Yes Bush LIED and soldiers are still dying!

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    Here is an EXCELLENT and extremely informative read which sheds a lot of light on how the justification for "war" with Iraq was conjured up in the first place.

    Before anyone disses the source I suggest you actually READ it.

    There are litterally HUNDREDS of points in this essay which can probably each be argued on their own merits but simply blowing off all the FACTS presented here as mere "liberal" propaganda won't cut it.

    As much as Conservatives like to confuse their short memories with clean consciences this stuff does still matter. As long as America's soldiers are still dying in Iraq, and as long as America itself is doomed to suffer the blowback of what we have done in Iraq for generations, the real reasons of how we got there in the first place will continue to be relevant.

    http://www.antiwar.com/engelhardt/?articleid=11214
     
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    Good reading, and as for your signature, it gives us the term "Pyrrhic victory".
     
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    im not suggesting your articles are liberal propaganda, but since we are in a way, shouldnt we worry more about correcting the mistakes first, and then investigating bush. With all due respect, I tend to find liberals on this board, obssessing about why we should not have gone, rather then , any solutions we could try to fix this.

     
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    This is a good and well stated point.

    There probably isn't any "fixing" Iraq nor is it possible to "correct" a mistake of this magnitude.

    I believe that holding people responsible and prosecuting them to the fullest extent of international law would be the first step toward restoring America's credibility in the world. The sight of Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Pearle, ect. in chains before a world court would go a long way toward beginning to rectify our "mistake" in Iraq.
     
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    As a fair minded person, who is obsessed with the truth. I am very angry at cheney for lying about saddam being tied to iraq. And I want a full investigation by impartial people, like the 9/11 commission that once and for all, proves guilt, or acquits bush and all those mentioned of crimes, whichever you believe you can proove. We are all americans, the truth, should matter more to both of us, then who is right, wrong, or what party you are in.


     
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    Why are the other conservatives conspicuously silent on this thread?

    Is there too much reading involved?
     
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    To be fair, yes, there is a lot of reading lol.

    Second, how would you feel, if someone came to you and said, youre wrong, and/or youre an idiot.

    I am NOT for one second saying that you said: conservatives are idiots, but pride is a huge thing in politics, and both sides in general dont want to admit when they are wrong.

    Am i wrong on this?

     
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    Uh...yup, that's it. Too much reading. Hiyuck, garsh, all them really big words and stuff.

    Perhaps the sound of crickets is due to the fact that nothing in the piece is new? I've certainly heard it all before. None of it is surprising. It's a rehash of all the previously used talking points presented by two partisan authors. Big deal. I don't watch reruns of CSI either.

    I've said all along that Bush was wrong to go into Iraq when he did and the way he did. I never bought into any Iraqi link to 9/11, nor did I jump on the yellowcake band wagon. Did Saddam need to be removed? I think so, he was a cruel bastard. Did he have WMDs? As it turns out, no. But he did go a long way to make people think he did, and he did have chemical and biological wepons at one point during his reign, we know because he used them. Both on the Iranians and the Kurds (members of his own populace). He was a murderous prick. We know this because of eyewitness testimony to executions and the discovery of mass graves. Let's not even get started on those wunderkind sons of his.

    Should Saddam have been removed yes. Could it have waited? You bet, and it should have. Until Osama's head was raised on a pike, nothing else should have mattered.

    Bush has screwed the pooch in Iraq.
     
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    So what hare you demanding he suffer as a consequence of that?
     
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    I am not demanding a thing. There is nothing for me to demand.

    History will not treat him kindly and that is, perhaps, the deepest cut of all. (Hell, the present doesn't treat him kindly.) The most any President wants is a good legacy and to be remembered as a good or great leader. Bush will get neither.

    His presidency has gone from lame duck to dead duck, we have but to wait for the next man, or woman.
     

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