Write down! I am an Arab

[amity1844]

If it were possible to quantify anything as abstract as “influence,” it might be found that Mahmoud Darwish carried the greatest influence among Palestinians in the 20th century.

He was born in Al-Birwa, a village which was razed during the implementation of Plan Dalet in 1948. His family was made [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Present_absentees"]present absentees, a uniquely Israeli legal concept, and eventually he wound up in Haifa. At a young age he joined the Israeli communist party, Rakah, which at that time was virtually the only Israeli institution where Jews and Arabs were on equal footing. His poems were first published in the literary periodical, Al Jadid, and eventually he became its editor. He made his public debut at a Nazareth theater in 1965, where at the age of 24 he read what was to become his most iconic poem, Identity Card (Bitaqat Hawiyya).

Write down! I am an Arab.
And my number is 50,000
And I have eight children
And the ninth will be born after summer.
Will you be angry?

The crowd erupted in tumult, and within weeks Identity Card was familiar all over the Arab world. It coalesced Palestinian national feeling around a nascent resistance movement and linked it to pan-Arabism, which ultimately led to Mahmoud Darwish being placed under house arrest in Haifa. By the late 1960s he made the decision, gut wrenching for any Palestinian, to go into exile and ultimately went to Beirut, where he joined the resistance in 1973.

One of the recurring motifs in his poetry was that of a woman, a lover named Rita, usually seen to be the personification of Palestine. Mahmoud Darwish said that Rita was in fact a real woman, his first lover, an Israeli woman. In the film linked below, I am blown away to see that after his death an Israeli television station identified and interviewed her about her relationship with him. Her real name turns out to have been Tamar.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHeJKlPAzXE]Write Down,I am an Arab 2014 Eng Subs - YouTube[/ame]

“He considered himself to be also a part of the Jewish civilization that existed in Palestine and hoped for a reconciliation between the Palestinians and the Jews. When this happens, "the Jew will not be ashamed to find an Arab element in himself, and the Arab will not be ashamed to declare that he incorporates Jewish elements.”
Almog Behar in “Mahmood Darwish: Poetry’s State of Siege.” In Journal of Levantine Studies

Mahmoud Darwish died in 2008 at the age of 67 following heart surgery.

The poems of Mahmoud Darwish online:
ÖÝÇÝ :: Modern Arabic Poetry :: Mahmoud Darwish

 

[Mojo2]

Islamists are actively working to dominate the world.

All religions all nations and all people would exist at the pleasure of the Islamist Caliph and/or the dictates of Islamic law.

All who were not Muslim males would be lesser citizens.

Whether or not your poetry is true or beautiful or not...

Whether you and your family or your friends are good and decent people or not, is secondary.

The fact is that people in your religion are attempting to do a bad thing.

They are COUNTING on you making friends with us so THEY will be better able to hide among us as they perform their secret Jihad.

 

[Kondor3]

"And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the kid, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them." - Isaiah 11:6

Charming sentiments.

Completely unworkable concept in the context of the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

 

[amity1844]

Islamists are actively working to dominate the world.

All religions all nations and all people would exist at the pleasure of the Islamist Caliph and/or the dictates of Islamic law.

All who were not Muslim males would be lesser citizens.

Whether or not your poetry is true or beautiful or not...

Whether you and your family or your friends are good and decent people or not, is secondary.

The fact is that people in your religion are attempting to do a bad thing.

They are COUNTING on you making friends with us so THEY will be better able to hide among us as they perform their secret Jihad.

Do you mean Baptists? No of course not, you mean Muslims. So I guess I will have to use up bandwidth to talk about some Christian Palestinians.

Look out, I might start with George Habash.

 

[Sally]

Islamists are actively working to dominate the world.

All religions all nations and all people would exist at the pleasure of the Islamist Caliph and/or the dictates of Islamic law.

All who were not Muslim males would be lesser citizens.

Whether or not your poetry is true or beautiful or not...

Whether you and your family or your friends are good and decent people or not, is secondary.

The fact is that people in your religion are attempting to do a bad thing.

They are COUNTING on you making friends with us so THEY will be better able to hide among us as they perform their secret Jihad.

Do you mean Baptists? No of course not, you mean Muslims. So I guess I will have to use up bandwidth to talk about some Christian Palestinians.

Look out, I might start with George Habash.

Oh, you mean this George Habash???

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/world/middleeast/27habash.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

[Mojo2]

Islamists are actively working to dominate the world.

All religions all nations and all people would exist at the pleasure of the Islamist Caliph and/or the dictates of Islamic law.

All who were not Muslim males would be lesser citizens.

Whether or not your poetry is true or beautiful or not...

Whether you and your family or your friends are good and decent people or not, is secondary.

The fact is that people in your religion are attempting to do a bad thing.

They are COUNTING on you making friends with us so THEY will be better able to hide among us as they perform their secret Jihad.

Do you mean Baptists? No of course not, you mean Muslims. So I guess I will have to use up bandwidth to talk about some Christian Palestinians.

Look out, I might start with George Habash.

As you wish or not.

The matter will ALWAYS boil down to whether you or any non Muslim recognizes the threat that Islam poses to their future freedom and liberties.

 

[amity1844]

As you wish or not.

The matter will ALWAYS boil down to whether you or any non Muslim recognizes the threat that Islam poses to their future freedom and liberties.

Don't focus too much on Islam. First of all, I think the pendulum is already swinging the other way again. Hamas would not win a majority if the election were held today.
Secondly, I really don't think Islam poses a threat to our future freedom and liberties. and NO I don't want you trying to persuade me otherwise.

 

[Sally]

As you wish or not.

The matter will ALWAYS boil down to whether you or any non Muslim recognizes the threat that Islam poses to their future freedom and liberties.

Don't focus too much on Islam. First of all, I think the pendulum is already swinging the other way again. Hamas would not win a majority if the election were held today.
Secondly, I really don't think Islam poses a threat to our future freedom and liberties. and NO I don't want you trying to persuade me otherwise.

I don't think anyone can persuade you of anything, Amity. In your own mind, you are always right even if all the Muslim leaders in the world told you otherwise. As for Hamas, don't bet on them not winning a majority.

Anyhow, I think everyone should watch the documentary The Third Jihad about how the Muslims plan on taking over America. The narrator is Dr. Jasser, a Muslim himself.

 

[P F Tinmore]

If it were possible to quantify anything as abstract as “influence,” it might be found that Mahmoud Darwish carried the greatest influence among Palestinians in the 20th century.

He was born in Al-Birwa, a village which was razed during the implementation of Plan Dalet in 1948. His family was made [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Present_absentees"]present absentees, a uniquely Israeli legal concept, and eventually he wound up in Haifa. At a young age he joined the Israeli communist party, Rakah, which at that time was virtually the only Israeli institution where Jews and Arabs were on equal footing. His poems were first published in the literary periodical, Al Jadid, and eventually he became its editor. He made his public debut at a Nazareth theater in 1965, where at the age of 24 he read what was to become his most iconic poem, Identity Card (Bitaqat Hawiyya).

Write down! I am an Arab.
And my number is 50,000
And I have eight children
And the ninth will be born after summer.
Will you be angry?

The crowd erupted in tumult, and within weeks Identity Card was familiar all over the Arab world. It coalesced Palestinian national feeling around a nascent resistance movement and linked it to pan-Arabism, which ultimately led to Mahmoud Darwish being placed under house arrest in Haifa. By the late 1960s he made the decision, gut wrenching for any Palestinian, to go into exile and ultimately went to Beirut, where he joined the resistance in 1973.

One of the recurring motifs in his poetry was that of a woman, a lover named Rita, usually seen to be the personification of Palestine. Mahmoud Darwish said that Rita was in fact a real woman, his first lover, an Israeli woman. In the film linked below, I am blown away to see that after his death an Israeli television station identified and interviewed her about her relationship with him. Her real name turns out to have been Tamar.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHeJKlPAzXE]Write Down,I am an Arab 2014 Eng Subs - YouTube[/ame]

“He considered himself to be also a part of the Jewish civilization that existed in Palestine and hoped for a reconciliation between the Palestinians and the Jews. When this happens, "the Jew will not be ashamed to find an Arab element in himself, and the Arab will not be ashamed to declare that he incorporates Jewish elements.”
Almog Behar in “Mahmood Darwish: Poetry’s State of Siege.” In Journal of Levantine Studies

Mahmoud Darwish died in 2008 at the age of 67 following heart surgery.

The poems of Mahmoud Darwish online:
ÖÝÇÝ :: Modern Arabic Poetry :: Mahmoud Darwish

Ala goes to Ramallah to meet up with a friend Bisam in Che Vatche where Mahmoud used to go out with his friends, the girls talk about Mahmoud Darwish birthday celebration that Ala missed a day and about his life in general. Then both of them go to Mahmoud Darwishs tomb next to Cultural Palace in Ramallah.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345GEk19U2I]14 Sleepless Gaza Jerusalem.mpg - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Roudy]

All these great Lebanese Christian Arab leaders, that Palestinian / Muslim animals killed because of their religion. Just another example of the "tolerance" of Islam:

Assassinations in Lebanon: A History (1970s to the Present)

March 16, 1977: Kamal Jumblatt, 60, leader of Lebanon’s Druze community, a member of the Lebanese Parliament and a Socialist-nationalist supporter of Palestinians, is assassinated by the Syrian Social Nationalist Party — which Jumblatt had legalized as interior minister some years earlier. Jumblatt was also the founder of the Progressive Socialist Party. He is succeeded by his son, Walid.

June 13, 1978: Tony Frangieh, 36, the son of former Lebanese President Suleiman Frangieh, a Christian Maronite, is assassinated at his home in Ehden, in northern-Lebanon, along with his 2-year-old daughter, his wife, and 32 supporters, in the course of a long battle with the Christian Phalangist militia of Bashir Gemayel, a rival.

The 1980s

March 9, 1980, Salim Lawzi, editor of the London-based Arabic weekly Al Hawadess (the events) is found dead in Beirut. Unidentified gunmen had kidnapped him and his wife two weeks earlier as he drove to Beirut airport. The gunmen had released Lawzi's wife.

July 23, 1980, Riyad Taha, 53, a publisher and for 13 years the president of the Lebanese Publishers' Association, is machinegunned to death with his chauffeur in front of Beirut's Hotel Continental after a chase through the city. The assailants get away. The assassination is never investigated. Taha was a critic of Syrian occupation.

September 14, 1982: Lebanese President-elect Bashir Gemayel, 34, is assassinated when a bomb demolishes the building housing his Phalangist Party headquarters, where he had been meeting with staff.

November 22, 1989: Lebanese President René Moawad, 64, in office just 17 days, is assassinated as his car is blasted by a bomb on his return from Independence Day ceremonies in West Beirut. Twenty-three other people are killed. Moawad, a Maronite Christian, had sought to establish a unity government to end the Lebanese civil war, then in its 14th year.

The 1990s

October 21, 1990: Dany Chamoun, 56, a Maronite Christian and the son of former Lebanese President Camille Chamoun, is assassinated at his home in East Beirut by gunmen posing as Lebanese army soldiers. His wife and two sons are also murdered. Chamoun had been an ally of Gen. Michel Aoun, the renegade army general who’d opposed the Syrian-backed Government of President Elias Hrawi. Chamoun was also a rival to Samir Geagea, a ruthless Christian militia who, in a war ruinous to the Christian community, unsuccessfully fought Aoun for military leadership of Lebanon’s Christians.

The 2000s

February 14, 2005: Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, 60, is assassinated as a 1,000-pound truck bomb explodes while Hariri’s convoy travels near the St. George Hotel on Beirut’s seafront. Hariri, a Sunni Muslim formerly accommodating of Syria, had become a staunch critic of Syria’s occupation of Lebanon. His assassination triggers massive rallies in opposition to the occupation. The so-called Cedar Revolution leads to the withdrawal of Syrian troops that spring, after a 29-year occupation.

June 2, 2005: Samir Kassir, 45, influential Christian author, columnist and relentless critic of Syria at the leading Lebanese Arabic-language daily Al-Nahar, is assassinated when a bomb under the seat of his Alfa Romeo explodes as he stepped into his car in Christian East Beirut. His father was Lebanese-Palestinian, his mother was Syrian.

December 12, 2005: Gebran Tueni, 48, a Christian member of Parliament and publisher of the Lebanese Arabic-language daily Al-Nahar, is killed by a remote-controlled car bomb. Al Nahar is a critic of Syria. Two security workers are also killed. Tueni had fled Lebanon the previous August in fear for his life but had recently returned.

June 21, 2006: Pierre Gemayel, 34, a Lebanese cabinet minister and opponent of Syrian influence in Lebanon, is gunned down in his car. Gemayel was the son of former Lebanese president Amin Gemayel (whose brother, Bashir, was assassinated in 1982, days before becoming president), and the grandson of Pierre Gemayel, founder of the right-wing Christian Phalangist — or Kataeb — Party.

September 19, 2007: Antoine Ghanem, 64, a Christian member of Parliament and a member of the anti-Syrian March 14 coalition, is assassinated by a car bomb as he drove through Sin al-Fil, a Christian suburb of Beirut. His bodyguard is also killed. Ghanem was a member of the Christian Phalange Party. Ghanem had fled Lebanon in fear for his life, returning just two days before the assassination.

December 12, 2007: Brig. Gen. François al-Hajj, 54, is assassinated by a 77-pound car bomb that explodes as he drove by, on his way to work at the Defense Ministry. Al-Hajj had been one of the commander of the battle of Nahr el-Bared, when the Lebanese army defeated a militant Palestinian cell. Al-Hajj was to succeed Gen. Michel Suleiman, the army chief who became Lebanon’s president in 2008.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You can't leave Israel out of all that bloodshed.

1982: The Phalangists cooperates with Israel, in planning an attack on Lebanon.
— June 6: Israel invades Lebanon from its southern border, and its forces start advancing north, reaching Beirut in short time.
— September: The Phalangists have become the strongest party in Lebanon, thanks to the aid of Israel.
— September 13: Bashir Gemayel is killed few days before he is to be sworn in as president of Lebanon.
— September 16: As a way of retaliating the killing of Gemayel, the Phalange militia gets help from the Israeli army to close off the Palestinian quarters of Sabra and Chatila. Then a campaign of killing 2,000 Palestinian civilians over the next 3 days. This stands as one of the most dramatic moments from the 16 year long civil war.

Phalangists - LookLex Encyclopaedia

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

As you wish or not.

The matter will ALWAYS boil down to whether you or any non Muslim recognizes the threat that Islam poses to their future freedom and liberties.

Don't focus too much on Islam. First of all, I think the pendulum is already swinging the other way again. Hamas would not win a majority if the election were held today.
Secondly, I really don't think Islam poses a threat to our future freedom and liberties. and NO I don't want you trying to persuade me otherwise.

I don't think anyone can persuade you of anything, Amity. In your own mind, you are always right even if all the Muslim leaders in the world told you otherwise. As for Hamas, don't bet on them not winning a majority.

Anyhow, I think everyone should watch the documentary The Third Jihad about how the Muslims plan on taking over America. The narrator is Dr. Jasser, a Muslim himself.

Here is the documentary you mention.



Published on Nov 21, 2012
(Clarion Project | Challenging Islamic Extremism - Promoting Dialogue) The Third Jihad is a film that exposes the threat that Islamic extremism poses to the American way of life. In 1988, the FBI discovered a secret Muslim Brotherhood document which laid out their plans to replace the Constitution with Islamic Sharia law.

The document stated that "The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers..."

One person who dared to speak out about the Islamist threat is Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, a devout Muslim-American who served as an officer in the U.S. navy and also as a physician to the US Congress.

After the FBI released the radical Islamist manifesto describing how to destroy America from within, Dr. Jasser decided to investigate.

The Third Jihad is about what he discovered.

Clarion Project (formerly Clarion Fund) brings together Middle East experts, scholars, human rights activists and Muslims to promote tolerance and moderation and challenge extremism.

Check out Clarion Project's website to learn more: Clarion Project | Challenging Islamic Extremism - Promoting Dialogue

DVD's can be purchased here: The Third Jihad

 

[Phoenall]

Islamists are actively working to dominate the world.

All religions all nations and all people would exist at the pleasure of the Islamist Caliph and/or the dictates of Islamic law.

All who were not Muslim males would be lesser citizens.

Whether or not your poetry is true or beautiful or not...

Whether you and your family or your friends are good and decent people or not, is secondary.

The fact is that people in your religion are attempting to do a bad thing.

They are COUNTING on you making friends with us so THEY will be better able to hide among us as they perform their secret Jihad.

Do you mean Baptists? No of course not, you mean Muslims. So I guess I will have to use up bandwidth to talk about some Christian Palestinians.

Look out, I might start with George Habash.

You do that, and I will counter with the Koran and hadiths that tell of the commands from allah the moon godling for the muslims to dominate the world by force and violence.

 

[Phoenall]

As you wish or not.

The matter will ALWAYS boil down to whether you or any non Muslim recognizes the threat that Islam poses to their future freedom and liberties.

Don't focus too much on Islam. First of all, I think the pendulum is already swinging the other way again. Hamas would not win a majority if the election were held today.
Secondly, I really don't think Islam poses a threat to our future freedom and liberties. and NO I don't want you trying to persuade me otherwise.

Islam is a global threat and will stop at nothing to gain absolute power, but they fail to learn their lessons when it comes to defeat. The world sees islam for what it is a terrorist organisation that will destroy the world and its people so they can rule it all for just one day.

Never forget the Gates of Vienna when the muslim horde was finally turned back and expelled from Europe. We can do it again if we want to and this time we wont stop until we reach the heart of islam in Mecca.

 

[Phoenall]

If it were possible to quantify anything as abstract as “influence,” it might be found that Mahmoud Darwish carried the greatest influence among Palestinians in the 20th century.

He was born in Al-Birwa, a village which was razed during the implementation of Plan Dalet in 1948. His family was made [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Present_absentees"]present absentees, a uniquely Israeli legal concept, and eventually he wound up in Haifa. At a young age he joined the Israeli communist party, Rakah, which at that time was virtually the only Israeli institution where Jews and Arabs were on equal footing. His poems were first published in the literary periodical, Al Jadid, and eventually he became its editor. He made his public debut at a Nazareth theater in 1965, where at the age of 24 he read what was to become his most iconic poem, Identity Card (Bitaqat Hawiyya).

Write down! I am an Arab.
And my number is 50,000
And I have eight children
And the ninth will be born after summer.
Will you be angry?

The crowd erupted in tumult, and within weeks Identity Card was familiar all over the Arab world. It coalesced Palestinian national feeling around a nascent resistance movement and linked it to pan-Arabism, which ultimately led to Mahmoud Darwish being placed under house arrest in Haifa. By the late 1960s he made the decision, gut wrenching for any Palestinian, to go into exile and ultimately went to Beirut, where he joined the resistance in 1973.

One of the recurring motifs in his poetry was that of a woman, a lover named Rita, usually seen to be the personification of Palestine. Mahmoud Darwish said that Rita was in fact a real woman, his first lover, an Israeli woman. In the film linked below, I am blown away to see that after his death an Israeli television station identified and interviewed her about her relationship with him. Her real name turns out to have been Tamar.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHeJKlPAzXE]Write Down,I am an Arab 2014 Eng Subs - YouTube[/ame]

“He considered himself to be also a part of the Jewish civilization that existed in Palestine and hoped for a reconciliation between the Palestinians and the Jews. When this happens, "the Jew will not be ashamed to find an Arab element in himself, and the Arab will not be ashamed to declare that he incorporates Jewish elements.”
Almog Behar in “Mahmood Darwish: Poetry’s State of Siege.” In Journal of Levantine Studies

Mahmoud Darwish died in 2008 at the age of 67 following heart surgery.

The poems of Mahmoud Darwish online:
ÖÝÇÝ :: Modern Arabic Poetry :: Mahmoud Darwish

Ala goes to Ramallah to meet up with a friend Bisam in Che Vatche where Mahmoud used to go out with his friends, the girls talk about Mahmoud Darwish birthday celebration that Ala missed a day and about his life in general. Then both of them go to Mahmoud Darwishs tomb next to Cultural Palace in Ramallah.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345GEk19U2I]14 Sleepless Gaza Jerusalem.mpg - YouTube[/ame]

Didn't your last video dispel this PALLYWOOD LIE and show that gaza was a rich and well fed nation. No evidence of any deprivation, starvation, siege, hardship, dead bodies, warfare or Israeli atrocities.

So which was the LIE tinman

 

[Phoenall]

You can't leave Israel out of all that bloodshed.

1982: The Phalangists cooperates with Israel, in planning an attack on Lebanon.
— June 6: Israel invades Lebanon from its southern border, and its forces start advancing north, reaching Beirut in short time.
— September: The Phalangists have become the strongest party in Lebanon, thanks to the aid of Israel.
— September 13: Bashir Gemayel is killed few days before he is to be sworn in as president of Lebanon.
— September 16: As a way of retaliating the killing of Gemayel, the Phalange militia gets help from the Israeli army to close off the Palestinian quarters of Sabra and Chatila. Then a campaign of killing 2,000 Palestinian civilians over the next 3 days. This stands as one of the most dramatic moments from the 16 year long civil war.

Phalangists - LookLex Encyclopaedia

How about telling the truth for a change, start with the fact that the Phalangists were Lebanese.
The Israelis retaliated to terrorist attacks from muslims
And destroying the Palestinian terrorists
By Palestinian terrorists
In retaliation to Palestinian atrocities against Christians in Lebanon

These are the real facts not your LIES above, why don't you ask a Lebanese Christian all about the Palestinians attempts at taking over.

 

[P F Tinmore]

If it were possible to quantify anything as abstract as “influence,” it might be found that Mahmoud Darwish carried the greatest influence among Palestinians in the 20th century.

He was born in Al-Birwa, a village which was razed during the implementation of Plan Dalet in 1948. His family was made [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Present_absentees"]present absentees, a uniquely Israeli legal concept, and eventually he wound up in Haifa. At a young age he joined the Israeli communist party, Rakah, which at that time was virtually the only Israeli institution where Jews and Arabs were on equal footing. His poems were first published in the literary periodical, Al Jadid, and eventually he became its editor. He made his public debut at a Nazareth theater in 1965, where at the age of 24 he read what was to become his most iconic poem, Identity Card (Bitaqat Hawiyya).



The crowd erupted in tumult, and within weeks Identity Card was familiar all over the Arab world. It coalesced Palestinian national feeling around a nascent resistance movement and linked it to pan-Arabism, which ultimately led to Mahmoud Darwish being placed under house arrest in Haifa. By the late 1960s he made the decision, gut wrenching for any Palestinian, to go into exile and ultimately went to Beirut, where he joined the resistance in 1973.

One of the recurring motifs in his poetry was that of a woman, a lover named Rita, usually seen to be the personification of Palestine. Mahmoud Darwish said that Rita was in fact a real woman, his first lover, an Israeli woman. In the film linked below, I am blown away to see that after his death an Israeli television station identified and interviewed her about her relationship with him. Her real name turns out to have been Tamar.

Write Down,I am an Arab 2014 Eng Subs - YouTube




Mahmoud Darwish died in 2008 at the age of 67 following heart surgery.

The poems of Mahmoud Darwish online:
ÖÝÇÝ :: Modern Arabic Poetry :: Mahmoud Darwish

Ala goes to Ramallah to meet up with a friend Bisam in Che Vatche where Mahmoud used to go out with his friends, the girls talk about Mahmoud Darwish birthday celebration that Ala missed a day and about his life in general. Then both of them go to Mahmoud Darwishs tomb next to Cultural Palace in Ramallah.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345GEk19U2I]14 Sleepless Gaza Jerusalem.mpg - YouTube[/ame]

Didn't your last video dispel this PALLYWOOD LIE and show that gaza was a rich and well fed nation. No evidence of any deprivation, starvation, siege, hardship, dead bodies, warfare or Israeli atrocities.

So which was the LIE tinman

Neither.

 

[amity1844]

As you wish or not.

The matter will ALWAYS boil down to whether you or any non Muslim recognizes the threat that Islam poses to their future freedom and liberties.

Don't focus too much on Islam. First of all, I think the pendulum is already swinging the other way again. Hamas would not win a majority if the election were held today.
Secondly, I really don't think Islam poses a threat to our future freedom and liberties. and NO I don't want you trying to persuade me otherwise.

I don't think anyone can persuade you of anything, Amity. In your own mind, you are always right even if all the Muslim leaders in the world told you otherwise. As for Hamas, don't bet on them not winning a majority.

Anyhow, I think everyone should watch the documentary The Third Jihad about how the Muslims plan on taking over America. The narrator is Dr. Jasser, a Muslim himself.

This is total paranoia. Yes, I'm sure you can come up with a source. It is still just paranoia. I don't think we can cure that ... let's just try to see through it.

 

[amity1844]

You do that, and I will counter with the Koran and hadiths that tell of the commands from allah the moon godling for the muslims to dominate the world by force and violence.

This is utterly irresponsible hate mongering.

 

[amity1844]

All these great Lebanese Christian Arab leaders, that Palestinian / Muslim animals killed because of their religion. Just another example of the "tolerance" of Islam:

Assassinations in Lebanon: A History (1970s to the Present)

March 16, 1977: Kamal Jumblatt, 60, leader of Lebanon’s Druze community, a member of the Lebanese Parliament and a Socialist-nationalist supporter of Palestinians, is assassinated by the Syrian Social Nationalist Party — which Jumblatt had legalized as interior minister some years earlier. Jumblatt was also the founder of the Progressive Socialist Party. He is succeeded by his son, Walid.

June 13, 1978: Tony Frangieh, 36, the son of former Lebanese President Suleiman Frangieh, a Christian Maronite, is assassinated at his home in Ehden, in northern-Lebanon, along with his 2-year-old daughter, his wife, and 32 supporters, in the course of a long battle with the Christian Phalangist militia of Bashir Gemayel, a rival.

The 1980s

March 9, 1980, Salim Lawzi, editor of the London-based Arabic weekly Al Hawadess (the events) is found dead in Beirut. Unidentified gunmen had kidnapped him and his wife two weeks earlier as he drove to Beirut airport. The gunmen had released Lawzi's wife.

July 23, 1980, Riyad Taha, 53, a publisher and for 13 years the president of the Lebanese Publishers' Association, is machinegunned to death with his chauffeur in front of Beirut's Hotel Continental after a chase through the city. The assailants get away. The assassination is never investigated. Taha was a critic of Syrian occupation.

September 14, 1982: Lebanese President-elect Bashir Gemayel, 34, is assassinated when a bomb demolishes the building housing his Phalangist Party headquarters, where he had been meeting with staff.

November 22, 1989: Lebanese President René Moawad, 64, in office just 17 days, is assassinated as his car is blasted by a bomb on his return from Independence Day ceremonies in West Beirut. Twenty-three other people are killed. Moawad, a Maronite Christian, had sought to establish a unity government to end the Lebanese civil war, then in its 14th year.

The 1990s

October 21, 1990: Dany Chamoun, 56, a Maronite Christian and the son of former Lebanese President Camille Chamoun, is assassinated at his home in East Beirut by gunmen posing as Lebanese army soldiers. His wife and two sons are also murdered. Chamoun had been an ally of Gen. Michel Aoun, the renegade army general who’d opposed the Syrian-backed Government of President Elias Hrawi. Chamoun was also a rival to Samir Geagea, a ruthless Christian militia who, in a war ruinous to the Christian community, unsuccessfully fought Aoun for military leadership of Lebanon’s Christians.

The 2000s

February 14, 2005: Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, 60, is assassinated as a 1,000-pound truck bomb explodes while Hariri’s convoy travels near the St. George Hotel on Beirut’s seafront. Hariri, a Sunni Muslim formerly accommodating of Syria, had become a staunch critic of Syria’s occupation of Lebanon. His assassination triggers massive rallies in opposition to the occupation. The so-called Cedar Revolution leads to the withdrawal of Syrian troops that spring, after a 29-year occupation.

June 2, 2005: Samir Kassir, 45, influential Christian author, columnist and relentless critic of Syria at the leading Lebanese Arabic-language daily Al-Nahar, is assassinated when a bomb under the seat of his Alfa Romeo explodes as he stepped into his car in Christian East Beirut. His father was Lebanese-Palestinian, his mother was Syrian.

December 12, 2005: Gebran Tueni, 48, a Christian member of Parliament and publisher of the Lebanese Arabic-language daily Al-Nahar, is killed by a remote-controlled car bomb. Al Nahar is a critic of Syria. Two security workers are also killed. Tueni had fled Lebanon the previous August in fear for his life but had recently returned.

June 21, 2006: Pierre Gemayel, 34, a Lebanese cabinet minister and opponent of Syrian influence in Lebanon, is gunned down in his car. Gemayel was the son of former Lebanese president Amin Gemayel (whose brother, Bashir, was assassinated in 1982, days before becoming president), and the grandson of Pierre Gemayel, founder of the right-wing Christian Phalangist — or Kataeb — Party.

September 19, 2007: Antoine Ghanem, 64, a Christian member of Parliament and a member of the anti-Syrian March 14 coalition, is assassinated by a car bomb as he drove through Sin al-Fil, a Christian suburb of Beirut. His bodyguard is also killed. Ghanem was a member of the Christian Phalange Party. Ghanem had fled Lebanon in fear for his life, returning just two days before the assassination.

December 12, 2007: Brig. Gen. François al-Hajj, 54, is assassinated by a 77-pound car bomb that explodes as he drove by, on his way to work at the Defense Ministry. Al-Hajj had been one of the commander of the battle of Nahr el-Bared, when the Lebanese army defeated a militant Palestinian cell. Al-Hajj was to succeed Gen. Michel Suleiman, the army chief who became Lebanon’s president in 2008.

Thanks for trying to help, Roudy, but I am afraid it is much worse than this.
Too late we know that it was the Israelis who told the Phalange that Palestinians had killed Bashir Gemayel, which was totally fabricated, and then surrounded Sabra and Shatila firing flares to light the way while they butchered over 3000 unarmed civilians.