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Fair enough.Allah, the Muslim god, perhaps with characteristics of the pagan Arabian moon god (although I'm sure Muslims would protest this)... yes, I believe there is a spiritual being whose followers call him "Allah." But he is not the Creator God of the Universe, the One Who IS. "Allah" is a created being, deceiving people into worshipping him.
This is the way in which I "acknowledge" Allah.
Allah, the Muslim god, perhaps with characteristics of the pagan Arabian moon god (although I'm sure Muslims would protest this)... yes, I believe there is a spiritual being whose followers call him "Allah." But he is not the Creator God of the Universe, the One Who IS. "Allah" is a created being, deceiving people into worshipping him.
This is the way in which I "acknowledge" Allah.
And people wonder why I call people who believe in a God "stupid".
And people wonder why I call people who believe in a God "stupid".
I don't know where to begin with this goofy thread.
Maybe like this. The question is whether you would vote for someone who believes in God. Muslims, Jews and Christians believe in God. Whether or not some of you approve of the God they believe in doesn't negate the meaning of the question. The Muslim and the Jew THINK they believe in God and that is the determining factor. To make this obvious point easier for some of you to understand, consider JFK. Many Protestants don't think the Catholics worship the same god or if they do, worship it properly. Nevertheless Kennedy believed in God and he was the president. End of story.
To the subject of non-God worshippers not being able to lead----Earth to USMB people, ever hear of Alexander the Great, Attila, Ashoka, and any of the other great leaders who did not believe in "GOD"? Christianity has only been around for 2000 years and there were plenty of great leaders before that. In the cultures that have not adopted Christianity there is no dearth of leadership.
Maybe the original poster should rephrase the question "Would you vote for a Non-Christian president?" Then you can feel free to say no. But to deny that Muslims or Jews worship God or to say that non-Christians can't lead is kind of stupid. Isn't it?
Um, do you realize that your post makes absolutely no sense at all?
You start out by seeming to know the difference between a belief in God and a specific religion, but you end by saying that only Christians believe in God.
You got me all confused.
Read it again. I'm saying that many of the respondents to the post have distorted the meaning of the question by saying that Jews and Muslims don't believe in God, when obviously they do. They have also said that only Christians can lead which is patently absurd.
Sorry, I guess I'm too dense to get your meaning. I couldn't tell if you were mocking people who don't think the concept of a god existed before Christianity, or if you believed so yourself.
Thanks for the clarification.
And people wonder why I call people who believe in a God "stupid".
OK I'll try again. I am mocking the idea (espoused by some of these posters) that LEADERSHIP did not exist before Christianity. Or that you must be Christian to be a good leader. Or that non-Christians are immature and therefore incapable of leadership.
I would hazard a guess that many of the presidents didn't believe in God, but would never state that publicly because they knew it wouldn't be politically expedient.
The God of Abraham, who is the God of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, is the same God ON PAPER. Obviously, the God of Abraham has evolved into three separate Gods since that time.
Which perfectly illustrates that man created god...not the other way around.
Which perfectly illustrates that man created god...not the other way around.
Since the typical "don't believe in God types" are ranters and haters and call believers "stupid," I cannot see the difference between putting one of them in office than I can Pat Robertson. The specific flavor or origin of the hate and intolerance is irrelevant, IMO.
Maybe the typical atheist who feels the need to speak out fits your stereotype is strident, but there are plenty of atheists who have a "live and let live" attitude. Then there are millions of Buddhist atheists who don't have any problem with other people believing in God or gods.
Furthermore the definition of someone who believes in God is just that. Someone who believes in God.
Say you believe in the Christian God. On the other hand I believe that God is a giant turtle that spins around in the universe. Just because your definition doesn't suit my tastes doesn't negate the fact that YOU believe in God. God is in the heart of the believer. That's why Jews and Muslims believe in God whether or not you like that idea.
One cannot ignore however that a vast majority in our society are Christian and hold Christian beliefs/morals/values. Naturally, they are going to lean toward someone who represents those beliefs before they are going to lean toward someone with no such conviction.
Of course that's totally natural and part of living in a democracy. That's also probably why democracy works better the more civilized the predominant religion of the country is. Bush is doing the right thing by trying to introduce the concept of democracy around the world, but I fear certain people are not really ready for it because their religious beliefs run counter to democracy in general and constitutional democracy in particular.