Yitzhak Hertzog: I call referendum on settlements' future.

[Phoenall]

Illegal is illegal, no referendum makes it legal.

And it is yet to be decided in open court if it is illegal, until then it is shown to be legal. That is why the UN refuses to take it before the ICC/ICJ

You are a yammering ignoramus.

Four signatory states—Israel, Sudan, the United States and Russia[22]—have informed the UN Secretary General that they no longer intend to become states parties and, as such, have no legal obligations arising from their signature of the Statute.[20][23]
International Criminal Court - Wikipedia​

In 2004, the United Nations passed a number of resolutions and the International Court of Justice issued a ruling where judges ruled 14–1 that the portions of the Israeli West Bank barrier that are located within occupied Palestinian territories are illegal under international law. [11] Prior to the ruling, Israel had made the claim that the ICJ lacked standing to rule on the legality of the barrier, which the court unanimously rejected.[32] On July 20, 2004, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution demanding that Israel obey the ICJ ruling. [12] 150 nations voted in favor of the resolution, 7 voted against, and 10 abstained.
Wikipedia​

Seriously, who gives a shit what the U.N. thinks about anything having to do with Israel or Palestine? They are so in the bag with everything Arab, the five heads of the Mafia crime families would be a more partial judge.

If I were Israel I would issue them a 5 page summary which explains all of the lies, hatred, intolerance, resistance and total bogus bullshit they have put up with with any Arab within 200 miles of Palestine since the early 1900s. I would point out how the Jews who came to this land did nothing illegal, purchased plots of uninhabited land from the Ottomoman Turk landlords or wealthy absentee Egyptian landlords and developed the worthless tracks of land turning it into gardens and fruitful enterprises. I would point out that is the only reason hundreds of thousands of Egyptians, Lebanes, Syrians, et al. moved into Palestine because the Jews offered them opportunities. I would point out the nomadic Palestinian tribes and whatever other Arabs were around were not impinged on in any way, quite the opposite.

I would also point out it was the Arabs and grand muftis who told the Palestinians to leave Israel until the 7 Arab nations destroyed the Jews in 1948 --- and that is why they left. By the way, those Arabs who stayed, they want no part of living in Arab nations, they are far better treated and living better in Israel. Yet, for some sick reason Arabs cannot let a Jew live next to them.

In other words --- this has gotten to the point where Israel has every right and reason to tell the U.N. and the "international court" to "get f--ked" because they are in bed with Arabs and the enemies of Judaism and are evil judges.

eriously, who gives a shit what the U.N. thinks about anything having to do with Israel or Palestine?

And who cares what the pork eating goyim crusaders think, as Israel has nothing to do with them , the Israeli people will decide ,not the goyim

Oh, we will decide all right. Don't kid yourself, when the Christian west (the goyim as you call us) withholds its support of Israel, Israel will disappear.

Very much doubt it as the Jews will bring your puny governments down around your ears if you so much as try. The nazi hunters will be reformed and the likes of you will be arrested and charged with crimes already on the statute books from the end of WW2. You agents of the anti Christ will soon see that you have been led astray and will reap what you have sown

 

[montelatici]

You are a yammering ignoramus.

Four signatory states—Israel, Sudan, the United States and Russia[22]—have informed the UN Secretary General that they no longer intend to become states parties and, as such, have no legal obligations arising from their signature of the Statute.[20][23]
International Criminal Court - Wikipedia​

In 2004, the United Nations passed a number of resolutions and the International Court of Justice issued a ruling where judges ruled 14–1 that the portions of the Israeli West Bank barrier that are located within occupied Palestinian territories are illegal under international law. [11] Prior to the ruling, Israel had made the claim that the ICJ lacked standing to rule on the legality of the barrier, which the court unanimously rejected.[32] On July 20, 2004, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution demanding that Israel obey the ICJ ruling. [12] 150 nations voted in favor of the resolution, 7 voted against, and 10 abstained.
Wikipedia​

Seriously, who gives a shit what the U.N. thinks about anything having to do with Israel or Palestine? They are so in the bag with everything Arab, the five heads of the Mafia crime families would be a more partial judge.

If I were Israel I would issue them a 5 page summary which explains all of the lies, hatred, intolerance, resistance and total bogus bullshit they have put up with with any Arab within 200 miles of Palestine since the early 1900s. I would point out how the Jews who came to this land did nothing illegal, purchased plots of uninhabited land from the Ottomoman Turk landlords or wealthy absentee Egyptian landlords and developed the worthless tracks of land turning it into gardens and fruitful enterprises. I would point out that is the only reason hundreds of thousands of Egyptians, Lebanes, Syrians, et al. moved into Palestine because the Jews offered them opportunities. I would point out the nomadic Palestinian tribes and whatever other Arabs were around were not impinged on in any way, quite the opposite.

I would also point out it was the Arabs and grand muftis who told the Palestinians to leave Israel until the 7 Arab nations destroyed the Jews in 1948 --- and that is why they left. By the way, those Arabs who stayed, they want no part of living in Arab nations, they are far better treated and living better in Israel. Yet, for some sick reason Arabs cannot let a Jew live next to them.

In other words --- this has gotten to the point where Israel has every right and reason to tell the U.N. and the "international court" to "get f--ked" because they are in bed with Arabs and the enemies of Judaism and are evil judges.

eriously, who gives a shit what the U.N. thinks about anything having to do with Israel or Palestine?

And who cares what the pork eating goyim crusaders think, as Israel has nothing to do with them , the Israeli people will decide ,not the goyim

Oh, we will decide all right. Don't kid yourself, when the Christian west (the goyim as you call us) withholds its support of Israel, Israel will disappear.

Oh my. The boy is stuttering and mumbling about his xtian crusade. I suppose you're going to direct the crusade from behind your keyboard?

In my opinion, montelatici no more speaks for any contingency of Christian voices than guno speaks for any Israeli contingency.

They both have serious deficiencies that make me uncomfortable and denigrate whoever they think they are representing.

I am just stating fact. Not denigrating anyone. Israel needs the Christian West's support to survive.

 

[Phoenall]

And it is yet to be decided in open court if it is illegal, until then it is shown to be legal. That is why the UN refuses to take it before the ICC/ICJ

You are a yammering ignoramus.

Four signatory states—Israel, Sudan, the United States and Russia[22]—have informed the UN Secretary General that they no longer intend to become states parties and, as such, have no legal obligations arising from their signature of the Statute.[20][23]
International Criminal Court - Wikipedia​

In 2004, the United Nations passed a number of resolutions and the International Court of Justice issued a ruling where judges ruled 14–1 that the portions of the Israeli West Bank barrier that are located within occupied Palestinian territories are illegal under international law. [11] Prior to the ruling, Israel had made the claim that the ICJ lacked standing to rule on the legality of the barrier, which the court unanimously rejected.[32] On July 20, 2004, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution demanding that Israel obey the ICJ ruling. [12] 150 nations voted in favor of the resolution, 7 voted against, and 10 abstained.
Wikipedia​

Seriously, who gives a shit what the U.N. thinks about anything having to do with Israel or Palestine? They are so in the bag with everything Arab, the five heads of the Mafia crime families would be a more partial judge.

If I were Israel I would issue them a 5 page summary which explains all of the lies, hatred, intolerance, resistance and total bogus bullshit they have put up with with any Arab within 200 miles of Palestine since the early 1900s. I would point out how the Jews who came to this land did nothing illegal, purchased plots of uninhabited land from the Ottomoman Turk landlords or wealthy absentee Egyptian landlords and developed the worthless tracks of land turning it into gardens and fruitful enterprises. I would point out that is the only reason hundreds of thousands of Egyptians, Lebanes, Syrians, et al. moved into Palestine because the Jews offered them opportunities. I would point out the nomadic Palestinian tribes and whatever other Arabs were around were not impinged on in any way, quite the opposite.

I would also point out it was the Arabs and grand muftis who told the Palestinians to leave Israel until the 7 Arab nations destroyed the Jews in 1948 --- and that is why they left. By the way, those Arabs who stayed, they want no part of living in Arab nations, they are far better treated and living better in Israel. Yet, for some sick reason Arabs cannot let a Jew live next to them.

In other words --- this has gotten to the point where Israel has every right and reason to tell the U.N. and the "international court" to "get f--ked" because they are in bed with Arabs and the enemies of Judaism and are evil judges.

eriously, who gives a shit what the U.N. thinks about anything having to do with Israel or Palestine?

And who cares what the pork eating goyim crusaders think, as Israel has nothing to do with them , the Israeli people will decide ,not the goyim

Oh, we will decide all right. Don't kid yourself, when the Christian west (the goyim as you call us) withholds its support of Israel, Israel will disappear.

Oh my. The boy is stuttering and mumbling about his xtian crusade. I suppose you're going to direct the crusade from behind your keyboard?

More like from under his bed because that is where he hides from the bad people that call him names

 

[Phoenall]

Seriously, who gives a shit what the U.N. thinks about anything having to do with Israel or Palestine? They are so in the bag with everything Arab, the five heads of the Mafia crime families would be a more partial judge.

If I were Israel I would issue them a 5 page summary which explains all of the lies, hatred, intolerance, resistance and total bogus bullshit they have put up with with any Arab within 200 miles of Palestine since the early 1900s. I would point out how the Jews who came to this land did nothing illegal, purchased plots of uninhabited land from the Ottomoman Turk landlords or wealthy absentee Egyptian landlords and developed the worthless tracks of land turning it into gardens and fruitful enterprises. I would point out that is the only reason hundreds of thousands of Egyptians, Lebanes, Syrians, et al. moved into Palestine because the Jews offered them opportunities. I would point out the nomadic Palestinian tribes and whatever other Arabs were around were not impinged on in any way, quite the opposite.

I would also point out it was the Arabs and grand muftis who told the Palestinians to leave Israel until the 7 Arab nations destroyed the Jews in 1948 --- and that is why they left. By the way, those Arabs who stayed, they want no part of living in Arab nations, they are far better treated and living better in Israel. Yet, for some sick reason Arabs cannot let a Jew live next to them.

In other words --- this has gotten to the point where Israel has every right and reason to tell the U.N. and the "international court" to "get f--ked" because they are in bed with Arabs and the enemies of Judaism and are evil judges.

eriously, who gives a shit what the U.N. thinks about anything having to do with Israel or Palestine?

And who cares what the pork eating goyim crusaders think, as Israel has nothing to do with them , the Israeli people will decide ,not the goyim

Oh, we will decide all right. Don't kid yourself, when the Christian west (the goyim as you call us) withholds its support of Israel, Israel will disappear.

Oh my. The boy is stuttering and mumbling about his xtian crusade. I suppose you're going to direct the crusade from behind your keyboard?

In my opinion, montelatici no more speaks for any contingency of Christian voices than guno speaks for any Israeli contingency.

They both have serious deficiencies that make me uncomfortable and denigrate whoever they think they are representing.

I am just stating fact. Not denigrating anyone. Israel needs the Christian West's support to survive.

Nope it can survive without it and will soon show you that they can handle some islamonazi terrorists that are relying on your contributions to buy weapons.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Illegal is illegal, no referendum makes it legal.

There is no rational basis in history, logic or law for calling Israel's communities in Judea and Samaria illegal.

 

[turzovka]

I am just stating fact. Not denigrating anyone. Israel needs the Christian West's support to survive.

Every time I read one of your posts you are attacking and disparaging Israel. Which would not bother me except when one considers the enemies and lying devils they must live around, you would think one would be more understanding to their plight.

Israel needs the Christian West's support to survive? Why? Is it because there are 12 Muslim nations (plus russia and china if I were betting man) constantly plotting their demise? Yes, that might make them a bit vulnerable. I bet Bolivia does not need the West to survive. Helps not having hatred and missiles surrounding you.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Illegal is illegal, no referendum makes it legal.

And it is yet to be decided in open court if it is illegal, until then it is shown to be legal. That is why the UN refuses to take it before the ICC/ICJ

You are a yammering ignoramus.

Four signatory states—Israel, Sudan, the United States and Russia[22]—have informed the UN Secretary General that they no longer intend to become states parties and, as such, have no legal obligations arising from their signature of the Statute.[20][23]
International Criminal Court - Wikipedia​

In 2004, the United Nations passed a number of resolutions and the International Court of Justice issued a ruling where judges ruled 14–1 that the portions of the Israeli West Bank barrier that are located within occupied Palestinian territories are illegal under international law. [11] Prior to the ruling, Israel had made the claim that the ICJ lacked standing to rule on the legality of the barrier, which the court unanimously rejected.[32] On July 20, 2004, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution demanding that Israel obey the ICJ ruling. [12] 150 nations voted in favor of the resolution, 7 voted against, and 10 abstained.
Wikipedia​

Seriously, who gives a shit what the U.N. thinks about anything having to do with Israel or Palestine? They are so in the bag with everything Arab, the five heads of the Mafia crime families would be a more partial judge.

If I were Israel I would issue them a 5 page summary which explains all of the lies, hatred, intolerance, resistance and total bogus bullshit they have put up with with any Arab within 200 miles of Palestine since the early 1900s. I would point out how the Jews who came to this land did nothing illegal, purchased plots of uninhabited land from the Ottomoman Turk landlords or wealthy absentee Egyptian landlords and developed the worthless tracks of land turning it into gardens and fruitful enterprises. I would point out that is the only reason hundreds of thousands of Egyptians, Lebanes, Syrians, et al. moved into Palestine because the Jews offered them opportunities. I would point out the nomadic Palestinian tribes and whatever other Arabs were around were not impinged on in any way, quite the opposite.

I would also point out it was the Arabs and grand muftis who told the Palestinians to leave Israel until the 7 Arab nations destroyed the Jews in 1948 --- and that is why they left. By the way, those Arabs who stayed, they want no part of living in Arab nations, they are far better treated and living better in Israel. Yet, for some sick reason Arabs cannot let a Jew live next to them.

In other words --- this has gotten to the point where Israel has every right and reason to tell the U.N. and the "international court" to "get f--ked" because they are in bed with Arabs and the enemies of Judaism and are evil judges.

eriously, who gives a shit what the U.N. thinks about anything having to do with Israel or Palestine?

And who cares what the pork eating goyim crusaders think, as Israel has nothing to do with them , the Israeli people will decide ,not the goyim

"pork eating goyim"? Are you Jewish or just pretending to be, in order to give us a bad name?

 

[turzovka]

"pork eating goyim"? Are you Jewish or just pretending to be, in order to give us a bad name?

Actually, he gives jews a bad name. (That is, if one was fool enough to take him seriously.)

 

[montelatici]

Stating fact is not disparagement. If Israel were not occupying land taken from the native Muslim and Christian people (the majority of who were evicted to make room for the Jews) would there be any conflict between the Muslim and Christian Palestinians and Jews? Is there any rational reason that the Muslim and Christians should not despise the Israeli Jews? Put yourself in their shoes, for once.

And talking about liars:

The British (Churchill) from the partition resolution A/364.

""Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English. His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine...."

A/364 of 3 September 1947

In retrospect it is obvious that the British conspired with the Jews to do the exact opposite and expropriate, rule over and/or evict the native Christians and Muslims.

They were lied to, called "hostile" for resisting the planned subjugation and now have people like you repeating the propaganda designed to justify the crimes perpetrated against the Muslims and Christians of Palestine, people that had nothing to do with the Holocaust.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Seriously, who gives a shit what the U.N. thinks about anything having to do with Israel or Palestine? They are so in the bag with everything Arab, the five heads of the Mafia crime families would be a more partial judge.

If I were Israel I would issue them a 5 page summary which explains all of the lies, hatred, intolerance, resistance and total bogus bullshit they have put up with with any Arab within 200 miles of Palestine since the early 1900s. I would point out how the Jews who came to this land did nothing illegal, purchased plots of uninhabited land from the Ottomoman Turk landlords or wealthy absentee Egyptian landlords and developed the worthless tracks of land turning it into gardens and fruitful enterprises. I would point out that is the only reason hundreds of thousands of Egyptians, Lebanes, Syrians, et al. moved into Palestine because the Jews offered them opportunities. I would point out the nomadic Palestinian tribes and whatever other Arabs were around were not impinged on in any way, quite the opposite.

I would also point out it was the Arabs and grand muftis who told the Palestinians to leave Israel until the 7 Arab nations destroyed the Jews in 1948 --- and that is why they left. By the way, those Arabs who stayed, they want no part of living in Arab nations, they are far better treated and living better in Israel. Yet, for some sick reason Arabs cannot let a Jew live next to them.

In other words --- this has gotten to the point where Israel has every right and reason to tell the U.N. and the "international court" to "get f--ked" because they are in bed with Arabs and the enemies of Judaism and are evil judges.

eriously, who gives a shit what the U.N. thinks about anything having to do with Israel or Palestine?

And who cares what the pork eating goyim crusaders think, as Israel has nothing to do with them , the Israeli people will decide ,not the goyim

Oh, we will decide all right. Don't kid yourself, when the Christian west (the goyim as you call us) withholds its support of Israel, Israel will disappear.

Oh my. The boy is stuttering and mumbling about his xtian crusade. I suppose you're going to direct the crusade from behind your keyboard?

In my opinion, montelatici no more speaks for any contingency of Christian voices than guno speaks for any Israeli contingency.

They both have serious deficiencies that make me uncomfortable and denigrate whoever they think they are representing.

I am just stating fact. Not denigrating anyone. Israel needs the Christian West's support to survive.

Then Israel is secure since the overwhelming majority of American Christians support Israel; in fact the majority of Zionists are Christians.

 

[turzovka]

Stating fact is not disparagement. If Israel were not occupying land taken from the native Muslim and Christian people (the majority of who were evicted to make room for the Jews) would there be any conflict between the Muslim and Christian Palestinians and Jews? Is there any rational reason that the Muslim and Christians should not despise the Israeli Jews? Put yourself in their shoes, for once.

And talking about liars:

The British (Churchill) from the partition resolution A/364.

""Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English. His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine...."

A/364 of 3 September 1947

In retrospect it is obvious that the British conspired with the Jews to do the exact opposite and expropriate, rule over and/or evict the native Christians and Muslims.

They were lied to, called "hostile" for resisting the planned subjugation and now have people like you repeating the propaganda designed to justify the crimes perpetrated against the Muslims and Christians of Palestine, people that had nothing to do with the Holocaust.

>>Stating fact is not disparagement. If Israel were not occupying land taken from the native Muslim and Christian people (the majority of who were evicted to make room for the Jews) would there be any conflict between the Muslim and Christian Palestinians and Jews?<<

Yes, apparently there would be. Because I do not accept your premise at all. The Jews who moved into the Holy Land in the early 1900’s occupied No One’s land! It was the Ottoman Turks who controlled not only “Palestine” but Jordan, Syria, Iraq, etc., none of which were countries with borders at the time. So where do you come off calling this Palestinians’ land? There were Christians living there as well, correct, but also Jews and Jerusalem had a Jewish majority. The Jews purchased worthless tracks of land from the Ottoman Turks and from absentee Egyptian landlords.

Did you get that? “Worthless tracks of land” that no one was living on, most of it swamp land if you read historical journals. The Jews drained these mosquito infested salty swamps and turned a desolate land into something very bountiful and useful. Then what? Then all the Egyptians, Lebanese, Iraqui et al. moved in to “Palestine” because jobs and opportunity were created by the Jews. You deny that? And then what? Then Islam hatred for Jews --- be it envy or a dark spiritual hatred --- set in and they resented their benefactors. And then all of a sudden all these Arabs who flooded in after the Jewish reclamation now refer to themselves as “Palestinians.” Yeah, right. Refugees, my foot. 1) You came from Egypt and Iraq, etc. 2) When the 1948 war started you all left Israel at the command or behest of your Islamic grand muftis promising you would return when the Jews were wiped out. Well, it did not happen so now you come up with new crap to make your case.


>>And talking about liars: The British (Churchill) from the partition resolution A/364.""Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English. His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine...."<<

First of all, leave it to the warring, hate-filled Arabs to put the British in a most precarious situation. All the British hoped for was peace but the Arabs are not nice people. These agreements the British were a major player in lopped off ¾ of Palestine and created Jordan, exclusively for Arab Palestinians, no Jew could live there. With the remaining ¼ of Palestine it was divided between Arab and Jew. But hell no, the Arabs demand everything, even though they have no legitimate right, hell, most of them were transplanst from other countries.

 

[montelatici]

And who cares what the pork eating goyim crusaders think, as Israel has nothing to do with them , the Israeli people will decide ,not the goyim

Oh, we will decide all right. Don't kid yourself, when the Christian west (the goyim as you call us) withholds its support of Israel, Israel will disappear.

Oh my. The boy is stuttering and mumbling about his xtian crusade. I suppose you're going to direct the crusade from behind your keyboard?

In my opinion, montelatici no more speaks for any contingency of Christian voices than guno speaks for any Israeli contingency.

They both have serious deficiencies that make me uncomfortable and denigrate whoever they think they are representing.

I am just stating fact. Not denigrating anyone. Israel needs the Christian West's support to survive.

Then Israel is secure since the overwhelming majority of American Christians support Israel; in fact the majority of Zionists are Christians.

Just the evangelicals, they are a minority of Christians in America and they are fickle. They could turn on Jews in heartbeat.

The World Council of Churches (most of the mainline churches) and the Roman Catholic Church have a far different position.

 

[Phoenall]

Stating fact is not disparagement. If Israel were not occupying land taken from the native Muslim and Christian people (the majority of who were evicted to make room for the Jews) would there be any conflict between the Muslim and Christian Palestinians and Jews? Is there any rational reason that the Muslim and Christians should not despise the Israeli Jews? Put yourself in their shoes, for once.

And talking about liars:

The British (Churchill) from the partition resolution A/364.

""Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English. His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine...."

A/364 of 3 September 1947

In retrospect it is obvious that the British conspired with the Jews to do the exact opposite and expropriate, rule over and/or evict the native Christians and Muslims.

They were lied to, called "hostile" for resisting the planned subjugation and now have people like you repeating the propaganda designed to justify the crimes perpetrated against the Muslims and Christians of Palestine, people that had nothing to do with the Holocaust.

that is why they partioned it into two parts trans Jordan and the Jewish national home

 

[toomuchtime_]

Oh, we will decide all right. Don't kid yourself, when the Christian west (the goyim as you call us) withholds its support of Israel, Israel will disappear.

Oh my. The boy is stuttering and mumbling about his xtian crusade. I suppose you're going to direct the crusade from behind your keyboard?

In my opinion, montelatici no more speaks for any contingency of Christian voices than guno speaks for any Israeli contingency.

They both have serious deficiencies that make me uncomfortable and denigrate whoever they think they are representing.

I am just stating fact. Not denigrating anyone. Israel needs the Christian West's support to survive.

Then Israel is secure since the overwhelming majority of American Christians support Israel; in fact the majority of Zionists are Christians.

Just the evangelicals, they are a minority of Christians in America and they are fickle. They could turn on Jews in heartbeat.

The World Council of Churches (most of the mainline churches) and the Roman Catholic Church have a far different position.

You are deluded. All the polls have shown for many years the vast majority of Americans support Israel and since the vast majority of Americans are Christians it follows that vast majority of Christians support Israel.

 

[montelatici]

Stating fact is not disparagement. If Israel were not occupying land taken from the native Muslim and Christian people (the majority of who were evicted to make room for the Jews) would there be any conflict between the Muslim and Christian Palestinians and Jews? Is there any rational reason that the Muslim and Christians should not despise the Israeli Jews? Put yourself in their shoes, for once.

And talking about liars:

The British (Churchill) from the partition resolution A/364.

""Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English. His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine...."

A/364 of 3 September 1947

In retrospect it is obvious that the British conspired with the Jews to do the exact opposite and expropriate, rule over and/or evict the native Christians and Muslims.

They were lied to, called "hostile" for resisting the planned subjugation and now have people like you repeating the propaganda designed to justify the crimes perpetrated against the Muslims and Christians of Palestine, people that had nothing to do with the Holocaust.

>>Stating fact is not disparagement. If Israel were not occupying land taken from the native Muslim and Christian people (the majority of who were evicted to make room for the Jews) would there be any conflict between the Muslim and Christian Palestinians and Jews?<<

Yes, apparently there would be. Because I do not accept your premise at all. The Jews who moved into the Holy Land in the early 1900’s occupied No One’s land! It was the Ottoman Turks who controlled not only “Palestine” but Jordan, Syria, Iraq, etc., none of which were countries with borders at the time. So where do you come off calling this Palestinians’ land? There were Christians living there as well, correct, but also Jews and Jerusalem had a Jewish majority. The Jews purchased worthless tracks of land from the Ottoman Turks and from absentee Egyptian landlords.

Did you get that? “Worthless tracks of land” that no one was living on, most of it swamp land if you read historical journals. The Jews drained these mosquito infested salty swamps and turned a desolate land into something very bountiful and useful. Then what? Then all the Egyptians, Lebanese, Iraqui et al. moved in to “Palestine” because jobs and opportunity were created by the Jews. You deny that? And then what? Then Islam hatred for Jews --- be it envy or a dark spiritual hatred --- set in and they resented their benefactors. And then all of a sudden all these Arabs who flooded in after the Jewish reclamation now refer to themselves as “Palestinians.” Yeah, right. Refugees, my foot. 1) You came from Egypt and Iraq, etc. 2) When the 1948 war started you all left Israel at the command or behest of your Islamic grand muftis promising you would return when the Jews were wiped out. Well, it did not happen so now you come up with new crap to make your case.


>>And talking about liars: The British (Churchill) from the partition resolution A/364.""Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English. His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine...."<<

First of all, leave it to the warring, hate-filled Arabs to put the British in a most precarious situation. All the British hoped for was peace but the Arabs are not nice people. These agreements lopped off ¾ of Palestine and created Jordan, exclusively for Arab Palestinians, no Jew could live there. With the remaining ¼ of Palestine it was divided between Arab and Jew. But hell no, the Arabs demand everything, even though they have no legitimate right, hell, most of them were transplanst from other countries.

1. The inhabitants were the Muslims and Christians, and they owned, as private property, over 85% of the land as late as 1947, hence it was their land, not some imperial power's.

From Resolution A/364 the "partition resolution":

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land. ..."

A/364 of 3 September 1947



2. It's the same bullshit propaganda that you liars spread, there was hardly any Muslim or Christian immigration to Palestine. This is a Zionist myth, designed to justify the expropriation of the Muslim and Christian natives:

From the same UN partition resolution:

"15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths."

Continuing to make things up or repeating lies you have read on Zionist propaganda sites, does not change the facts.

 

[montelatici]

Oh my. The boy is stuttering and mumbling about his xtian crusade. I suppose you're going to direct the crusade from behind your keyboard?

In my opinion, montelatici no more speaks for any contingency of Christian voices than guno speaks for any Israeli contingency.

They both have serious deficiencies that make me uncomfortable and denigrate whoever they think they are representing.

I am just stating fact. Not denigrating anyone. Israel needs the Christian West's support to survive.

Then Israel is secure since the overwhelming majority of American Christians support Israel; in fact the majority of Zionists are Christians.

Just the evangelicals, they are a minority of Christians in America and they are fickle. They could turn on Jews in heartbeat.

The World Council of Churches (most of the mainline churches) and the Roman Catholic Church have a far different position.

You are deluded. All the polls have shown for many years the vast majority of Americans support Israel and since the vast majority of Americans are Christians it follows that vast majority of Christians support Israel.

Things are changing, for example.

"When the Presbyterian Church (USA), the nation's major Presbyterian body, decided this summer to move toward cutting off investments in select companies that do business with Israel, Jewish groups were caught off guard.

Read more at Mainline Churches vs. Israel?

Not a vast majority anyway. American Catholics support Israel but 60% and Hispanic Catholics are increasingly supporting the Palestinians, and that is the part of the Catholic Church that is growing the most. Besides, on a worldwide basis, Christians support the Palestinians.

"World Council of Churches condemns Christian Zionism"

The Prophetic Church is moving forward!

 

[Hollie]

Stating fact is not disparagement. If Israel were not occupying land taken from the native Muslim and Christian people (the majority of who were evicted to make room for the Jews) would there be any conflict between the Muslim and Christian Palestinians and Jews? Is there any rational reason that the Muslim and Christians should not despise the Israeli Jews? Put yourself in their shoes, for once.

And talking about liars:

The British (Churchill) from the partition resolution A/364.

""Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English. His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine...."

A/364 of 3 September 1947

In retrospect it is obvious that the British conspired with the Jews to do the exact opposite and expropriate, rule over and/or evict the native Christians and Muslims.

They were lied to, called "hostile" for resisting the planned subjugation and now have people like you repeating the propaganda designed to justify the crimes perpetrated against the Muslims and Christians of Palestine, people that had nothing to do with the Holocaust.

>>Stating fact is not disparagement. If Israel were not occupying land taken from the native Muslim and Christian people (the majority of who were evicted to make room for the Jews) would there be any conflict between the Muslim and Christian Palestinians and Jews?<<

Yes, apparently there would be. Because I do not accept your premise at all. The Jews who moved into the Holy Land in the early 1900’s occupied No One’s land! It was the Ottoman Turks who controlled not only “Palestine” but Jordan, Syria, Iraq, etc., none of which were countries with borders at the time. So where do you come off calling this Palestinians’ land? There were Christians living there as well, correct, but also Jews and Jerusalem had a Jewish majority. The Jews purchased worthless tracks of land from the Ottoman Turks and from absentee Egyptian landlords.

Did you get that? “Worthless tracks of land” that no one was living on, most of it swamp land if you read historical journals. The Jews drained these mosquito infested salty swamps and turned a desolate land into something very bountiful and useful. Then what? Then all the Egyptians, Lebanese, Iraqui et al. moved in to “Palestine” because jobs and opportunity were created by the Jews. You deny that? And then what? Then Islam hatred for Jews --- be it envy or a dark spiritual hatred --- set in and they resented their benefactors. And then all of a sudden all these Arabs who flooded in after the Jewish reclamation now refer to themselves as “Palestinians.” Yeah, right. Refugees, my foot. 1) You came from Egypt and Iraq, etc. 2) When the 1948 war started you all left Israel at the command or behest of your Islamic grand muftis promising you would return when the Jews were wiped out. Well, it did not happen so now you come up with new crap to make your case.


>>And talking about liars: The British (Churchill) from the partition resolution A/364.""Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English. His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine...."<<

First of all, leave it to the warring, hate-filled Arabs to put the British in a most precarious situation. All the British hoped for was peace but the Arabs are not nice people. These agreements lopped off ¾ of Palestine and created Jordan, exclusively for Arab Palestinians, no Jew could live there. With the remaining ¼ of Palestine it was divided between Arab and Jew. But hell no, the Arabs demand everything, even though they have no legitimate right, hell, most of them were transplanst from other countries.

1. The inhabitants were the Muslims and Christians, and they owned, as private property, over 85% of the land as late as 1947, hence it was their land, not some imperial power's.

From Resolution A/364 the "partition resolution":

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land. ..."

A/364 of 3 September 1947



2. It's the same bullshit propaganda that you liars spread, there was hardly any Muslim or Christian immigration to Palestine. This is a Zionist myth, designed to justify the expropriation of the Muslim and Christian natives:

From the same UN partition resolution:

"15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths."

Continuing to make things up or repeating lies you have read on Zionist propaganda sites, does not change the facts.

You are simply ignorant of the facts. Arabs-Moslems did not own 85℅ of the geographic area you ignoranty label as your invented "country of Pal'istan". We know the Ottoman land records that large tracts of land were held in trust as an Islamist waqf. We also know that absentee land owners in Egypt, Syria and Lebanon owned large tracts which were sold to Jewish buyers.

You're just making up things as you go along.

Turkey transfers Ottoman land records to PalestinianAuthority

 

[Hollie]

In my opinion, montelatici no more speaks for any contingency of Christian voices than guno speaks for any Israeli contingency.

They both have serious deficiencies that make me uncomfortable and denigrate whoever they think they are representing.

I am just stating fact. Not denigrating anyone. Israel needs the Christian West's support to survive.

Then Israel is secure since the overwhelming majority of American Christians support Israel; in fact the majority of Zionists are Christians.

Just the evangelicals, they are a minority of Christians in America and they are fickle. They could turn on Jews in heartbeat.

The World Council of Churches (most of the mainline churches) and the Roman Catholic Church have a far different position.

You are deluded. All the polls have shown for many years the vast majority of Americans support Israel and since the vast majority of Americans are Christians it follows that vast majority of Christians support Israel.

Things are changing, for example.

"When the Presbyterian Church (USA), the nation's major Presbyterian body, decided this summer to move toward cutting off investments in select companies that do business with Israel, Jewish groups were caught off guard.

Read more at Mainline Churches vs. Israel?

Not a vast majority anyway. American Catholics support Israel but 60% and Hispanic Catholics are increasingly supporting the Palestinians, and that is the part of the Catholic Church that is growing the most. Besides, on a worldwide basis, Christians support the Palestinians.

"World Council of Churches condemns Christian Zionism"

The Prophetic Church is moving forward!

How silly. You're now cutting and pasting from someone's personal blog.

 

[Lipush]

Illegal is illegal, no referendum makes it legal.

It's not about what the UN or 'international law'. It's about figuring once and for all what the people of Israel truly want to do about the liberated lands. It will be an important step, with no connection to what the UN wants or thinks.

A decision can only be made for the own land, not "liberated" land, where armed thugs terrorize the true citizens until they leave too.

True citizens? Are you totally ignorant to history?!

The only reason wby you would't find Jews at Gush Atzion during the 50's was because the were scarred of and killed by the Atabs during those days.

The Jews of Hebron were butchered in 1929. Their houses were robbed, demolished and taken over by the Arabs.

Now when they return, THEY are the illegal squatteres?!

Wow. Some of you people are unbelievable.

 

[montelatici]

Illegal is illegal, no referendum makes it legal.

It's not about what the UN or 'international law'. It's about figuring once and for all what the people of Israel truly want to do about the liberated lands. It will be an important step, with no connection to what the UN wants or thinks.

A decision can only be made for the own land, not "liberated" land, where armed thugs terrorize the true citizens until they leave too.

True citizens? Are you totally ignorant to history?!

The only reason wby you would't find Jews at Gush Atzion during the 50's was because the were scarred of and killed by the Atabs during those days.

The Jews of Hebron were butchered in 1929. Their houses were robbed, demolished and taken over by the Arabs.

Now when they return, THEY are the illegal squatteres?!

Wow. Some of you people are unbelievable.

Gush Etzion a Jewish outpost, was within the Arab part of the partition. The inhabitants were part of the incoming horde of European Jews who, as we know, intended to create a Jewish state at the expense of the native Muslim and Christians.

The Jewish military decided to take over and militarize the nearby Russian Orthodox Monastery in order to claim yet additional land. The Arabs, understandably attacked a foreign military installation within their territory. Many Muslim and Christian towns and villages had already been captured within the Jewish and Arab partitions, Jaffa, within the Arab partition, had already surrendered after a long Jewish siege days before the Israeli declaration of independence. Muslims and Christians were massacred by the Jews, in far greater number than Jews by the Arabs as the Arabs were defending themselves from a foreign takeover.

At Hebron, the Arabs had long complained about the the increasing influx of Europeans in the area. The Sephardic Jews of Hebron, although also from outside of Palestine (Spain as the name implies), were not targets until they took sides and decided to back the foreigners. Tragic, but about the same number of Arabs died as Jews in the conflict.