar sands and our tribes oppose the tar sands mining,” said Deborah White Plume, of the Oglala Sioux Tribe, which is part of the Lakota Nation in South Dakota. “All of our tribes have taken action to oppose the Keystone XL pipeline.” Keystone XL black snake pipeline to face epic opposition from Native American alliance APTN National News

OK so these guys are my homies. Grandpa was either 1/2 or 1/4 Lakota. Mid 1800s, great grandma who was a stunning beauty living in the upper prarie states as a settler at the time with hubby, either was "taken" by Lakota raiders and chose to tell her husband the baby was his, to keep him from fighting them [and getting killed] or great-grandma was getting busy in the corn field with a handsome warrior while hubby was away on business.

In either case, of all her four (the other three were lily-white like both my great grandparents) children she pulled my grandpa, olive skinned, high cheekbones, zero body hair (could only grow a very scant mustache) aside and told him he must never touch a drop of alcohol. She made him promise on her grave. And he never would. The wine caraffe would go around the table and he would always pass. My mother used to tease him about it all the time

Anyway, that makes me either 1/8 or 1/16th Lakota. One of my grandfather's traits was a very quiet and fierce stubborness. To me that was the Lakota in him. I found it funny when I saw a Lakota guy being interviewed recently. The interviewer was all "So when you say you're going to stop the pipeline, what exactly do you have in mind". The Lakota man sort of coughed and giggled a little.. I was thinking at the time, "oh, revenge in a thousand paper cuts for about 300 years +/- for capitalists wreaking havoc on the plains tribes and continuing to regard America's first people as jokes, non-entities."

I have a feeling that unlike other promises to draw a line in the sand, or tar sands as the case is, this line the Lakotas will actually back up with action. Like it or not. There has to be someone, somewhere who grows a spine about all this fracking and benzene entering our water supplies on the surface and underground. It is sheer idiocy. I hope the buck stops with the Lakotas.

They use benzene to thin the oil so it flows more easily in the pipe. It just happens to be super carcinogenic. The Canadian operations are an ecological nightmare. I know that industry wants energy to be tricky, hard to get at and locked down therefore in monopolies where only the rich can afford to produce energy. But their time has come and gone. Why not spend that money instead lobbying Congress to allow singular possession of solar thermal steam cogeneration patents and facilities for an extended time? And to be allowed to charge the same rates as if you were burning fossil fuels? Lower overhead equals more profits. Cash in, set your grandchildren up with wealth and leave our frigging water & air supplies alone!

For every day the sun shines in a cogeneration plant with natural gas or some other source, you don't spend on fuel, but you charge the same rates. A retarded chimp could do that math..

 

[Silhouette]

Here's how to make a ton of money using a fraction of the costs of a pipeline in just lobbying money... This ain't your grandma's solar energy. Nor is it the same as Solyndra's inefficient (designed that way on purpose to fail and make solar thermal look bad..courtesy of you know who...) circular 1,000 miles away from the boiler joke design.. This is LINEAR near-source solar thermal. You can improve efficiency if each mirror was concave/parabolic. I think they just don't want to fry the boiler tube.

Increases in boiler tube resistance to harm from the heat source like a cutting torch, might really increase the efficiency of this system to unbelievable amounts of power in a smaller area..

 

[healthmyths]

The Lakota tribes are organizing to keep the sludge and accidents out of their watersheds

Members from the seven tribes of the Lakota Nation, along with tribal members and tribes in Idaho, Oklahoma, Montana, Nebraska and Oregon, have been preparing to stop construction of the 1,400 kilometre pipeline which is slated to run, on the U.S. side, from Morgan, Mon., to Steel City, Neb., and pump 830,000 barrels per day from Alberta’s tar sands. The pipeline would originate in Hardisty, Alta.
“It poses a threat to our sacred water and the product is coming from the tar sands and our tribes oppose the tar sands mining,” said Deborah White Plume, of the Oglala Sioux Tribe, which is part of the Lakota Nation in South Dakota. “All of our tribes have taken action to oppose the Keystone XL pipeline.” Keystone XL black snake pipeline to face epic opposition from Native American alliance APTN National News

OK so these guys are my homies. Grandpa was either 1/2 or 1/4 Lakota. Mid 1800s, great grandma who was a stunning beauty living in the upper prarie states as a settler at the time with hubby, either was "taken" by Lakota raiders and chose to tell her husband the baby was his, to keep him from fighting them [and getting killed] or great-grandma was getting busy in the corn field with a handsome warrior while hubby was away on business.

In either case, of all her four (the other three were lily-white like both my great grandparents) children she pulled my grandpa, olive skinned, high cheekbones, zero body hair (could only grow a very scant mustache) aside and told him he must never touch a drop of alcohol. She made him promise on her grave. And he never would. The wine caraffe would go around the table and he would always pass. My mother used to tease him about it all the time

Anyway, that makes me either 1/8 or 1/16th Lakota. One of my grandfather's traits was a very quiet and fierce stubborness. To me that was the Lakota in him. I found it funny when I saw a Lakota guy being interviewed recently. The interviewer was all "So when you say you're going to stop the pipeline, what exactly do you have in mind". The Lakota man sort of coughed and giggled a little.. I was thinking at the time, "oh, revenge in a thousand paper cuts for about 300 years +/- for capitalists wreaking havoc on the plains tribes and continuing to regard America's first people as jokes, non-entities."

I have a feeling that unlike other promises to draw a line in the sand, or tar sands as the case is, this line the Lakotas will actually back up with action. Like it or not. There has to be someone, somewhere who grows a spine about all this fracking and benzene entering our water supplies on the surface and underground. It is sheer idiocy. I hope the buck stops with the Lakotas.

They use benzene to thin the oil so it flows more easily in the pipe. It just happens to be super carcinogenic. The Canadian operations are an ecological nightmare. I know that industry wants energy to be tricky, hard to get at and locked down therefore in monopolies where only the rich can afford to produce energy. But their time has come and gone. Why not spend that money instead lobbying Congress to allow singular possession of solar thermal steam cogeneration patents and facilities for an extended time? And to be allowed to charge the same rates as if you were burning fossil fuels? Lower overhead equals more profits. Cash in, set your grandchildren up with wealth and leave our frigging water & air supplies alone!

For every day the sun shines in a cogeneration plant with natural gas or some other source, you don't spend on fuel, but you charge the same rates. A retarded chimp could do that math..

Marvelous hunters they were "before horses" introduced by the BAD EVIL WHITE MAN!!!
Sometimes the tribe forced a herd to buffalo jump." Most animals died in the fall.
Buffalo of South Dakota Unit 3 Lesson 2

 

[martybegan]

So there are zero pipelines out there right now?

and of course they will stop using all oil and natural gas RIGHT NOW.

 

[whitehall]

Thanks Indians. Let them pollute the oceans with fragile oil tankers instead of building safer pipelines. Meanwhile keep building all those energy eating gambling casinos to pick the pockets of the evil white man.

 

[westwall]

Yeeeeeeaaaah, the reality of solar is not what you would have us believe. Wherever solar is scaled up it fails. I love solar for off grid homes and in that arena it works pretty well. But scaled up as a power source for a fossil fuel powered grid it simply falls apart.



"Whether scorched birds are a major issue at the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System in California is a matter of dispute. But the “power tower” solar plant and its owners -- NRG Energy, Google and BrightSource Energy -- might have an even more fundamental problem on their hands: generating adequate electricity.
The Mojave Desert plant, built with the aid of a $1.6 billion federal loan guarantee, kicked off commercial operation at the tail end of December 2013, and for the eight-month period from January through August, its three units generated 254,263 megawatt-hours of electricity, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration data. That’s roughly one-quarter of the annual 1 million-plus megawatt-hours that had been anticipated."


More Problems for CSP Ivanpah Solar Plant Falling Short of Expected Electricity Production Greentech Media

 

[RandallFlagg]

Indeed. There are (something like) a million miles of pipeline across this country. Suddenly - we are concerned about a thousand more miles - and thousands of jobs.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Yeeeeeeaaaah, the reality of solar is not what you would have us believe. Wherever solar is scaled up it fails. I love solar for off grid homes and in that arena it works pretty well. But scaled up as a power source for a fossil fuel powered grid it simply falls apart.



"Whether scorched birds are a major issue at the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System in California is a matter of dispute. But the “power tower” solar plant and its owners -- NRG Energy, Google and BrightSource Energy -- might have an even more fundamental problem on their hands: generating adequate electricity.
The Mojave Desert plant, built with the aid of a $1.6 billion federal loan guarantee, kicked off commercial operation at the tail end of December 2013, and for the eight-month period from January through August, its three units generated 254,263 megawatt-hours of electricity, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration data. That’s roughly one-quarter of the annual 1 million-plus megawatt-hours that had been anticipated."


More Problems for CSP Ivanpah Solar Plant Falling Short of Expected Electricity Production Greentech Media

I recently traveled south, through Wyoming, Colorado through Arizona and over to San Diego. Those damned wind turbines are everywhere. They are a blight on what was once a beautiful landscape. Absolutely horrible to look at.

 

[Silhouette]

Compared to a nuclear plant ( of which there should be zero on earth), here is how easy it is to install a solar thermal adjunct to an existing carbon facility to cogenerate (make a ton of money in near pure profits during times when the sun is shining.)

 

[TooTall]

The Lakota tribes are organizing to keep the sludge and accidents out of their watersheds

Members from the seven tribes of the Lakota Nation, along with tribal members and tribes in Idaho, Oklahoma, Montana, Nebraska and Oregon, have been preparing to stop construction of the 1,400 kilometre pipeline which is slated to run, on the U.S. side, from Morgan, Mon., to Steel City, Neb., and pump 830,000 barrels per day from Alberta’s tar sands. The pipeline would originate in Hardisty, Alta.
“It poses a threat to our sacred water and the product is coming from the tar sands and our tribes oppose the tar sands mining,” said Deborah White Plume, of the Oglala Sioux Tribe, which is part of the Lakota Nation in South Dakota. “All of our tribes have taken action to oppose the Keystone XL pipeline.” Keystone XL black snake pipeline to face epic opposition from Native American alliance APTN National News

OK so these guys are my homies. Grandpa was either 1/2 or 1/4 Lakota. Mid 1800s, great grandma who was a stunning beauty living in the upper prarie states as a settler at the time with hubby, either was "taken" by Lakota raiders and chose to tell her husband the baby was his, to keep him from fighting them [and getting killed] or great-grandma was getting busy in the corn field with a handsome warrior while hubby was away on business.

In either case, of all her four (the other three were lily-white like both my great grandparents) children she pulled my grandpa, olive skinned, high cheekbones, zero body hair (could only grow a very scant mustache) aside and told him he must never touch a drop of alcohol. She made him promise on her grave. And he never would. The wine caraffe would go around the table and he would always pass. My mother used to tease him about it all the time

Anyway, that makes me either 1/8 or 1/16th Lakota. One of my grandfather's traits was a very quiet and fierce stubborness. To me that was the Lakota in him. I found it funny when I saw a Lakota guy being interviewed recently. The interviewer was all "So when you say you're going to stop the pipeline, what exactly do you have in mind". The Lakota man sort of coughed and giggled a little.. I was thinking at the time, "oh, revenge in a thousand paper cuts for about 300 years +/- for capitalists wreaking havoc on the plains tribes and continuing to regard America's first people as jokes, non-entities."

I have a feeling that unlike other promises to draw a line in the sand, or tar sands as the case is, this line the Lakotas will actually back up with action. Like it or not. There has to be someone, somewhere who grows a spine about all this fracking and benzene entering our water supplies on the surface and underground. It is sheer idiocy. I hope the buck stops with the Lakotas.

They use benzene to thin the oil so it flows more easily in the pipe. It just happens to be super carcinogenic. The Canadian operations are an ecological nightmare. I know that industry wants energy to be tricky, hard to get at and locked down therefore in monopolies where only the rich can afford to produce energy. But their time has come and gone. Why not spend that money instead lobbying Congress to allow singular possession of solar thermal steam cogeneration patents and facilities for an extended time? And to be allowed to charge the same rates as if you were burning fossil fuels? Lower overhead equals more profits. Cash in, set your grandchildren up with wealth and leave our frigging water & air supplies alone!

For every day the sun shines in a cogeneration plant with natural gas or some other source, you don't spend on fuel, but you charge the same rates. A retarded chimp could do that math..

I am really disappointed in anyone that opposes the 42% decrease in harmful emissions that would take place with the pipeline rather than moving it by rail and truck. What happened to the global warming crowd? This oil will be produced and
transported with or without the pipeline.

 

[RandallFlagg]

The Lakota tribes are organizing to keep the sludge and accidents out of their watersheds

Members from the seven tribes of the Lakota Nation, along with tribal members and tribes in Idaho, Oklahoma, Montana, Nebraska and Oregon, have been preparing to stop construction of the 1,400 kilometre pipeline which is slated to run, on the U.S. side, from Morgan, Mon., to Steel City, Neb., and pump 830,000 barrels per day from Alberta’s tar sands. The pipeline would originate in Hardisty, Alta.
“It poses a threat to our sacred water and the product is coming from the tar sands and our tribes oppose the tar sands mining,” said Deborah White Plume, of the Oglala Sioux Tribe, which is part of the Lakota Nation in South Dakota. “All of our tribes have taken action to oppose the Keystone XL pipeline.” Keystone XL black snake pipeline to face epic opposition from Native American alliance APTN National News

OK so these guys are my homies. Grandpa was either 1/2 or 1/4 Lakota. Mid 1800s, great grandma who was a stunning beauty living in the upper prarie states as a settler at the time with hubby, either was "taken" by Lakota raiders and chose to tell her husband the baby was his, to keep him from fighting them [and getting killed] or great-grandma was getting busy in the corn field with a handsome warrior while hubby was away on business.

In either case, of all her four (the other three were lily-white like both my great grandparents) children she pulled my grandpa, olive skinned, high cheekbones, zero body hair (could only grow a very scant mustache) aside and told him he must never touch a drop of alcohol. She made him promise on her grave. And he never would. The wine caraffe would go around the table and he would always pass. My mother used to tease him about it all the time

Anyway, that makes me either 1/8 or 1/16th Lakota. One of my grandfather's traits was a very quiet and fierce stubborness. To me that was the Lakota in him. I found it funny when I saw a Lakota guy being interviewed recently. The interviewer was all "So when you say you're going to stop the pipeline, what exactly do you have in mind". The Lakota man sort of coughed and giggled a little.. I was thinking at the time, "oh, revenge in a thousand paper cuts for about 300 years +/- for capitalists wreaking havoc on the plains tribes and continuing to regard America's first people as jokes, non-entities."

I have a feeling that unlike other promises to draw a line in the sand, or tar sands as the case is, this line the Lakotas will actually back up with action. Like it or not. There has to be someone, somewhere who grows a spine about all this fracking and benzene entering our water supplies on the surface and underground. It is sheer idiocy. I hope the buck stops with the Lakotas.

They use benzene to thin the oil so it flows more easily in the pipe. It just happens to be super carcinogenic. The Canadian operations are an ecological nightmare. I know that industry wants energy to be tricky, hard to get at and locked down therefore in monopolies where only the rich can afford to produce energy. But their time has come and gone. Why not spend that money instead lobbying Congress to allow singular possession of solar thermal steam cogeneration patents and facilities for an extended time? And to be allowed to charge the same rates as if you were burning fossil fuels? Lower overhead equals more profits. Cash in, set your grandchildren up with wealth and leave our frigging water & air supplies alone!

For every day the sun shines in a cogeneration plant with natural gas or some other source, you don't spend on fuel, but you charge the same rates. A retarded chimp could do that math..

I am really disappointed in anyone that opposes the 42% decrease in harmful emissions that would take place with the pipeline rather than moving it by rail and truck. What happened to the global warming crowd? This oil will be produced and
transported with or without the pipeline.

Unless - and until it makes Al Gore more money - the global warming crowd couldn't care less. When it enables Gore to buy another jet - they'll suddenly reappear.

 

[Silhouette]

Marvelous hunters they were "before horses" introduced by the BAD EVIL WHITE MAN!!!
Sometimes the tribe forced a herd to buffalo jump." Most animals died in the fall.

Never said they were perfect angels. They were just here first. They held to the treaties. The capitalists didn't and still don't.

 

[westwall]

Compared to a nuclear plant ( of which there should be zero on earth), here is how easy it is to install a solar thermal adjunct to an existing carbon facility to cogenerate (make a ton of money in near pure profits during times when the sun is shining.)

Yeah. It's a shame they are total wastes of money. They install really easy but they don't work as advertised and kill thousands of birds. More birds than Big OIL has in over a century of existence. You should be so proud of yourself. Then add in the carnage from the wind turbines and your Lakota grandfather is nocking an arrow to shoot up your incredibly ignorant butt.

 

[Stephanie]

Well, nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your face. so they don't care to have jobs for the people they Represent either. Just like Democrats

go figure

snip:
Estimates for job creation statistics for the Trans-Alaska Pipeline’s construction continued to fluctuate from the time it was first planned until the labor was set. In March of 1973, Alyeska estimated that the pipeline would employ 26,000 people in construction jobs. These numbers were later dropped significantly to 18,000 construction jobs in October 1973. By January of 1974, once union contracts for the labor had been negotiated, Alyeska estimated that “perhaps 13,000” jobs would be created, “at its peak.” During the summer of 1974, when initial work on the pipeline was just getting started, the labor force was estimated to grow to more than 14,000 workers by the following spring, when the pipe-laying would begin. When the company began hiring in earnest in March 1975, they estimated that between 14,000 and 18,000 workers would be required that summer. The chart below shows the fluctuations in job predictions for construction workers preceding hiring

all of it here:
Pipe Dreams How Many Jobs Will Be Created By Keystone XL - Forbes

 

[martybegan]

Compared to a nuclear plant ( of which there should be zero on earth), here is how easy it is to install a solar thermal adjunct to an existing carbon facility to cogenerate (make a ton of money in near pure profits during times when the sun is shining.)

Anyone who is even remotely serious about AGW should realize that nuclear power is needed for baseline grind stability. Your luddite fear of nuclear power confirms that you are an alarmist, and nothing more.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Marvelous hunters they were "before horses" introduced by the BAD EVIL WHITE MAN!!!
Sometimes the tribe forced a herd to buffalo jump." Most animals died in the fall.

Never said they were perfect angels. They were just here first. They held to the treaties. The capitalists didn't and still don't.

So what EXACTLY is this about? Energy or pissed off about native americans? Native Eskimos receive checks each year for tens of thousands of dollars for the use of their oil fields. Oil is being taken from american soil everyday of the week - 365 days a year. I have never gotten a penny for the oil taken from the lower 48. Isn't that MY land? After all, I am a citizen - yet all the money goes directly to oil companies and politicians.

 

[mdk]

Yeeeeeeaaaah, the reality of solar is not what you would have us believe. Wherever solar is scaled up it fails. I love solar for off grid homes and in that arena it works pretty well. But scaled up as a power source for a fossil fuel powered grid it simply falls apart.



"Whether scorched birds are a major issue at the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System in California is a matter of dispute. But the “power tower” solar plant and its owners -- NRG Energy, Google and BrightSource Energy -- might have an even more fundamental problem on their hands: generating adequate electricity.
The Mojave Desert plant, built with the aid of a $1.6 billion federal loan guarantee, kicked off commercial operation at the tail end of December 2013, and for the eight-month period from January through August, its three units generated 254,263 megawatt-hours of electricity, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration data. That’s roughly one-quarter of the annual 1 million-plus megawatt-hours that had been anticipated."


More Problems for CSP Ivanpah Solar Plant Falling Short of Expected Electricity Production Greentech Media

I recently traveled south, through Wyoming, Colorado through Arizona and over to San Diego. Those damned wind turbines are everywhere. They are a blight on what was once a beautiful landscape. Absolutely horrible to look at.

Well a coal firing power plant isn't exactly picturesque either. We should be using every arrow in the quiver when it comes to our energy independence. That includes building more nuclear power plants, cleaner coal plants, solar, wind, natural gas, geothermal structures, and yes, pipelines as well.

 

[80zephyr]

Translation: We'll fight the pipeline until we reach a settlement. We would like our settlement in American dollars, please.

Mark

 

[RandallFlagg]

Yeeeeeeaaaah, the reality of solar is not what you would have us believe. Wherever solar is scaled up it fails. I love solar for off grid homes and in that arena it works pretty well. But scaled up as a power source for a fossil fuel powered grid it simply falls apart.



"Whether scorched birds are a major issue at the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System in California is a matter of dispute. But the “power tower” solar plant and its owners -- NRG Energy, Google and BrightSource Energy -- might have an even more fundamental problem on their hands: generating adequate electricity.
The Mojave Desert plant, built with the aid of a $1.6 billion federal loan guarantee, kicked off commercial operation at the tail end of December 2013, and for the eight-month period from January through August, its three units generated 254,263 megawatt-hours of electricity, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration data. That’s roughly one-quarter of the annual 1 million-plus megawatt-hours that had been anticipated."


More Problems for CSP Ivanpah Solar Plant Falling Short of Expected Electricity Production Greentech Media

I recently traveled south, through Wyoming, Colorado through Arizona and over to San Diego. Those damned wind turbines are everywhere. They are a blight on what was once a beautiful landscape. Absolutely horrible to look at.

Well a coal firing power plant isn't exactly picturesque either. We should be using every arrow in the quiver when it comes to our energy independence. That includes building more nuclear power plants, cleaner coal plants, solar, wind, natural gas, geothermal structures, and yes, pipelines as well.

My Grandparents lived in the hills of Kentucky - I KNOW what coal plants look like. I also KNOW that tens of thousands of folks RELY on those coal plants and those mines for their very lives. Yet, this clown in Washington wants them - and their livelihoods taken from them.

Here's my take on this bullshit. When we can enforce the same laws in China, India and Russia that we are trying to extort from Americans - THEN and only THEN can we talk about it. Until then? DRILL BABY DRILL!!!

 

[Silhouette]

Here's a Canadian in Southern Ontario, using an imperfect solar cooker based on the same theory roughly as the power plants. It's January, and 19 degrees F. The angle of the sun is extremely low.