You go back in time and become a delegate at the Constitutional Convention

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    In North Korea, they erect massive status of their glorious leader where people are made to come and bow down and cry. If they do not, bad things happen to them. Then they are all required to put a picture of their glorious leader on the walls of their house. Again, if they do not, bad things will happen to them.

    Now in the US, the worship is a little different. In Washington DC we see massive shrines to past political leaders. Men like FDR are revered as one of the greatest Presidents in US history, even though he arguably violated the Constitution worse than any other President in US history by locking up Japanese Americans due to racial prejudice and attempting the Court Packing Scheme to stack the Supreme Court in his favor to get his programs passed, etc. In fact, because of the vision of FDR and his "positive rights", he has become the forefather of the Progressive movement. No doubt, people like yourself worship at his alter every day saying what a great President he was, while saying in the same breath that Trump is by far the worst President. Funny how Trump is the racist while blacks enjoy the lowest levels of unemployment in US history and not once has thrown Americans in concentration camps like FDR did because of their race. Then Trump instituted a travel ban based on whether the people come from terrorist countries and not based upon being Muslim, something that Obama did as well, yet, Trump is the racist one. Funny how that works.

    But the bottom line here is, we all are in need of a shepherd. The Bible paints human beings as sheep. Those of faith recognize their God as their shepherd as where those not of faith adopt the state as their shepherd. The attitude of a statist is that without the helping hand of Big Brother, we would all be dying in the streets. From cradle to grave you wish to enact an ever present Big Brother to guide us and help us through life.

    Now this shepherd may not be a supernatural being, but men who assume the role are the next best thing. I've noticed that men like Lenin, Mao, Chavez, etc. all mummify themselves to be put on display when they die, as if they have immortalized themselves to be put on display for the sheep who could not possibly live without them, and they are idolized and worshiped as FDR is today. I also notice that the Left builds up their leaders as being the most intellectually gifted of the bunch to assume the role of glorious leader, as where the GOP front runner is always painted as a racist buffoon. And lastly, American politics has shifted power to the Executive Branch so that now we have a President that decides everything from what doctor we see to how our children are educated in the first grade. This has been accomplished by the deterioration of state rights and Congress delegating their job to the Executive Branch by creating a massive body of unelected bureaucrats who pass regulations that are just as powerful as laws, laws Congress was given to pass and not the Executive Branch.

    But that is how we are wired. As in the days of ancient Israel as the people stood up and demanded a king in 1 Samuel 8, today we do the same. We demand a human king who is flawed and corrupt beyond measure, or soon will be once given next to unbridled power. The Lord of the Rings pretty much nailed it.
     
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    Not relevant to the conversation. Please try again.
     
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    Does that include Obama?
     
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    There is no possibility of creation? I've never heard a scientist say this. How can you even prove such a a thing?

    Again, science is all about hypothesis and observation and putting your ideas to the test. As such, abiogenesis is what has not been proven, just as much as creation.

    As for a God being put to the test, this is equally impossible.
     
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    Wait....wut?

    Big old whiff, eh.

    Two more and you are OUT!
     
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    Not even Trump.
     
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    Science has proven that the world was not made in 6 days. Nor was a woman made out of a man's rib. Nor was there a worldwide flood...
     
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    We are talking about giving proof that the leftists, as she calls them, worship an invisible superbeing god, and are therefore a religion. The only whiff around me is the whiff of weed. :biggrin:
     
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    You said that science has disproved creation, but apparently you meant that science has disproved the Bible instead. Is this right?

    As for creation being in only 6 days, you are correct, science says that this is BS. However, not all those who believe in the Bible think so either. There are two camps on the issue, there are old earth creationists and there are those who think that the story is only allegory.

    For example, you could take the story of Adam and Eve as literal truth, or you could take it as allegory. If taken as allegory, the story is about two people being told not to partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Does it strike you as odd that the forbidden tree was named "Knowledge"? Well looking at society today, knowledge is what is destroying us. WMD's, global warming, plastics that will not degrade, genetically altered plants that cannot reproduce, and soon to be AI that is so terrifying that it's creator stopped and washed his hands of it.

    For you see, knowledge without wisdom brings death.

    As for Genesis being taken literally from an Old Creationist point of view, Dr. Gerald Schroeder is the only one I know who has attempted to bring science and the Bible into agreement on this issue. His book Genesis and the Big Bang did a pretty good job in bridging the two. Here is a video if interested.



    Also understand that the person who came up with the Big Bang theory was a priest, someone Einstein discarded because he had a reputation to protect, but was later shown to be correct.

    As for what was meant by the "rib", that is more or less a mystery whether being taken literally or as an allegory. Suffice it to say, it signified that man and woman were from the same origins.

    I have heard scientists say that there was no global flood, but I have also heard them say that there was not enough water on earth to flood the entire world. The later has changed, however, after discovering oceans of water below the earth. Also, there are other ancient accounts of a massive flood in that region from other ancient cultures, all of them varying to some degree. Looking at this from such a position, it is impossible to refute that there was a massive flood in the region, albeit speculative that it engulfed the entire world.

    Scientists discover an ocean 400 miles beneath our feet that could fill our oceans three times over - ExtremeTech
     
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    Whiffing the weed is perhaps one of the impediments to talking to you about these things.

    No wonder Dims are all about legalizing it.
     

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