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The Ambassadors job is to meet with the people of the country they are Ambassadors in.
What do you think American Ambassador in Moscow is doing? Same thing. Grow up, libs.
I do hope other Russian citizens see how much a danger Democrats are to our nation's living in peace.The Ambassadors job is to meet with the people of the country they are Ambassadors in.
What do you think American Ambassador in Moscow is doing? Same thing. Grow up, libs.
It's nice to see people continually trying to destroy this country failing. As far as the OP, SO WHAT?
I do hope other Russian citizens see how much a danger Democrats are to our nation's living in peace.The Ambassadors job is to meet with the people of the country they are Ambassadors in.
What do you think American Ambassador in Moscow is doing? Same thing. Grow up, libs.
Because to be brutally honest they want dead Russians. This blame the Russians for their never ending liberal failures in policy and practice is childish bullshit. But their bullshit given its will is deadly for both countries.
The Russians are not guilty of liberal Democrat failures. And as we have seen liberal Democrats are truly trying their best to make Russian life harder. You may ask yourself why and the answers are simple. The Democrat party of today is stolidly built and design on the Soviet era politics. It upsets them that you left that and they seek to punish you just like the Soviet era did when you sought freedom from it.
American Democrats are American communists and their roots with the Soviet Union go back almost 100 years in this country. The American Communist party pretty much started here in 1920 and joined with Democrats directly in the 1960s. Hillary Clinton studied hard core Soviet policy in college and wrote her thesis supporting it!
Barrak Obama aka shit stain studied under trained Soviet terrorists dorn and Ayers. Now there is more then enough proof to show that shit stain worked with directly with islamic terrorists. So Americans are faced with two groups of terrorists. Islamic terrorists on the outside and Soviet trained American Communists called Democrats on the inside.
The problems of dealing with terrorists both over seas and in our nation's will simply not go away until our citizens of both countries realize they need to be dealt with quickly and harshly. And I do mean harshly. Fuck the UN as they are nothing but a cover for Soviet light. Soviet era communist and islamics need dead. We do not need them to be our moral compass. The global world will be just fine celebrating Russian and American pride at the same time.
Hope that helps
Fury
SO WHAT? Were you there? No. Did you see what happened? No. Do you have anything other than what the lying media has fed you? No.It's nice to see people continually trying to destroy this country failing. As far as the OP, SO WHAT?
The dude didn't disclose these meetings..
People get fired for not disclosing important information..
I once had a roommate who became a CHP officer The back round check they did on her was so intense , it was very stressful..
She would have not been hired if she left things out.
The Ambassadors job is to meet with the people of the country they are Ambassadors in.
What do you think American Ambassador in Moscow is doing? Same thing. Grow up, libs.
That's a lot of drivel that adds up to nothing!The Ambassadors job is to meet with the people of the country they are Ambassadors in.
What do you think American Ambassador in Moscow is doing? Same thing. Grow up, libs.
No, it isn't, but I'll get to that later in the post.
The point re: Kushner is that the man was explicitly asked to detail his interactions with foreign parties and his response was that he has no such interactions. Then the man thrice amended his SF-86. Now, by his own attestation, at one event, he interacted with four ambassadors, three of whom he still hasn't identified. Given the interactions he had prior to joining the Administration, he could have put something in his SF-86, yet he put nothing, that is until it started coming out that he'd conversed with a variety of Russian officials.
On top of that, there's the fact that the nexus of his interactions has been with people who represent or carried information from/on behalf of the Russian government, not the government of an American ally, and not just non-governmentally/non-Putin aligned businesspeople/Russian citizens. And that same nexus exists for most of the other foreign policy and high level policy (in general) principals in the Trump Administration and/or campaign. WTH is/was going on that so many people around Trump, including Trump, were doing "whatever" with Russians rather than Brits, Scots, French, Italians, Spaniards, Japanese, Irish, Australians, or any of our allies.
Hell, we haven't even heard that any of the Trump people (not including Trump, Sr. have had any interactions with officials from ally or, if not allied, non-adversary nations. The closest we've heard about is with individuals in a few Arab nations. There's a key difference there, however: the Trump people aren't nearly so "forgetful" and secretive about their interactions and meetings with the Arabs with whom they've had meetings.
One Trump-connected person having Russian interaction, okay. Two, or three, alright. Some dozen of the key principals -- Trump, Kushner, Trump, Jr., Tillerson, Sessions, Manafort, etc. -- having connections with Russian figures having direct ties to Putin, though not necessarily "shady," is very unusual nexus of connections, to say the very least. (A pretty good timeline of things is here.) Why? Because Russia/Putin is a U.S. adversary, not an ally and is an adversary!
As a somewhat "posh" D.C. resident who has no role in official Washington, but who has contacts with people who are part of that set, I understand how a person happens to meet or socialize briefly with officials from foreign countries, and there's nothing untoward about doing do. Those people are living in D.C. and form acquaintanceships with people -- neighbors, someone at the gym or club they go to, etc. That's normal and one will meet and chat with them at a reception here, a party there, at a performing arts event, perhaps at a restaurant, etc. In certain social circles, Kushner's is without question one of those circles, it happens.
The thing is that when filling out a form like the SF-86, one discloses as much as one can. If that means one has to describe the event, note the details one can recall, perhaps also stating that one doesn't remember "so and so's" name, but they worked for country X and "such and such" is what we discussed...If that's the best one can do, well, it just is. What one does not do is presume that an (or several) iteration one had with foreign government principals and/or factotums isn't worth noting. That's not one's decision to make. (Obviously, one doesn't need to disclose contacts with, say, the foreign tourist to whom one gave travel directions or other individuals working in the U.S. in a non-official or non-quasi-official and/or non-business principal's capacity.)
Did Kushner do something illegal re: his interactions with Russians? I don't know. I just know that a lot of stuff isn't aligning with what one would call innocuous and/or legitimate activities and the subsequent discussions and disclosures one would make regarding such fully legit dealings. There's a lot of appearance of impropriety, illegality, afloat, but whether there is or was indeed something amiss remains to be seen.
Now, getting back to the job of an ambassador...
An ambassador's job is not to conduct state business with private citizens in the host country. An ambassador's job is to meet and conduct negotiations with official representatives of the host government. In April 2016, Kushner was not any kind of representative of the U.S. government. His father in-law hadn't secured the GOP nomination.
Reading each of the documents above, one sees that ambassadors negotiate with the government officials of the host nation.
Might an ambassador have social interactions with private citizens in the host country? Yes, but social interactions happen in public. Some elements of business and governmental interactions can happen publicly, but the substance of them does not, but they are documented and that documentation is publicly available when it's not related to classified discussion. (In April 2016, there were no classified discussions or discussions of state business appropriate to a conversation Kushner might have had with the Russian ambassador.)
Consular affairs team members aid their nation's citizens develop business opportunities in the host country, and in performing that job, the consular affairs personnel will meet with private citizens of the host nation. Their doing so doesn't raise eyebrows too much; however, it does yet raise them. If/when questions are asked about the interactions of consular affairs personnel, there will be, assuming no type of espionage/subterfuge going on, readily produced internal (consular affairs) documentation of it, and there will be corroborating documentation from other sources and parties involved somehow in the interaction(s).
That corroborating information may consist of some or all of the following, along with other types of documentation: forms and statements filed with a governmental or private sector unit/entity, emails, bills of sale, meeting minutes, memos, letters of intent, employment records, surveys, project deliverables, phone records, contracts, visa applications, etc. In contrast, when something "shady" is afoot, there're few to none of those things, for obvious reasons, the most significant of which being that in such instances, no legitimate activity was happening, thus the corresponding documentation of legitimate activity doesn't get created, particularly by third parties that would somehow play a role.
Remember, Kushner is a principal in the real estate and publishing industries. Any business enterprise he undertakes legitimately is going to require that he lay on "worker bees" of myriad types, and there will be corroborating documentation pertaining to them and connecting them with him and whatever he was coordinating.
The Ambassadors job is to meet with the people of the country they are Ambassadors in.
What do you think American Ambassador in Moscow is doing? Same thing. Grow up, libs.
No, it isn't, but I'll get to that later in the post.
The point re: Kushner is that the man was explicitly asked to detail his interactions with foreign parties and his response was that he has no such interactions. Then the man thrice amended his SF-86. Now, by his own attestation, at one event, he interacted with four ambassadors, three of whom he still hasn't identified. Given the interactions he had prior to joining the Administration, he could have put something in his SF-86, yet he put nothing, that is until it started coming out that he'd conversed with a variety of Russian officials.
On top of that, there's the fact that the nexus of his interactions has been with people who represent or carried information from/on behalf of the Russian government, not the government of an American ally, and not just non-governmentally/non-Putin aligned businesspeople/Russian citizens. And that same nexus exists for most of the other foreign policy and high level policy (in general) principals in the Trump Administration and/or campaign. WTH is/was going on that so many people around Trump, including Trump, were doing "whatever" with Russians rather than Brits, Scots, French, Italians, Spaniards, Japanese, Irish, Australians, or any of our allies.
Hell, we haven't even heard that any of the Trump people (not including Trump, Sr. have had any interactions with officials from ally or, if not allied, non-adversary nations. The closest we've heard about is with individuals in a few Arab nations. There's a key difference there, however: the Trump people aren't nearly so "forgetful" and secretive about their interactions and meetings with the Arabs with whom they've had meetings.
One Trump-connected person having Russian interaction, okay. Two, or three, alright. Some dozen of the key principals -- Trump, Kushner, Trump, Jr., Tillerson, Sessions, Manafort, etc. -- having connections with Russian figures having direct ties to Putin, though not necessarily "shady," is very unusual nexus of connections, to say the very least. (A pretty good timeline of things is here.) Why? Because Russia/Putin is a U.S. adversary, not an ally and is an adversary!
As a somewhat "posh" D.C. resident who has no role in official Washington, but who has contacts with people who are part of that set, I understand how a person happens to meet or socialize briefly with officials from foreign countries, and there's nothing untoward about doing do. Those people are living in D.C. and form acquaintanceships with people -- neighbors, someone at the gym or club they go to, etc. That's normal and one will meet and chat with them at a reception here, a party there, at a performing arts event, perhaps at a restaurant, etc. In certain social circles, Kushner's is without question one of those circles, it happens.
The thing is that when filling out a form like the SF-86, one discloses as much as one can. If that means one has to describe the event, note the details one can recall, perhaps also stating that one doesn't remember "so and so's" name, but they worked for country X and "such and such" is what we discussed...If that's the best one can do, well, it just is. What one does not do is presume that an (or several) iteration one had with foreign government principals and/or factotums isn't worth noting. That's not one's decision to make. (Obviously, one doesn't need to disclose contacts with, say, the foreign tourist to whom one gave travel directions or other individuals working in the U.S. in a non-official or non-quasi-official and/or non-business principal's capacity.)
Did Kushner do something illegal re: his interactions with Russians? I don't know. I just know that a lot of stuff isn't aligning with what one would call innocuous and/or legitimate activities and the subsequent discussions and disclosures one would make regarding such fully legit dealings. There's a lot of appearance of impropriety, illegality, afloat, but whether there is or was indeed something amiss remains to be seen.
Now, getting back to the job of an ambassador...
An ambassador's job is not to conduct state business with private citizens in the host country. An ambassador's job is to meet and conduct negotiations with official representatives of the host government. In April 2016, Kushner was not any kind of representative of the U.S. government. His father in-law hadn't secured the GOP nomination.
Reading each of the documents above, one sees that ambassadors negotiate with the government officials of the host nation.
Might an ambassador have social interactions with private citizens in the host country? Yes, but social interactions happen in public. Some elements of business and governmental interactions can happen publicly, but the substance of them does not, but they are documented and that documentation is publicly available when it's not related to classified discussion. (In April 2016, there were no classified discussions or discussions of state business appropriate to a conversation Kushner might have had with the Russian ambassador.)
Consular affairs team members aid their nation's citizens develop business opportunities in the host country, and in performing that job, the consular affairs personnel will meet with private citizens of the host nation. Their doing so doesn't raise eyebrows too much; however, it does yet raise them. If/when questions are asked about the interactions of consular affairs personnel, there will be, assuming no type of espionage/subterfuge going on, readily produced internal (consular affairs) documentation of it, and there will be corroborating documentation from other sources and parties involved somehow in the interaction(s).
That corroborating information may consist of some or all of the following, along with other types of documentation: forms and statements filed with a governmental or private sector unit/entity, emails, bills of sale, meeting minutes, memos, letters of intent, employment records, surveys, project deliverables, phone records, contracts, visa applications, etc. In contrast, when something "shady" is afoot, there're few to none of those things, for obvious reasons, the most significant of which being that in such instances, no legitimate activity was happening, thus the corresponding documentation of legitimate activity doesn't get created, particularly by third parties that would somehow play a role.
Remember, Kushner is a principal in the real estate and publishing industries. Any business enterprise he undertakes legitimately is going to require that he lay on "worker bees" of myriad types, and there will be corroborating documentation pertaining to them and connecting them with him and whatever he was coordinating.
SO WHAT? Were you there? No. Did you see what happened? No. Do you have anything other than what the lying media has fed you? No.It's nice to see people continually trying to destroy this country failing. As far as the OP, SO WHAT?
The dude didn't disclose these meetings..
People get fired for not disclosing important information..
I once had a roommate who became a CHP officer The back round check they did on her was so intense , it was very stressful..
She would have not been hired if she left things out.
Once again.....SO WHAT? Were you there? No. Did you see what happened? No. Do you have anything other than what the lying media has fed you? No.SO WHAT? Were you there? No. Did you see what happened? No. Do you have anything other than what the lying media has fed you? No.It's nice to see people continually trying to destroy this country failing. As far as the OP, SO WHAT?
The dude didn't disclose these meetings..
People get fired for not disclosing important information..
I once had a roommate who became a CHP officer The back round check they did on her was so intense , it was very stressful..
She would have not been hired if she left things out.
So Kushner is being interviewed today at the Russian Investigation panel because he disclosed information?...lol..this is the reason he is there today Mike.
So Kushner is being interviewed today at the Russian Investigation panel because he disclosed information?...lol..this is the reason he is there today Mike.
When it became apparent that my father-in-law was going to be the Republican nominee for President, as normally happens, a number of officials from foreign countries attempted to reach out to the campaign. My father-in-law asked me to be a point of contact with these foreign countries [...] over the course of the campaign, I had incoming contacts with people from approximately 15 countries.
I tried to be respectful of any foreign government contacts with whom it would be important to maintain an ongoing, productive working relationship were the candidate to prevail. [...] I do not recall any [phone] calls with the Russian Ambassador
The only other Russian contact during the campaign is one I did not recall at all until I was reviewing documents and emails in response to congressional requests for information.
As I had done in other meetings with foreign officials, [on December 1, 2016,] I asked Ambassador Kislyak if he would identify the best person (whether the Ambassador or someone else) with whom to have direct discussions and who had contact with his President.
The fact that I was asking about ways to start a dialogue after Election Day should of course be viewed as strong evidence that I was not aware of one that existed before Election Day.
The Ambassador expressed similar sentiments about relations, and then said he especially wanted to address U.S. policy in Syria.
[In several instances in his statement, Kushner indicates he didn't initiate the contact with Russian officials.]
on December 6, the Embassy asked if I could meet with the Ambassador on December 7. I declined. They then asked if I could meet on December 6; I declined again. They then asked when the earliest was that I could meet. I declined these requests because I was working on many other responsibilities for the transition. He asked if he could meet my assistant instead and, to avoid offending the Ambassador, I agreed.
My assistant reported that the Ambassador had requested that I meet with a person named Sergey Gorkov who he said was a banker and someone with a direct line to the Russian President who could give insight into how Putin was viewing the new administration and best ways to work together. I agreed to meet Mr. Gorkov because the Ambassador has been so insistent, said he had a direct relationship with the President, and because Mr. Gorkov was only in New York for a couple days. I made room on my schedule for the meeting that occurred the next day, on December 13.
[Kushner ostensibly describes the meeting's discussion topics.]
my SF-86 application was prematurely submitted due to a miscommunication and initially did not list any contacts (not just with Russians) with foreign government officials.
In the week before the Inauguration, amid the scramble of finalizing the unwinding of my involvement from my company, moving my family to Washington, completing the paper work to divest assets and resign from my outside positions and complete my security and financial disclosure forms, people at my New York office were helping me find the information, organize it, review it and put it into the electronic form.
The only other Russian contact during the campaign is one I did not recall at all until I was reviewing documents and emails in response to congressional requests for information.
It has been reported that my submission omitted only contacts with Russians. That is not the case. In the accidental early submission of the form, all foreign contacts were omitted.
I do hope other Russian citizens see how much a danger Democrats are to our nation's living in peace.The Ambassadors job is to meet with the people of the country they are Ambassadors in.
What do you think American Ambassador in Moscow is doing? Same thing. Grow up, libs.
Because to be brutally honest they want dead Russians. This blame the Russians for their never ending liberal failures in policy and practice is childish bullshit. But their bullshit given its will is deadly for both countries.
The Russians are not guilty of liberal Democrat failures. And as we have seen liberal Democrats are truly trying their best to make Russian life harder. You may ask yourself why and the answers are simple. The Democrat party of today is stolidly built and design on the Soviet era politics. It upsets them that you left that and they seek to punish you just like the Soviet era did when you sought freedom from it.
American Democrats are American communists and their roots with the Soviet Union go back almost 100 years in this country. The American Communist party pretty much started here in 1920 and joined with Democrats directly in the 1960s. Hillary Clinton studied hard core Soviet policy in college and wrote her thesis supporting it!
Barrak Obama aka shit stain studied under trained Soviet terrorists dorn and Ayers. Now there is more then enough proof to show that shit stain worked with directly with islamic terrorists. So Americans are faced with two groups of terrorists. Islamic terrorists on the outside and Soviet trained American Communists called Democrats on the inside.
The problems of dealing with terrorists both over seas and in our nation's will simply not go away until our citizens of both countries realize they need to be dealt with quickly and harshly. And I do mean harshly. Fuck the UN as they are nothing but a cover for Soviet light. Soviet era communist and islamics need dead. We do not need them to be our moral compass. The global world will be just fine celebrating Russian and American pride at the same time.
Hope that helps
Fury
I lived in Soviet Union. Soviets have never been as crazy as American liberals are today. And in spite of all Soviet brainwashing and telling us how bad America was, we were joking about Soviets and never hated America. Feel the difference.
I do hope other Russian citizens see how much a danger Democrats are to our nation's living in peace.The Ambassadors job is to meet with the people of the country they are Ambassadors in.
What do you think American Ambassador in Moscow is doing? Same thing. Grow up, libs.
Because to be brutally honest they want dead Russians. This blame the Russians for their never ending liberal failures in policy and practice is childish bullshit. But their bullshit given its will is deadly for both countries.
The Russians are not guilty of liberal Democrat failures. And as we have seen liberal Democrats are truly trying their best to make Russian life harder. You may ask yourself why and the answers are simple. The Democrat party of today is stolidly built and design on the Soviet era politics. It upsets them that you left that and they seek to punish you just like the Soviet era did when you sought freedom from it.
American Democrats are American communists and their roots with the Soviet Union go back almost 100 years in this country. The American Communist party pretty much started here in 1920 and joined with Democrats directly in the 1960s. Hillary Clinton studied hard core Soviet policy in college and wrote her thesis supporting it!
Barrak Obama aka shit stain studied under trained Soviet terrorists dorn and Ayers. Now there is more then enough proof to show that shit stain worked with directly with islamic terrorists. So Americans are faced with two groups of terrorists. Islamic terrorists on the outside and Soviet trained American Communists called Democrats on the inside.
The problems of dealing with terrorists both over seas and in our nation's will simply not go away until our citizens of both countries realize they need to be dealt with quickly and harshly. And I do mean harshly. Fuck the UN as they are nothing but a cover for Soviet light. Soviet era communist and islamics need dead. We do not need them to be our moral compass. The global world will be just fine celebrating Russian and American pride at the same time.
Hope that helps
Fury
I lived in Soviet Union. Soviets have never been as crazy as American liberals are today. And in spite of all Soviet brainwashing and telling us how bad America was, we were joking about Soviets and never hated America. Feel the difference.
"Soviets have never been as crazy as American liberals are today."
"Ronald Reagan, though dismissed by Europeans as a second-rate actor and fondler of cue cards, possessed that magic faculty that separates run-of-the mill politicos from history-molding leaders. "I didn't understand", recalls Time's Joe Klein, "how truly monumental, and morally important, Reagan's anti-communism was until I visited the Soviet Union in 1987." He continues with a seemingly trivial vignette. Attending the Bolshoi Ballet, he was nudged by his minder: "'Ronald Reagan. Evil empire', he whispered with dramatic intensity and shot a glance toward his lap where he had hidden two enthusiastic thumbs up. 'Yes!'"
When an American president manages to pluck the soul strings of those who have been raised to fear and despise what he represents, he surely deserves the honorific 'great.'
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