Yo Barack...can You Spell Kobani?

[Camp]

Most Americans have no idea what or where a Kobani is. And they don't care about the Sunnis, Shiites, Kurds, or whatever either. It's time to withdraw from the Middle East. We don't belong there. We never did.

Not sure how many Americans know where Kobani is, but polls show over 70% are in favor of the air strikes. If you want the US out of the Middle East you are going to have to convince a whole lot more people. It appears that at the present time the vast majority of US citizens want the US involved in the Middle East.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

DT 9904192

. reporter just back from battle says he saw three ISIS tanks out in the open. No airstrikes by the Unprecedented Coalition. Unprecedented stupidity on the part of the administration.

Kurdish fighter ISIS has entered Syrian city of Kobani - CNN.com

You ;are so hard up for a reason to call Obama stupid that you cite a reporter on October 3 who reportedly saw three IS terrorist tanks in the open near Kobani Syria as a case of unprecedented stupidity on the part of the Administration. The ignorance is all yours Deltex. Your link from CNN shows that the air strikes were ongoing for a week around Kobani

U.S. airstrikes have been directed against ISIS positions in the Kobani area this week. But U.S. Central Command said there were no further strikes in the area overnight into Friday.

So what is it Deltex? Is US Central Command 'stupid' for missing the three tanks some reporter supposedly saw?


And I notice you don't post news that is bad news for those IS terrorists. You seem to only get excited when they are advancing or killing lots of people and you can go along with the right wing mob and blame it all on Obama.

Update for you. Sorry if it upsets you that Kobani has not fallen to IS terrorists.

Peshmerga forces enter Kobani: KDP official ----- The chief of Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) foreign relation said the Kurdish forces of Peshmerga have entered the Kurdish Syrian town of Kobani that is under the siege of the militants of the Islamic State (IS).

Peshmerga forces have entered Syria through Rabiya-Tel Kocar border pass way have simultaneously started their operation against the IS extremists. <> Peshmerga forces, who will fight to save Kobani from IS, will use Katyusha rocket launchers and a new model of American-made anti-aircraft guns, Cihan said. -------- News Code: 8711 | Date: 2014/10/28 | Time: 13 : 46

Here are some unprecedented stupid words from a US Adminstration:

"...The American people know that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction. By the way, he declared he didn't ave any -- 1441 insisted that he have a complete declaration of his weapons; he said he didn't have any weapons.

March 6, 2003 - George W. Bush stated in remarks made in a national press conference at the White House :

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Iraq Statements by US President George W. Bush - US - Iraq War - ProCon.org

The Bush Administration got 4,487 Americans killed because he thought "The American people" knew that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Now that is stupid. Real stupid. Because at that time when Bush said that utterly stupid statement it was apparent in polling that nearly six in ten Americans wanted Bush to give the UN inspectors more time and only resort to war as a last resort. That was smart of most Americans. Too bad Republicans put one of the dumbest Americans in charge of the lives of our men and women in uniform.




Mar. 6, 2003

Ouch, DuhTex hates it when someone pulls up his skirt.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I can spell poonani.

 

[Spare_change]

In January 2014, the military recommended that they begin studies to determine the best, and fastest, way to respond to ISIS. It was dutifully ignored .... this led to his infamous JV quote.

Who told you a request to "begin studies" was dutifully ignored?

Because I used to work there ... direct testimony from those there now.

Anything else?

 

[Spare_change]

BB 10139109

Bush has been out of office for 6 years

Wouldn't it be great if all the economic and foreign policy problems that Bush 43 created had disappeared or have been miraculously dissolved the minute Bush walked away from his disaster of a presidency?

To be specific, It took five years to resolve the Maliki problem that was established during Bush's term. After Bush surrendered control of where US troops could go in Iraq,

What has Obama done to solve problems created by Bush? He's had 6 years and a c ompliant Congress to do it. So what does he have to show for it?

Compliant Congress? How has the House been compliant? America has been subjected to extreme obstructionism and given Congress some of the lowest approval ratings in history. It has been anything but "compliant". Let's see what the dysfunctional House and Senate can do now that one party is in control of both.
As far as what did Obama fix that Bush broke, Bush's last year in office saw over 320 military KIA's in Iraq. The number was reduced from an average of one per day to one per week and finally zero. Zero is a good number when it comes to American KIA's in Iraq.
Bush let Bin Laden escape to live a life of comfort and leisure. Obama helped put an end to that crap. Letting loose the Dogs of War means letting the dogs off the leash. Bush was afraid to do that. Pakistan intimidated him. He was afraid to let the dogs off the leash.

Wow short memory or what?
Dems ran Congress for the last 2 years of Bush's administration and the first two of Obama's.
Deaths in Iraq went down thanks to Bush's surge, which Obama opposed, which won the war.
Let's look at Obama's surge in Afghanistan. More US troops in Afghanistan under Obama than under Bush.
Again, what has Obama done to fix Bush's mistakes?

Deflection into the debate about the success about the surge and Afghanistan does not change the fact that American's were still fighting and dying in Iraq when Bush left office and Bin Laden was hiding out in Pakistan. How much the surge lowered casualties compared to how much handing out bags of cash to the Sunni tribes to create the "Sunni awakening" is irrelevant to the families of the 322 military families that lost loved ones in 2008 and the men and women who suffered injuries or the personnel who had to continue with repeated deployments to Iraq.
Perhaps the continued loss and casualties of American military personnel in Iraq at the 2008 rate and the continued live of luxury Bin Laden was living are not priorities or of worthy concern to you, but their are others who consider those things to have been pretty darn important to put an end to.

You know, it seems kinda unfair to me to use the dead bodies of soldiers to forward a political position ... the deaths of soldiers, while appalling and horrible, are not sufficient justification to determine national policy.

And, before you ask, I used to be one of those soldiers.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Obama is the biggest fuck up since I dont know when. His strategy on ISIS is to do as little as possible to pacify his base and his critics. That seldom works.

Wrong again, clown. You must have been in a coma when Bush's approval rating was down to 22% because Americans were sick and tired of endless wars, troops returning with no limbs and the cost heading towards $2,000,000,000,000. (That's TRILLION for people who can't count zeros).

That's why the airstrikes instead of sending another 200,000 troops in just so ISIS can hide among the civilians and cause 200,000 of them to flee to Lebanon and another 100,000 of them to die when their towns and markets are bombed.

Geeee W. what went wrong? Idiot.

Bush's Final Approval Rating: 22 Percent
Bush s Final Approval Rating 22 Percent - CBS News

 

[Camp]

BB 10139109 Wouldn't it be great if all the economic and foreign policy problems that Bush 43 created had disappeared or have been miraculously dissolved the minute Bush walked away from his disaster of a presidency?

To be specific, It took five years to resolve the Maliki problem that was established during Bush's term. After Bush surrendered control of where US troops could go in Iraq,

What has Obama done to solve problems created by Bush? He's had 6 years and a c ompliant Congress to do it. So what does he have to show for it?

Compliant Congress? How has the House been compliant? America has been subjected to extreme obstructionism and given Congress some of the lowest approval ratings in history. It has been anything but "compliant". Let's see what the dysfunctional House and Senate can do now that one party is in control of both.
As far as what did Obama fix that Bush broke, Bush's last year in office saw over 320 military KIA's in Iraq. The number was reduced from an average of one per day to one per week and finally zero. Zero is a good number when it comes to American KIA's in Iraq.
Bush let Bin Laden escape to live a life of comfort and leisure. Obama helped put an end to that crap. Letting loose the Dogs of War means letting the dogs off the leash. Bush was afraid to do that. Pakistan intimidated him. He was afraid to let the dogs off the leash.

Wow short memory or what?
Dems ran Congress for the last 2 years of Bush's administration and the first two of Obama's.
Deaths in Iraq went down thanks to Bush's surge, which Obama opposed, which won the war.
Let's look at Obama's surge in Afghanistan. More US troops in Afghanistan under Obama than under Bush.
Again, what has Obama done to fix Bush's mistakes?

Deflection into the debate about the success about the surge and Afghanistan does not change the fact that American's were still fighting and dying in Iraq when Bush left office and Bin Laden was hiding out in Pakistan. How much the surge lowered casualties compared to how much handing out bags of cash to the Sunni tribes to create the "Sunni awakening" is irrelevant to the families of the 322 military families that lost loved ones in 2008 and the men and women who suffered injuries or the personnel who had to continue with repeated deployments to Iraq.
Perhaps the continued loss and casualties of American military personnel in Iraq at the 2008 rate and the continued live of luxury Bin Laden was living are not priorities or of worthy concern to you, but their are others who consider those things to have been pretty darn important to put an end to.

You know, it seems kinda unfair to me to use the dead bodies of soldiers to forward a political position ... the deaths of soldiers, while appalling and horrible, are not sufficient justification to determine national policy.

And, before you ask, I used to be one of those soldiers.

I wasn't using dead bodies to promote a political agenda. Rabbi made the claim that the surge won the war. The war was not won and victory can not be claimed while that many men and women are still dying in battle. The surge may have been successful in lots of ways, but it did not win the war.

 

[The Rabbi]

Obama is the biggest fuck up since I dont know when. His strategy on ISIS is to do as little as possible to pacify his base and his critics. That seldom works.

Wrong again, clown. You must have been in a coma when Bush's approval rating was down to 22% because Americans were sick and tired of endless wars, troops returning with no limbs and the cost heading towards $2,000,000,000,000. (That's TRILLION for people who can't count zeros).

That's why the airstrikes instead of sending another 200,000 troops in just so ISIS can hide among the civilians and cause 200,000 of them to flee to Lebanon and another 100,000 of them to die when their towns and markets are bombed.

Geeee W. what went wrong? Idiot.

Bush's Final Approval Rating: 22 Percent
Bush s Final Approval Rating 22 Percent - CBS News

So your argument is that Obama is not a fuck up because Bush had a 22% approvial rating when he left office? Really? Are you stoned?

 

[The Rabbi]

Obama is the biggest fuck up since I dont know when. His strategy on ISIS is to do as little as possible to pacify his base and his critics. That seldom works.

Wrong again, clown. You must have been in a coma when Bush's approval rating was down to 22% because Americans were sick and tired of endless wars, troops returning with no limbs and the cost heading towards $2,000,000,000,000. (That's TRILLION for people who can't count zeros).

That's why the airstrikes instead of sending another 200,000 troops in just so ISIS can hide among the civilians and cause 200,000 of them to flee to Lebanon and another 100,000 of them to die when their towns and markets are bombed.

Geeee W. what went wrong? Idiot.

Bush's Final Approval Rating: 22 Percent
Bush s Final Approval Rating 22 Percent - CBS News

So your argument is that Obama is not a fuck up because Bush had a 22% approvial rating when he left office? Really? Are you stoned?

 

[deltex1]

DT 9904192

. reporter just back from battle says he saw three ISIS tanks out in the open. No airstrikes by the Unprecedented Coalition. Unprecedented stupidity on the part of the administration.

Kurdish fighter ISIS has entered Syrian city of Kobani - CNN.com

You ;are so hard up for a reason to call Obama stupid that you cite a reporter on October 3 who reportedly saw three IS terrorist tanks in the open near Kobani Syria as a case of unprecedented stupidity on the part of the Administration. The ignorance is all yours Deltex. Your link from CNN shows that the air strikes were ongoing for a week around Kobani

U.S. airstrikes have been directed against ISIS positions in the Kobani area this week. But U.S. Central Command said there were no further strikes in the area overnight into Friday.

So what is it Deltex? Is US Central Command 'stupid' for missing the three tanks some reporter supposedly saw?


And I notice you don't post news that is bad news for those IS terrorists. You seem to only get excited when they are advancing or killing lots of people and you can go along with the right wing mob and blame it all on Obama.

Update for you. Sorry if it upsets you that Kobani has not fallen to IS terrorists.

Peshmerga forces enter Kobani: KDP official ----- The chief of Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) foreign relation said the Kurdish forces of Peshmerga have entered the Kurdish Syrian town of Kobani that is under the siege of the militants of the Islamic State (IS).

Peshmerga forces have entered Syria through Rabiya-Tel Kocar border pass way have simultaneously started their operation against the IS extremists. <> Peshmerga forces, who will fight to save Kobani from IS, will use Katyusha rocket launchers and a new model of American-made anti-aircraft guns, Cihan said. -------- News Code: 8711 | Date: 2014/10/28 | Time: 13 : 46

Here are some unprecedented stupid words from a US Adminstration:

"...The American people know that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction. By the way, he declared he didn't ave any -- 1441 insisted that he have a complete declaration of his weapons; he said he didn't have any weapons.

March 6, 2003 - George W. Bush stated in remarks made in a national press conference at the White House :

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Iraq Statements by US President George W. Bush - US - Iraq War - ProCon.org

The Bush Administration got 4,487 Americans killed because he thought "The American people" knew that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Now that is stupid. Real stupid. Because at that time when Bush said that utterly stupid statement it was apparent in polling that nearly six in ten Americans wanted Bush to give the UN inspectors more time and only resort to war as a last resort. That was smart of most Americans. Too bad Republicans put one of the dumbest Americans in charge of the lives of our men and women in uniform.




Mar. 6, 2003

Ouch, DuhTex hates it when someone pulls up his skirt.

If they did they'd see the back of your head, NTP ....feels goooooood!

 

[deltex1]

What has Obama done to solve problems created by Bush? He's had 6 years and a c ompliant Congress to do it. So what does he have to show for it?

Compliant Congress? How has the House been compliant? America has been subjected to extreme obstructionism and given Congress some of the lowest approval ratings in history. It has been anything but "compliant". Let's see what the dysfunctional House and Senate can do now that one party is in control of both.
As far as what did Obama fix that Bush broke, Bush's last year in office saw over 320 military KIA's in Iraq. The number was reduced from an average of one per day to one per week and finally zero. Zero is a good number when it comes to American KIA's in Iraq.
Bush let Bin Laden escape to live a life of comfort and leisure. Obama helped put an end to that crap. Letting loose the Dogs of War means letting the dogs off the leash. Bush was afraid to do that. Pakistan intimidated him. He was afraid to let the dogs off the leash.

Wow short memory or what?
Dems ran Congress for the last 2 years of Bush's administration and the first two of Obama's.
Deaths in Iraq went down thanks to Bush's surge, which Obama opposed, which won the war.
Let's look at Obama's surge in Afghanistan. More US troops in Afghanistan under Obama than under Bush.
Again, what has Obama done to fix Bush's mistakes?

Deflection into the debate about the success about the surge and Afghanistan does not change the fact that American's were still fighting and dying in Iraq when Bush left office and Bin Laden was hiding out in Pakistan. How much the surge lowered casualties compared to how much handing out bags of cash to the Sunni tribes to create the "Sunni awakening" is irrelevant to the families of the 322 military families that lost loved ones in 2008 and the men and women who suffered injuries or the personnel who had to continue with repeated deployments to Iraq.
Perhaps the continued loss and casualties of American military personnel in Iraq at the 2008 rate and the continued live of luxury Bin Laden was living are not priorities or of worthy concern to you, but their are others who consider those things to have been pretty darn important to put an end to.

You know, it seems kinda unfair to me to use the dead bodies of soldiers to forward a political position ... the deaths of soldiers, while appalling and horrible, are not sufficient justification to determine national policy.

And, before you ask, I used to be one of those soldiers.

I wasn't using dead bodies to promote a political agenda. Rabbi made the claim that the surge won the war. The war was not won and victory can not be claimed while that many men and women are still dying in battle. The surge may have been successful in lots of ways, but it did not win the war. Whether the war was won or not during the Bush administration is not a political issue.

OBABBLE said it was won.

 

[Spare_change]

And, before you ask, I used to be one of those soldiers.

I wasn't using dead bodies to promote a political agenda. Rabbi made the claim that the surge won the war. The war was not won and victory can not be claimed while that many men and women are still dying in battle. The surge may have been successful in lots of ways, but it did not win the war.

That is EXACTLY what you were doing .... you brought up the 322 dead soldiers in order to show the fallacy of Rabbi's approach ... a political discussion, not a military one. You wanted to point out how a political agenda had failed, so you used 322 dead soldiers as proof.

When soldiers die, it has NOTHING to do with politics. The country, and its leaders, have made a decision that the use of military force is necessary, and soldiers answer ... it's that simple. They don't ask why ... they just do. And, sadly, some die. It is farcical to claim that a particular political policy was the reason they died. To do that absolves half of the country of responsibility for their deaths. They died because their country asked them to - their WHOLE country.

Then, to make matters worse, you want to just throw those bodies on the pile of partisan politics. Sorry, it just doesn't work that way ... you are just as responsible for those 322 soldiers as anybody, and everybody, else. You don't get to absolve yourself of responsibility just because of some nebulous political opinion ... you've got blood on your hands, too.

 

[Spare_change]

Compliant Congress? How has the House been compliant? America has been subjected to extreme obstructionism and given Congress some of the lowest approval ratings in history. It has been anything but "compliant". Let's see what the dysfunctional House and Senate can do now that one party is in control of both.
As far as what did Obama fix that Bush broke, Bush's last year in office saw over 320 military KIA's in Iraq. The number was reduced from an average of one per day to one per week and finally zero. Zero is a good number when it comes to American KIA's in Iraq.
Bush let Bin Laden escape to live a life of comfort and leisure. Obama helped put an end to that crap. Letting loose the Dogs of War means letting the dogs off the leash. Bush was afraid to do that. Pakistan intimidated him. He was afraid to let the dogs off the leash.

Wow short memory or what?
Dems ran Congress for the last 2 years of Bush's administration and the first two of Obama's.
Deaths in Iraq went down thanks to Bush's surge, which Obama opposed, which won the war.
Let's look at Obama's surge in Afghanistan. More US troops in Afghanistan under Obama than under Bush.
Again, what has Obama done to fix Bush's mistakes?

Deflection into the debate about the success about the surge and Afghanistan does not change the fact that American's were still fighting and dying in Iraq when Bush left office and Bin Laden was hiding out in Pakistan. How much the surge lowered casualties compared to how much handing out bags of cash to the Sunni tribes to create the "Sunni awakening" is irrelevant to the families of the 322 military families that lost loved ones in 2008 and the men and women who suffered injuries or the personnel who had to continue with repeated deployments to Iraq.
Perhaps the continued loss and casualties of American military personnel in Iraq at the 2008 rate and the continued live of luxury Bin Laden was living are not priorities or of worthy concern to you, but their are others who consider those things to have been pretty darn important to put an end to.

You know, it seems kinda unfair to me to use the dead bodies of soldiers to forward a political position ... the deaths of soldiers, while appalling and horrible, are not sufficient justification to determine national policy.

And, before you ask, I used to be one of those soldiers.

I wasn't using dead bodies to promote a political agenda. Rabbi made the claim that the surge won the war. The war was not won and victory can not be claimed while that many men and women are still dying in battle. The surge may have been successful in lots of ways, but it did not win the war. Whether the war was won or not during the Bush administration is not a political issue.

OBABBLE said it was won.

Have you noticed that he was the ONLY one who said it was won? I didn't hear that from the Joint Chiefs, and I sure as hell didn't hear that from the soldiers on the ground.

 

[Camp]

Wow short memory or what?
Dems ran Congress for the last 2 years of Bush's administration and the first two of Obama's.
Deaths in Iraq went down thanks to Bush's surge, which Obama opposed, which won the war.
Let's look at Obama's surge in Afghanistan. More US troops in Afghanistan under Obama than under Bush.
Again, what has Obama done to fix Bush's mistakes?

Deflection into the debate about the success about the surge and Afghanistan does not change the fact that American's were still fighting and dying in Iraq when Bush left office and Bin Laden was hiding out in Pakistan. How much the surge lowered casualties compared to how much handing out bags of cash to the Sunni tribes to create the "Sunni awakening" is irrelevant to the families of the 322 military families that lost loved ones in 2008 and the men and women who suffered injuries or the personnel who had to continue with repeated deployments to Iraq.
Perhaps the continued loss and casualties of American military personnel in Iraq at the 2008 rate and the continued live of luxury Bin Laden was living are not priorities or of worthy concern to you, but their are others who consider those things to have been pretty darn important to put an end to.

You know, it seems kinda unfair to me to use the dead bodies of soldiers to forward a political position ... the deaths of soldiers, while appalling and horrible, are not sufficient justification to determine national policy.

And, before you ask, I used to be one of those soldiers.

I wasn't using dead bodies to promote a political agenda. Rabbi made the claim that the surge won the war. The war was not won and victory can not be claimed while that many men and women are still dying in battle. The surge may have been successful in lots of ways, but it did not win the war. Whether the war was won or not during the Bush administration is not a political issue.

OBABBLE said it was won.

Have you noticed that he was the ONLY one who said it was won? I didn't hear that from the Joint Chiefs, and I sure as hell didn't hear that from the soldiers on the ground.

When did he say the war was won? I know he declared the military mission a success and warned that the future of how that success would be used by the Iraqi's would be up to the Iraqi's, but I am unable to find the speech where he actually declared victory and declared or said that the war was won. Do you have a link for that?

 

[deltex1]

Deflection into the debate about the success about the surge and Afghanistan does not change the fact that American's were still fighting and dying in Iraq when Bush left office and Bin Laden was hiding out in Pakistan. How much the surge lowered casualties compared to how much handing out bags of cash to the Sunni tribes to create the "Sunni awakening" is irrelevant to the families of the 322 military families that lost loved ones in 2008 and the men and women who suffered injuries or the personnel who had to continue with repeated deployments to Iraq.
Perhaps the continued loss and casualties of American military personnel in Iraq at the 2008 rate and the continued live of luxury Bin Laden was living are not priorities or of worthy concern to you, but their are others who consider those things to have been pretty darn important to put an end to.

You know, it seems kinda unfair to me to use the dead bodies of soldiers to forward a political position ... the deaths of soldiers, while appalling and horrible, are not sufficient justification to determine national policy.

And, before you ask, I used to be one of those soldiers.

I wasn't using dead bodies to promote a political agenda. Rabbi made the claim that the surge won the war. The war was not won and victory can not be claimed while that many men and women are still dying in battle. The surge may have been successful in lots of ways, but it did not win the war. Whether the war was won or not during the Bush administration is not a political issue.

OBABBLE said it was won.

Have you noticed that he was the ONLY one who said it was won? I didn't hear that from the Joint Chiefs, and I sure as hell didn't hear that from the soldiers on the ground.

When did he say the war was won? I know he declared the military mission a success and warned that the future of how that success would be used by the Iraqi's would be up to the Iraqi's, but I am unable to find the speech where he actually declared victory and declared or said that the war was won. Do you have a link for that?

You're correct...he said the war was over. To a man with balls, if you declare a war over, it's because you won. With Obabble it means that two thirds of the voters can't tell he has no balls.

 

[Spare_change]

Deflection into the debate about the success about the surge and Afghanistan does not change the fact that American's were still fighting and dying in Iraq when Bush left office and Bin Laden was hiding out in Pakistan. How much the surge lowered casualties compared to how much handing out bags of cash to the Sunni tribes to create the "Sunni awakening" is irrelevant to the families of the 322 military families that lost loved ones in 2008 and the men and women who suffered injuries or the personnel who had to continue with repeated deployments to Iraq.
Perhaps the continued loss and casualties of American military personnel in Iraq at the 2008 rate and the continued live of luxury Bin Laden was living are not priorities or of worthy concern to you, but their are others who consider those things to have been pretty darn important to put an end to.

You know, it seems kinda unfair to me to use the dead bodies of soldiers to forward a political position ... the deaths of soldiers, while appalling and horrible, are not sufficient justification to determine national policy.

And, before you ask, I used to be one of those soldiers.

I wasn't using dead bodies to promote a political agenda. Rabbi made the claim that the surge won the war. The war was not won and victory can not be claimed while that many men and women are still dying in battle. The surge may have been successful in lots of ways, but it did not win the war. Whether the war was won or not during the Bush administration is not a political issue.

OBABBLE said it was won.

Have you noticed that he was the ONLY one who said it was won? I didn't hear that from the Joint Chiefs, and I sure as hell didn't hear that from the soldiers on the ground.

When did he say the war was won? I know he declared the military mission a success and warned that the future of how that success would be used by the Iraqi's would be up to the Iraqi's, but I am unable to find the speech where he actually declared victory and declared or said that the war was won. Do you have a link for that?

LOL - why don't you hide behind pedantic semantics?

 

[Camp]

You know, it seems kinda unfair to me to use the dead bodies of soldiers to forward a political position ... the deaths of soldiers, while appalling and horrible, are not sufficient justification to determine national policy.

And, before you ask, I used to be one of those soldiers.

I wasn't using dead bodies to promote a political agenda. Rabbi made the claim that the surge won the war. The war was not won and victory can not be claimed while that many men and women are still dying in battle. The surge may have been successful in lots of ways, but it did not win the war. Whether the war was won or not during the Bush administration is not a political issue.

OBABBLE said it was won.

Have you noticed that he was the ONLY one who said it was won? I didn't hear that from the Joint Chiefs, and I sure as hell didn't hear that from the soldiers on the ground.

When did he say the war was won? I know he declared the military mission a success and warned that the future of how that success would be used by the Iraqi's would be up to the Iraqi's, but I am unable to find the speech where he actually declared victory and declared or said that the war was won. Do you have a link for that?

You're correct...he said the war was over. To a man with balls, if you declare a war over, it's because you won. With Obabble it means that two thirds of the voters can't tell he has no balls.

The Obama quote's come from his Welcome Home address to the military personnel who served in Iraq. It was made at Fort Braqq in front an audience of airborne and special op's soldiers. He was thanking those who served and telling them a grateful nation appreciated the success they achieved in accomplishing the mission they were tasked with.

 

[The Rabbi]

What has Obama done to solve problems created by Bush? He's had 6 years and a c ompliant Congress to do it. So what does he have to show for it?

Compliant Congress? How has the House been compliant? America has been subjected to extreme obstructionism and given Congress some of the lowest approval ratings in history. It has been anything but "compliant". Let's see what the dysfunctional House and Senate can do now that one party is in control of both.
As far as what did Obama fix that Bush broke, Bush's last year in office saw over 320 military KIA's in Iraq. The number was reduced from an average of one per day to one per week and finally zero. Zero is a good number when it comes to American KIA's in Iraq.
Bush let Bin Laden escape to live a life of comfort and leisure. Obama helped put an end to that crap. Letting loose the Dogs of War means letting the dogs off the leash. Bush was afraid to do that. Pakistan intimidated him. He was afraid to let the dogs off the leash.

Wow short memory or what?
Dems ran Congress for the last 2 years of Bush's administration and the first two of Obama's.
Deaths in Iraq went down thanks to Bush's surge, which Obama opposed, which won the war.
Let's look at Obama's surge in Afghanistan. More US troops in Afghanistan under Obama than under Bush.
Again, what has Obama done to fix Bush's mistakes?

Deflection into the debate about the success about the surge and Afghanistan does not change the fact that American's were still fighting and dying in Iraq when Bush left office and Bin Laden was hiding out in Pakistan. How much the surge lowered casualties compared to how much handing out bags of cash to the Sunni tribes to create the "Sunni awakening" is irrelevant to the families of the 322 military families that lost loved ones in 2008 and the men and women who suffered injuries or the personnel who had to continue with repeated deployments to Iraq.
Perhaps the continued loss and casualties of American military personnel in Iraq at the 2008 rate and the continued live of luxury Bin Laden was living are not priorities or of worthy concern to you, but their are others who consider those things to have been pretty darn important to put an end to.

You know, it seems kinda unfair to me to use the dead bodies of soldiers to forward a political position ... the deaths of soldiers, while appalling and horrible, are not sufficient justification to determine national policy.

And, before you ask, I used to be one of those soldiers.

I wasn't using dead bodies to promote a political agenda. Rabbi made the claim that the surge won the war. The war was not won and victory can not be claimed while that many men and women are still dying in battle. The surge may have been successful in lots of ways, but it did not win the war.

Dont be an obtuse idiot. Of course the surge won the war. It turned the situation around and allowed us to conclude a status of forces agreement.

 

[paulitician]

Most Americans have no idea what or where a Kobani is. And they don't care about the Sunnis, Shiites, Kurds, or whatever either. It's time to withdraw from the Middle East. We don't belong there. We never did.

Not sure how many Americans know where Kobani is, but polls show over 70% are in favor of the air strikes. If you want the US out of the Middle East you are going to have to convince a whole lot more people. It appears that at the present time the vast majority of US citizens want the US involved in the Middle East.

Sadly, Americans have been conditioned on Permanent War. It's all they know now. Most just expect it and accept it. But the reality is, they gain nothing from all these Wars/Interventions. Only the Ruling-Class Globalist Elites do. They hand over their Tax Dollars and send their children to die so Globalist Elites can get richer.

Just look at Ukraine for example. The U.S. Government is pouring American Tax Dollars in there while VP Joe Biden and his brat son are getting richer. Average Americans won't benefit from Intervention in Ukraine. only Ruling-Class Elites like Joe Biden will. We don't belong there or in the Middle East. Those lands belong to the Peoples of those lands. We should respect that and come home.

 

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Most Americans have no idea what or where a Kobani is. And they don't care about the Sunnis, Shiites, Kurds, or whatever either. It's time to withdraw from the Middle East. We don't belong there. We never did.

Not sure how many Americans know where Kobani is, but polls show over 70% are in favor of the air strikes. If you want the US out of the Middle East you are going to have to convince a whole lot more people. It appears that at the present time the vast majority of US citizens want the US involved in the Middle East.

Sadly, Americans have been conditioned on Permanent War. It's all they know now. Most just expect it and accept it. But the reality is, they gain nothing from all these Wars/Interventions. Only the Ruling-Class Globalist Elites do. They hand over their Tax Dollars and send their children to die so Globalist Elites can get richer.

Just look at Ukraine for example. The U.S. Government is pouring American Tax Dollars in there while VP Joe Biden and his brat son are getting richer. Average Americans won't benefit from Intervention in Ukraine. only Ruling-Class Elites like Joe Biden will. We don't belong there or in the Middle East. Those lands belong to the Peoples of those lands. We should respect that and come home.

Boy, I'm sure glad we got smart people like you to look out for us idiots!!!

Your bias is blinding ... you wouldn't recognize reality if it fell on you ... and it will. It always does.

 

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Most Americans have no idea what or where a Kobani is. And they don't care about the Sunnis, Shiites, Kurds, or whatever either. It's time to withdraw from the Middle East. We don't belong there. We never did.

Not sure how many Americans know where Kobani is, but polls show over 70% are in favor of the air strikes. If you want the US out of the Middle East you are going to have to convince a whole lot more people. It appears that at the present time the vast majority of US citizens want the US involved in the Middle East.

Sadly, Americans have been conditioned on Permanent War. It's all they know now. Most just expect it and accept it. But the reality is, they gain nothing from all these Wars/Interventions. Only the Ruling-Class Globalist Elites do. They hand over their Tax Dollars and send their children to die so Globalist Elites can get richer.

Just look at Ukraine for example. The U.S. Government is pouring American Tax Dollars in there while VP Joe Biden and his brat son are getting richer. Average Americans won't benefit from Intervention in Ukraine. only Ruling-Class Elites like Joe Biden will. We don't belong there or in the Middle East. Those lands belong to the Peoples of those lands. We should respect that and come home.

Boy, I'm sure glad we got smart people like you to look out for us idiots!!!

Your bias is blinding ... you wouldn't recognize reality if it fell on you ... and it will. It always does.

You personally, will gain nothing from all these Wars/Interventions. In fact, it's exactly the opposite. You'll pay dearly for them. Only the Ruling-Class Globalist Elites will benefit. The sooner Americans figure that out, the better off we'll all be.