Yo Barack...can You Spell Kobani?

[Spare_change]

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Yeah Obama is jut right there giving them hell. ROFL!!!!

If air strikes are Hell then yes, Obama was the first world leader to give it to them. So he was not dithering. Saying that he was is the chatter of fools.

Nonsense.

How long did it take Obama to recognize that this wasn't the 'JV' team?

Why did it take Obama over four months to follow the recommendations of his military commanders, during which ISIS consolidated its power? Why has he only authorized a laughably incompetent 'air war'? Why has he refused to put 'boots on the ground', despite the recommendations of the military, only to trickle troops into the fight?

The man is incompetent - admit it, and let's move on.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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Why did it take Obama over four months to follow the recommendations of his military commanders, during which ISIS consolidated its power

What were the four month recommendations of his military commanders? Were they concerned with the bad governance by Maliki?

 

[Discombobulated]

Obama is the biggest fuck up since I dont know when. His strategy on ISIS is to do as little as possible to pacify his base and his critics. That seldom works.

As opposed to the Republican strategy of.........what was it again? Oh that's right, I remember now: The Republican strategy is to criticize the President and hope ISIS is gone before 2016 when Republicans might have to make some actual decisions of their own.

 

[The Rabbi]

Obama is the biggest fuck up since I dont know when. His strategy on ISIS is to do as little as possible to pacify his base and his critics. That seldom works.

As opposed to the Republican strategy of.........what was it again? Oh that's right, I remember now: The Republican strategy is to criticize the President and hope ISIS is gone before 2016 when Republicans might have to make some actual decisions of their own.

Link?
Recall that the president sets foreign policy and is commander in chief.
I guess your post just face planted from stupidity.

 

[Discombobulated]

Obama is the biggest fuck up since I dont know when. His strategy on ISIS is to do as little as possible to pacify his base and his critics. That seldom works.

As opposed to the Republican strategy of.........what was it again? Oh that's right, I remember now: The Republican strategy is to criticize the President and hope ISIS is gone before 2016 when Republicans might have to make some actual decisions of their own.

Link?
Recall that the president sets foreign policy and is commander in chief.
I guess your post just face planted from stupidity.

Link to what? Are you the only one who gets to characterize the behavior of the enemy?

 

[The Rabbi]

Obama is the biggest fuck up since I dont know when. His strategy on ISIS is to do as little as possible to pacify his base and his critics. That seldom works.

As opposed to the Republican strategy of.........what was it again? Oh that's right, I remember now: The Republican strategy is to criticize the President and hope ISIS is gone before 2016 when Republicans might have to make some actual decisions of their own.

Link?
Recall that the president sets foreign policy and is commander in chief.
I guess your post just face planted from stupidity.

Link to what? Are you the only one who gets to characterize the behavior of the enemy?

Link to the so-called Republican strategy. Do you have ADHD or something?
Yes, I get to characterize the enemy. A nd the enemy is stupid, lazy, incompetent and unprepared for office.
Unless you meant ISIS.

 

[Discombobulated]

Obama is the biggest fuck up since I dont know when. His strategy on ISIS is to do as little as possible to pacify his base and his critics. That seldom works.

As opposed to the Republican strategy of.........what was it again? Oh that's right, I remember now: The Republican strategy is to criticize the President and hope ISIS is gone before 2016 when Republicans might have to make some actual decisions of their own.

Link?
Recall that the president sets foreign policy and is commander in chief.
I guess your post just face planted from stupidity.

Link to what? Are you the only one who gets to characterize the behavior of the enemy?

Link to the so-called Republican strategy. Do you have ADHD or something?
Yes, I get to characterize the enemy. A nd the enemy is stupid, lazy, incompetent and unprepared for office.
Unless you meant ISIS.

No you misunderstood, I meant eminent conservative scholars like yourself.

 

[Discombobulated]

New title for this thread: Yo, Republican Dipshits! Can you spell: Iraq under the Maliki government was Iran's best buddy and favorite ally, working directly against US interests. Isis victories in Iraq are the direct results.

 

[The Rabbi]

New title for this thread: Yo, Republican Dipshits! Can you spell: Iraq under the Maliki government was Iran's best buddy and favorite ally, working directly against US interests. Isis victories in Iraq are the direct results.

Translatuion: It's Bush's fault.
Hey shitface. Bush has been out of office for 6 years. Obama is in charge. Obama has fucked up US foreign policy so badly even our allies are laughing at him.

 

[Discombobulated]

New title for this thread: Yo, Republican Dipshits! Can you spell: Iraq under the Maliki government was Iran's best buddy and favorite ally, working directly against US interests. Isis victories in Iraq are the direct results.

Translatuion: It's Bush's fault.
Hey shitface. Bush has been out of office for 6 years. Obama is in charge. Obama has fucked up US foreign policy so badly even our allies are laughing at him.

Bush's fault? OK, if you say so.

 

[Spare_change]

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Why did it take Obama over four months to follow the recommendations of his military commanders, during which ISIS consolidated its power

What were the four month recommendations of his military commanders? Were they concerned with the bad governance by Maliki?

In January 2014, the military recommended that they begin studies to determine the best, and fastest, way to respond to ISIS. It was dutifully ignored .... this led to his infamous JV quote.

In June 2014, the military recommended air strikes, combined with a contingent of on-ground troops to address ISIS. It was dutifully ignored.

Then, in September 2014 ....

As he laid out his strategy to combat the Islamic State in both Iraq and Syria, President Obama rejected the “best military advice” of his top military commander in the Middle East.


Quoting two U.S. military officials, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday that Army Gen. Lloyd Austin, commander of U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM), said “that his best military advice was to send a modest contingent of American troops, principally Special Operations forces, to advise and assist Iraqi army units in fighting the militants.”


Austin’s recommendation was taken to the White House by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin Dempsey. The White House rejected CENTCOM’s “advise and assist” contingent due to concerns about placing U.S. ground forces in a frontline role.

Obama Rejected Best Military Advice RealClearDefense

Anything else I can do for you?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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Obama Rejected Best Military Advice RealClearDefense

Anything else I can do for you?

that Army Gen. Lloyd Austin, commander of U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM), said “that his best military advice was to send a modest contingent of American troops, principally Special Operations forces, to advise and assist Iraqi army units in fighting the militants.”

You need to learn to read entire news reports. There are valid reasons many options are not used.

The Washington Post link you provided explains why what CENTCOM "preferred" was not the best option from a bigger strategic assessment by the President.

Supporters of the president’s approach say that the use of U.S. ground troops could easily send the wrong message to Iraqi soldiers, encouraging them to hang back and allow the Americans to fight, and it might discourage Iraq’s new government from moving quickly in efforts win over Sunnis estranged by the previous prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki. “We cannot do for Iraqis what they must do for themselves, nor can we take the place of Arab partners in securing their region,” Obama said.

Of course the US Military is the best in the world and their preferred options from some in the Pentagon would be to quickly get Daesh destroyed. That is their job. But ttat is why our Constitution made the President a civilian to be Commander in Chief of the military. The President must consider more than winning a war as fast as possible - He or she must consider among many things such as whether sacrificing American lives is necessary and will that sacrifice hinder the necessity of forcing the residents in the region to confront the enemy on the ground, where the sacrifice mostly needs to be made, to fight the hard fight themselves.

And the President's preferred options have already proven to be the best on the battlefield. The Commander's option you cited from the Washington Post were not necessary because Iraqis are slowly driving Daesh out of territory they seized. And the Iraqis are not demanding that destroying ISIS be finished quickly by foreign force.

The strict military options can be wrong and in this specific challenge it is wrong.

Recommitting ground combat forces to Iraq would have been highly controversial, and most likely would have been opposed by a substantial majority of Americans. But Austin’s predecessor, retired Marine Gen. James Mattis, said the decision not to send ground troops poses serious risks to the mission.

“The American people will once again see us in a war that doesn’t seem to be making progress,” Mattis said. “You’re giving the enemy the initiative for a longer period.”

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Mathis is wrong as it pertains to the majority of Americans. The smarter Americans prefer it take longer and to have the Iraqis themselves bleed and die. Quoting the President once again:

"“We cannot do for Iraqis what they must do for themselves, nor can we take the place of Arab partners in securing their region,” "

 

[NotfooledbyW]

In January 2014, the military recommended that they begin studies to determine the best, and fastest, way to respond to ISIS. It was dutifully ignored .... this led to his infamous JV quote.

Who told you a request to "begin studies" was dutifully ignored?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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Bush has been out of office for 6 years

Wouldn't it be great if all the economic and foreign policy problems that Bush 43 created had disappeared or have been miraculously dissolved the minute Bush walked away from his disaster of a presidency?

To be specific, It took five years to resolve the Maliki problem that was established during Bush's term. After Bush surrendered control of where US troops could go in Iraq,

 

[The Rabbi]

BB 10139109

Bush has been out of office for 6 years

Wouldn't it be great if all the economic and foreign policy problems that Bush 43 created had disappeared or have been miraculously dissolved the minute Bush walked away from his disaster of a presidency?

To be specific, It took five years to resolve the Maliki problem that was established during Bush's term. After Bush surrendered control of where US troops could go in Iraq,

What has Obama done to solve problems created by Bush? He's had 6 years and a c ompliant Congress to do it. So what does he have to show for it?

 

[Camp]

BB 10139109

Bush has been out of office for 6 years

Wouldn't it be great if all the economic and foreign policy problems that Bush 43 created had disappeared or have been miraculously dissolved the minute Bush walked away from his disaster of a presidency?

To be specific, It took five years to resolve the Maliki problem that was established during Bush's term. After Bush surrendered control of where US troops could go in Iraq,

What has Obama done to solve problems created by Bush? He's had 6 years and a c ompliant Congress to do it. So what does he have to show for it?

Compliant Congress? How has the House been compliant? America has been subjected to extreme obstructionism and given Congress some of the lowest approval ratings in history. It has been anything but "compliant". Let's see what the dysfunctional House and Senate can do now that one party is in control of both.
As far as what did Obama fix that Bush broke, Bush's last year in office saw over 320 military KIA's in Iraq. The number was reduced from an average of one per day to one per week and finally zero. Zero is a good number when it comes to American KIA's in Iraq.
Bush let Bin Laden escape to live a life of comfort and leisure. Obama helped put an end to that crap. Letting loose the Dogs of War means letting the dogs off the leash. Bush was afraid to do that. Pakistan intimidated him. He was afraid to let the dogs off the leash.

 

[The Rabbi]

BB 10139109

Bush has been out of office for 6 years

Wouldn't it be great if all the economic and foreign policy problems that Bush 43 created had disappeared or have been miraculously dissolved the minute Bush walked away from his disaster of a presidency?

To be specific, It took five years to resolve the Maliki problem that was established during Bush's term. After Bush surrendered control of where US troops could go in Iraq,

What has Obama done to solve problems created by Bush? He's had 6 years and a c ompliant Congress to do it. So what does he have to show for it?

Compliant Congress? How has the House been compliant? America has been subjected to extreme obstructionism and given Congress some of the lowest approval ratings in history. It has been anything but "compliant". Let's see what the dysfunctional House and Senate can do now that one party is in control of both.
As far as what did Obama fix that Bush broke, Bush's last year in office saw over 320 military KIA's in Iraq. The number was reduced from an average of one per day to one per week and finally zero. Zero is a good number when it comes to American KIA's in Iraq.
Bush let Bin Laden escape to live a life of comfort and leisure. Obama helped put an end to that crap. Letting loose the Dogs of War means letting the dogs off the leash. Bush was afraid to do that. Pakistan intimidated him. He was afraid to let the dogs off the leash.

Wow short memory or what?
Dems ran Congress for the last 2 years of Bush's administration and the first two of Obama's.
Deaths in Iraq went down thanks to Bush's surge, which Obama opposed, which won the war.
Let's look at Obama's surge in Afghanistan. More US troops in Afghanistan under Obama than under Bush.
Again, what has Obama done to fix Bush's mistakes?

 

[paulitician]

ISIS was created by the West and Sunni Nations in the region. It was created to 'Regime Change' Assad. So ISIS is all on our Government. It was just another way to get the Sheeple on board supporting more War.

The People said 'no' to war with Syria earlier on. But then suddenly & magically, the ISIS Boogeyman appears. And now most Americans are fully on board with War in Syria. Our Government is bombing around the clock there now. The People got played again. The Ruling-Class Globalist Elites got their war in Syria after all.

 

[Camp]

BB 10139109

Bush has been out of office for 6 years

Wouldn't it be great if all the economic and foreign policy problems that Bush 43 created had disappeared or have been miraculously dissolved the minute Bush walked away from his disaster of a presidency?

To be specific, It took five years to resolve the Maliki problem that was established during Bush's term. After Bush surrendered control of where US troops could go in Iraq,

What has Obama done to solve problems created by Bush? He's had 6 years and a c ompliant Congress to do it. So what does he have to show for it?

Compliant Congress? How has the House been compliant? America has been subjected to extreme obstructionism and given Congress some of the lowest approval ratings in history. It has been anything but "compliant". Let's see what the dysfunctional House and Senate can do now that one party is in control of both.
As far as what did Obama fix that Bush broke, Bush's last year in office saw over 320 military KIA's in Iraq. The number was reduced from an average of one per day to one per week and finally zero. Zero is a good number when it comes to American KIA's in Iraq.
Bush let Bin Laden escape to live a life of comfort and leisure. Obama helped put an end to that crap. Letting loose the Dogs of War means letting the dogs off the leash. Bush was afraid to do that. Pakistan intimidated him. He was afraid to let the dogs off the leash.

Wow short memory or what?
Dems ran Congress for the last 2 years of Bush's administration and the first two of Obama's.
Deaths in Iraq went down thanks to Bush's surge, which Obama opposed, which won the war.
Let's look at Obama's surge in Afghanistan. More US troops in Afghanistan under Obama than under Bush.
Again, what has Obama done to fix Bush's mistakes?

Deflection into the debate about the success about the surge and Afghanistan does not change the fact that American's were still fighting and dying in Iraq when Bush left office and Bin Laden was hiding out in Pakistan. How much the surge lowered casualties compared to how much handing out bags of cash to the Sunni tribes to create the "Sunni awakening" is irrelevant to the families of the 322 military families that lost loved ones in 2008 and the men and women who suffered injuries or the personnel who had to continue with repeated deployments to Iraq.
Perhaps the continued loss and casualties of American military personnel in Iraq at the 2008 rate and the continued live of luxury Bin Laden was living are not priorities or of worthy concern to you, but their are others who consider those things to have been pretty darn important to put an end to.

 

[paulitician]

Most Americans have no idea what or where a Kobani is. And they don't care about the Sunnis, Shiites, Kurds, or whatever either. It's time to withdraw from the Middle East. We don't belong there. We never did.