CDZ Women should embrace both owning and carrying guns as acts of personal empowerment.

[candycorn]

Again, the lack of source material is quite telling.

2017: 505 accidental gun deaths

2017: 326,000,000 estimated population in U.S.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia

U.S. Population (2018) - Worldometers

Nuff said

If you aren’t a gang member, in the committing a crime or committing suicide, the odds of dying be gun?

1.55 in 3,000,000,000

In my 68 years on this earth I have lived in the country, in a small town and in a large city. I have lived alone and with my family. I have walked through the city alone at 3:00 am and at no time have I ever felt the need to own a gun.

I have never been attacked or robbed, except our house was broken into once when we went to the cottage. The thief stole my husband’s pot plants. The expensive camera sitting on the shelf beside them was left behind.

If you own a gun, you have a 250% greater chance of being shot than if you don’t own a gun. If guns kept you safe, Americans would be the safest people in the world. Instead, theirs in the least safe country in the first world.

Wow...did that hurt when you pulled that number out of your ass....since no research actually shows that as being true, factual or based in reality....

Do you know that each rape, robbery and murder victim believed the exact same thing you believe....until they are raped, robbed or murdered?

Do you understand that Britain has banned and confiscated guns......and their gun crime rate has increased every year? It was up 23% across England and Wales...up 42% in London and up 30% in Yorkshire.....do you fucking understand that?

Do you understand that Sweden has gone from the Swedish Bikini team to the land of guns and grenades? Do you understand that?

Do you understand that criminals in France get fully automatic military rifles so easily, they are status symbols for them?

And as more Americans own and carry guns....?

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...



--------
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Do YOU understand that the murder rates in the US are 7 times those of the nearest first world country and no it’s not just inner city criminals.

Do YOU realize that in other countries, they count simple assaults that the US doesn’t even keep track of, as violent crimes?

Do YOU understand that more Americans in the US have been killed by guns in the past 30 years than in all of the wars in the past 100 years.

There is no way that you can frame the numbers to show the US is safer because of the availability of guns.

Gun are NOT keeping you safe.

To further show how innacurate that point is....According to the CDC, Americans use guns 2.4 million times a year to stop crimes...that means lives saved, rapes stopped, lives that are not ruined by violent criminals.......

so....

30 years X 2,400,000 = 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by Americans who own and carry guns....

The CDC did the research.... they did research from 1996-1998..... they found 2.4 million defensive gun uses by Americans.... they hid the data. The Department of Justice also researched gun self defense...they found 1.5 million defensive gun uses.....in 1995...... so tell them they are wrong....

Quite clearly, they are.

People....When you hear the bullshit stat of 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by someone with a gun in the last 30 years; ask yourself simple questions; do you know someone who actively stopped a violent crime with a gun? It is quite likely that you do not. Certainly, with 72,000,000 people out there stopping violent crimes, you should have run across probably 100 or 200. Again, do you know someone? Do any of the people you know have an awareness of a guy with a gun actively stopping someone by using a gun? Again, likely not. As pointed out by another poster, that is 6575 times a day or, if you prefer 273 times an hour; every hour; even at 4AM in the morning on Christmas!!!!

9/11 Truthers make more sense than this jerk.

 

[2aguy]

2017: 505 accidental gun deaths

2017: 326,000,000 estimated population in U.S.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia

U.S. Population (2018) - Worldometers

Nuff said

If you aren’t a gang member, in the committing a crime or committing suicide, the odds of dying be gun?

1.55 in 3,000,000,000

Wow...did that hurt when you pulled that number out of your ass....since no research actually shows that as being true, factual or based in reality....

Do you know that each rape, robbery and murder victim believed the exact same thing you believe....until they are raped, robbed or murdered?

Do you understand that Britain has banned and confiscated guns......and their gun crime rate has increased every year? It was up 23% across England and Wales...up 42% in London and up 30% in Yorkshire.....do you fucking understand that?

Do you understand that Sweden has gone from the Swedish Bikini team to the land of guns and grenades? Do you understand that?

Do you understand that criminals in France get fully automatic military rifles so easily, they are status symbols for them?

And as more Americans own and carry guns....?

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...



--------
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Do YOU understand that the murder rates in the US are 7 times those of the nearest first world country and no it’s not just inner city criminals.

Do YOU realize that in other countries, they count simple assaults that the US doesn’t even keep track of, as violent crimes?

Do YOU understand that more Americans in the US have been killed by guns in the past 30 years than in all of the wars in the past 100 years.

There is no way that you can frame the numbers to show the US is safer because of the availability of guns.

Gun are NOT keeping you safe.

To further show how innacurate that point is....According to the CDC, Americans use guns 2.4 million times a year to stop crimes...that means lives saved, rapes stopped, lives that are not ruined by violent criminals.......

so....

30 years X 2,400,000 = 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by Americans who own and carry guns....

The CDC did the research.... they did research from 1996-1998..... they found 2.4 million defensive gun uses by Americans.... they hid the data. The Department of Justice also researched gun self defense...they found 1.5 million defensive gun uses.....in 1995...... so tell them they are wrong....

Quite clearly, they are.

People....When you hear the bullshit stat of 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by someone with a gun in the last 30 years; ask yourself simple questions; do you know someone who actively stopped a violent crime with a gun? It is quite likely that you do not. Certainly, with 72,000,000 people out there stopping violent crimes, you should have run across probably 100 or 200. Again, do you know someone? Do any of the people you know have an awareness of a guy with a gun actively stopping someone by using a gun? Again, likely not. As pointed out by another poster, that is 6575 times a day or, if you prefer 273 times an hour; every hour; even at 4AM in the morning on Christmas!!!!

9/11 Truthers make more sense than this jerk.

Sorry......the vaunted CDC did just one study out of about a dozen..... notice that both government and private research organizations came to the conclusion that high numbers of Americans use their guns to stop violent criminal attack......and that the CDC and Department of Justice were under the control of democrats when they did their research.......

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million ( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

2017: 505 accidental gun deaths

2017: 326,000,000 estimated population in U.S.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia

U.S. Population (2018) - Worldometers

Nuff said

If you aren’t a gang member, in the committing a crime or committing suicide, the odds of dying be gun?

1.55 in 3,000,000,000

Wow...did that hurt when you pulled that number out of your ass....since no research actually shows that as being true, factual or based in reality....

Do you know that each rape, robbery and murder victim believed the exact same thing you believe....until they are raped, robbed or murdered?

Do you understand that Britain has banned and confiscated guns......and their gun crime rate has increased every year? It was up 23% across England and Wales...up 42% in London and up 30% in Yorkshire.....do you fucking understand that?

Do you understand that Sweden has gone from the Swedish Bikini team to the land of guns and grenades? Do you understand that?

Do you understand that criminals in France get fully automatic military rifles so easily, they are status symbols for them?

And as more Americans own and carry guns....?

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...



--------
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Do YOU understand that the murder rates in the US are 7 times those of the nearest first world country and no it’s not just inner city criminals.

Do YOU realize that in other countries, they count simple assaults that the US doesn’t even keep track of, as violent crimes?

Do YOU understand that more Americans in the US have been killed by guns in the past 30 years than in all of the wars in the past 100 years.

There is no way that you can frame the numbers to show the US is safer because of the availability of guns.

Gun are NOT keeping you safe.

To further show how innacurate that point is....According to the CDC, Americans use guns 2.4 million times a year to stop crimes...that means lives saved, rapes stopped, lives that are not ruined by violent criminals.......

so....

30 years X 2,400,000 = 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by Americans who own and carry guns....

The CDC did the research.... they did research from 1996-1998..... they found 2.4 million defensive gun uses by Americans.... they hid the data. The Department of Justice also researched gun self defense...they found 1.5 million defensive gun uses.....in 1995...... so tell them they are wrong....

Quite clearly, they are.

People....When you hear the bullshit stat of 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by someone with a gun in the last 30 years; ask yourself simple questions; do you know someone who actively stopped a violent crime with a gun? It is quite likely that you do not. Certainly, with 72,000,000 people out there stopping violent crimes, you should have run across probably 100 or 200. Again, do you know someone? Do any of the people you know have an awareness of a guy with a gun actively stopping someone by using a gun? Again, likely not. As pointed out by another poster, that is 6575 times a day or, if you prefer 273 times an hour; every hour; even at 4AM in the morning on Christmas!!!!

9/11 Truthers make more sense than this jerk.

I have never met anyone who had an encounter with a bear out in the wild....so I guess that means there are no bears in the wild........

I do know someone who used a gun to scare off 2 robbers...... I know 2 people who were robbed at gun point, had they had guns at the time, they wouldn't have been robbed.....

 

[candycorn]

Do YOU understand that the murder rates in the US are 7 times those of the nearest first world country and no it’s not just inner city criminals.

Do YOU realize that in other countries, they count simple assaults that the US doesn’t even keep track of, as violent crimes?

Do YOU understand that more Americans in the US have been killed by guns in the past 30 years than in all of the wars in the past 100 years.

There is no way that you can frame the numbers to show the US is safer because of the availability of guns.

Gun are NOT keeping you safe.

To further show how innacurate that point is....According to the CDC, Americans use guns 2.4 million times a year to stop crimes...that means lives saved, rapes stopped, lives that are not ruined by violent criminals.......

so....

30 years X 2,400,000 = 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by Americans who own and carry guns....

The CDC did the research.... they did research from 1996-1998..... they found 2.4 million defensive gun uses by Americans.... they hid the data. The Department of Justice also researched gun self defense...they found 1.5 million defensive gun uses.....in 1995...... so tell them they are wrong....

Quite clearly, they are.

People....When you hear the bullshit stat of 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by someone with a gun in the last 30 years; ask yourself simple questions; do you know someone who actively stopped a violent crime with a gun? It is quite likely that you do not. Certainly, with 72,000,000 people out there stopping violent crimes, you should have run across probably 100 or 200. Again, do you know someone? Do any of the people you know have an awareness of a guy with a gun actively stopping someone by using a gun? Again, likely not. As pointed out by another poster, that is 6575 times a day or, if you prefer 273 times an hour; every hour; even at 4AM in the morning on Christmas!!!!

9/11 Truthers make more sense than this jerk.

I have never met anyone who had an encounter with a bear out in the wild....so I guess that means there are no bears in the wild........

I do know someone who used a gun to scare off 2 robbers...... I know 2 people who were robbed at gun point, had they had guns at the time, they wouldn't have been robbed.....

Wow...3; were they in the same day? If not, you have to account for the other 6500 on those days.

As for bears in the wild--the latest false equivalence from gun nuts I suppose--they do exist and people do encounter them; likely not 6,500 in a day or 72,000,000 in 30 years; just like you repeating the fable about active gun defenses.

 

[2aguy]

To further show how innacurate that point is....According to the CDC, Americans use guns 2.4 million times a year to stop crimes...that means lives saved, rapes stopped, lives that are not ruined by violent criminals.......

so....

30 years X 2,400,000 = 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by Americans who own and carry guns....

The CDC did the research.... they did research from 1996-1998..... they found 2.4 million defensive gun uses by Americans.... they hid the data. The Department of Justice also researched gun self defense...they found 1.5 million defensive gun uses.....in 1995...... so tell them they are wrong....

Quite clearly, they are.

People....When you hear the bullshit stat of 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by someone with a gun in the last 30 years; ask yourself simple questions; do you know someone who actively stopped a violent crime with a gun? It is quite likely that you do not. Certainly, with 72,000,000 people out there stopping violent crimes, you should have run across probably 100 or 200. Again, do you know someone? Do any of the people you know have an awareness of a guy with a gun actively stopping someone by using a gun? Again, likely not. As pointed out by another poster, that is 6575 times a day or, if you prefer 273 times an hour; every hour; even at 4AM in the morning on Christmas!!!!

9/11 Truthers make more sense than this jerk.

I have never met anyone who had an encounter with a bear out in the wild....so I guess that means there are no bears in the wild........

I do know someone who used a gun to scare off 2 robbers...... I know 2 people who were robbed at gun point, had they had guns at the time, they wouldn't have been robbed.....

Wow...3; were they in the same day? If not, you have to account for the other 6500 on those days.

As for bears in the wild--the latest false equivalence from gun nuts I suppose--they do exist and people do encounter them; likely not 6,500 in a day or 72,000,000 in 30 years; just like you repeating the fable about active gun defenses.

again....actual research v. you pulling it out of your ass....

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million ( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

To further show how innacurate that point is....According to the CDC, Americans use guns 2.4 million times a year to stop crimes...that means lives saved, rapes stopped, lives that are not ruined by violent criminals.......

so....

30 years X 2,400,000 = 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by Americans who own and carry guns....

The CDC did the research.... they did research from 1996-1998..... they found 2.4 million defensive gun uses by Americans.... they hid the data. The Department of Justice also researched gun self defense...they found 1.5 million defensive gun uses.....in 1995...... so tell them they are wrong....

Quite clearly, they are.

People....When you hear the bullshit stat of 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by someone with a gun in the last 30 years; ask yourself simple questions; do you know someone who actively stopped a violent crime with a gun? It is quite likely that you do not. Certainly, with 72,000,000 people out there stopping violent crimes, you should have run across probably 100 or 200. Again, do you know someone? Do any of the people you know have an awareness of a guy with a gun actively stopping someone by using a gun? Again, likely not. As pointed out by another poster, that is 6575 times a day or, if you prefer 273 times an hour; every hour; even at 4AM in the morning on Christmas!!!!

9/11 Truthers make more sense than this jerk.

I have never met anyone who had an encounter with a bear out in the wild....so I guess that means there are no bears in the wild........

I do know someone who used a gun to scare off 2 robbers...... I know 2 people who were robbed at gun point, had they had guns at the time, they wouldn't have been robbed.....

Wow...3; were they in the same day? If not, you have to account for the other 6500 on those days.

As for bears in the wild--the latest false equivalence from gun nuts I suppose--they do exist and people do encounter them; likely not 6,500 in a day or 72,000,000 in 30 years; just like you repeating the fable about active gun defenses.

As for bears in the wild--the latest false equivalence from gun nuts I suppose--they do exist and people do encounter them;

No....they don't exist..... according to your own rules, I have not met anyone who has encountered a bear in the wild, so no, they don't actually exist.....

 

[2aguy]

To further show how innacurate that point is....According to the CDC, Americans use guns 2.4 million times a year to stop crimes...that means lives saved, rapes stopped, lives that are not ruined by violent criminals.......

so....

30 years X 2,400,000 = 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by Americans who own and carry guns....

The CDC did the research.... they did research from 1996-1998..... they found 2.4 million defensive gun uses by Americans.... they hid the data. The Department of Justice also researched gun self defense...they found 1.5 million defensive gun uses.....in 1995...... so tell them they are wrong....

Quite clearly, they are.

People....When you hear the bullshit stat of 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by someone with a gun in the last 30 years; ask yourself simple questions; do you know someone who actively stopped a violent crime with a gun? It is quite likely that you do not. Certainly, with 72,000,000 people out there stopping violent crimes, you should have run across probably 100 or 200. Again, do you know someone? Do any of the people you know have an awareness of a guy with a gun actively stopping someone by using a gun? Again, likely not. As pointed out by another poster, that is 6575 times a day or, if you prefer 273 times an hour; every hour; even at 4AM in the morning on Christmas!!!!

9/11 Truthers make more sense than this jerk.

I have never met anyone who had an encounter with a bear out in the wild....so I guess that means there are no bears in the wild........

I do know someone who used a gun to scare off 2 robbers...... I know 2 people who were robbed at gun point, had they had guns at the time, they wouldn't have been robbed.....

Wow...3; were they in the same day? If not, you have to account for the other 6500 on those days.

As for bears in the wild--the latest false equivalence from gun nuts I suppose--they do exist and people do encounter them; likely not 6,500 in a day or 72,000,000 in 30 years; just like you repeating the fable about active gun defenses.

Come to think of it...I don't know anyone who was murdered either...so murder is just a fantasy too.... rape too.....since I don't know anyone who was raped.... and a lot of other things and people I have never experienced or met...so they are all fantasies too....right?

 

[candycorn]

The CDC did the research.... they did research from 1996-1998..... they found 2.4 million defensive gun uses by Americans.... they hid the data. The Department of Justice also researched gun self defense...they found 1.5 million defensive gun uses.....in 1995...... so tell them they are wrong....

Quite clearly, they are.

People....When you hear the bullshit stat of 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by someone with a gun in the last 30 years; ask yourself simple questions; do you know someone who actively stopped a violent crime with a gun? It is quite likely that you do not. Certainly, with 72,000,000 people out there stopping violent crimes, you should have run across probably 100 or 200. Again, do you know someone? Do any of the people you know have an awareness of a guy with a gun actively stopping someone by using a gun? Again, likely not. As pointed out by another poster, that is 6575 times a day or, if you prefer 273 times an hour; every hour; even at 4AM in the morning on Christmas!!!!

9/11 Truthers make more sense than this jerk.

I have never met anyone who had an encounter with a bear out in the wild....so I guess that means there are no bears in the wild........

I do know someone who used a gun to scare off 2 robbers...... I know 2 people who were robbed at gun point, had they had guns at the time, they wouldn't have been robbed.....

Wow...3; were they in the same day? If not, you have to account for the other 6500 on those days.

As for bears in the wild--the latest false equivalence from gun nuts I suppose--they do exist and people do encounter them; likely not 6,500 in a day or 72,000,000 in 30 years; just like you repeating the fable about active gun defenses.

As for bears in the wild--the latest false equivalence from gun nuts I suppose--they do exist and people do encounter them;

No....they don't exist..... according to your own rules, I have not met anyone who has encountered a bear in the wild, so no, they don't actually exist.....

When you have to mis-characterize what was stated...you're exhibiting a very weak mind; not to mention dishonesty which has become your trademark.

 

[candycorn]

The CDC did the research.... they did research from 1996-1998..... they found 2.4 million defensive gun uses by Americans.... they hid the data. The Department of Justice also researched gun self defense...they found 1.5 million defensive gun uses.....in 1995...... so tell them they are wrong....

Quite clearly, they are.

People....When you hear the bullshit stat of 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by someone with a gun in the last 30 years; ask yourself simple questions; do you know someone who actively stopped a violent crime with a gun? It is quite likely that you do not. Certainly, with 72,000,000 people out there stopping violent crimes, you should have run across probably 100 or 200. Again, do you know someone? Do any of the people you know have an awareness of a guy with a gun actively stopping someone by using a gun? Again, likely not. As pointed out by another poster, that is 6575 times a day or, if you prefer 273 times an hour; every hour; even at 4AM in the morning on Christmas!!!!

9/11 Truthers make more sense than this jerk.

I have never met anyone who had an encounter with a bear out in the wild....so I guess that means there are no bears in the wild........

I do know someone who used a gun to scare off 2 robbers...... I know 2 people who were robbed at gun point, had they had guns at the time, they wouldn't have been robbed.....

Wow...3; were they in the same day? If not, you have to account for the other 6500 on those days.

As for bears in the wild--the latest false equivalence from gun nuts I suppose--they do exist and people do encounter them; likely not 6,500 in a day or 72,000,000 in 30 years; just like you repeating the fable about active gun defenses.

Come to think of it...I don't know anyone who was murdered either...so murder is just a fantasy too.... rape too.....since I don't know anyone who was raped.... and a lot of other things and people I have never experienced or met...so they are all fantasies too....right?

Fantasies such as 6,500 gun defenses per hour? Are you hearing shots outside your window? How many stories will be in the paper tomorrow about these fantasy gun defenses...maybe 3 nationwide. Thanks for the giggle.

 

[2aguy]

The CDC did the research.... they did research from 1996-1998..... they found 2.4 million defensive gun uses by Americans.... they hid the data. The Department of Justice also researched gun self defense...they found 1.5 million defensive gun uses.....in 1995...... so tell them they are wrong....

Quite clearly, they are.

People....When you hear the bullshit stat of 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by someone with a gun in the last 30 years; ask yourself simple questions; do you know someone who actively stopped a violent crime with a gun? It is quite likely that you do not. Certainly, with 72,000,000 people out there stopping violent crimes, you should have run across probably 100 or 200. Again, do you know someone? Do any of the people you know have an awareness of a guy with a gun actively stopping someone by using a gun? Again, likely not. As pointed out by another poster, that is 6575 times a day or, if you prefer 273 times an hour; every hour; even at 4AM in the morning on Christmas!!!!

9/11 Truthers make more sense than this jerk.

I have never met anyone who had an encounter with a bear out in the wild....so I guess that means there are no bears in the wild........

I do know someone who used a gun to scare off 2 robbers...... I know 2 people who were robbed at gun point, had they had guns at the time, they wouldn't have been robbed.....

Wow...3; were they in the same day? If not, you have to account for the other 6500 on those days.

As for bears in the wild--the latest false equivalence from gun nuts I suppose--they do exist and people do encounter them; likely not 6,500 in a day or 72,000,000 in 30 years; just like you repeating the fable about active gun defenses.

Come to think of it...I don't know anyone who was murdered either...so murder is just a fantasy too.... rape too.....since I don't know anyone who was raped.... and a lot of other things and people I have never experienced or met...so they are all fantasies too....right?

Fantasies such as 6,500 gun defenses per hour? Are you hearing shots outside your window? How many stories will be in the paper tomorrow about these fantasy gun defenses...maybe 3 nationwide. Thanks for the giggle.

You just ignore 42 years of research.....? From both private and government researchers...... two of which were specifically done to show the Gary Kleck research as being way off....yet only to find that using their own questions, their own methods, they got the same results....... anti gun researchers at both the Department of Justice and the CDC both organizations trying their best to disprove Gary Kleck...and both failing miserably.....

In a country with over 320 million people.....with close to 600 million guns, and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense....

And you say that they are all wrong, and you are Right?


GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million ( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

The CDC did the research.... they did research from 1996-1998..... they found 2.4 million defensive gun uses by Americans.... they hid the data. The Department of Justice also researched gun self defense...they found 1.5 million defensive gun uses.....in 1995...... so tell them they are wrong....

Quite clearly, they are.

People....When you hear the bullshit stat of 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by someone with a gun in the last 30 years; ask yourself simple questions; do you know someone who actively stopped a violent crime with a gun? It is quite likely that you do not. Certainly, with 72,000,000 people out there stopping violent crimes, you should have run across probably 100 or 200. Again, do you know someone? Do any of the people you know have an awareness of a guy with a gun actively stopping someone by using a gun? Again, likely not. As pointed out by another poster, that is 6575 times a day or, if you prefer 273 times an hour; every hour; even at 4AM in the morning on Christmas!!!!

9/11 Truthers make more sense than this jerk.

I have never met anyone who had an encounter with a bear out in the wild....so I guess that means there are no bears in the wild........

I do know someone who used a gun to scare off 2 robbers...... I know 2 people who were robbed at gun point, had they had guns at the time, they wouldn't have been robbed.....

Wow...3; were they in the same day? If not, you have to account for the other 6500 on those days.

As for bears in the wild--the latest false equivalence from gun nuts I suppose--they do exist and people do encounter them; likely not 6,500 in a day or 72,000,000 in 30 years; just like you repeating the fable about active gun defenses.

Come to think of it...I don't know anyone who was murdered either...so murder is just a fantasy too.... rape too.....since I don't know anyone who was raped.... and a lot of other things and people I have never experienced or met...so they are all fantasies too....right?

Fantasies such as 6,500 gun defenses per hour? Are you hearing shots outside your window? How many stories will be in the paper tomorrow about these fantasy gun defenses...maybe 3 nationwide. Thanks for the giggle.

It's good to know...I have been to Chicago lots of times, and have never encountered a criminal with a gun...so, according to you, there is no crime in Chicago..... so why are they making up all the stories about gun murders in Chicago?

 

[Skull Pilot]

In my 68 years on this earth I have lived in the country, in a small town and in a large city. I have lived alone and with my family. I have walked through the city alone at 3:00 am and at no time have I ever felt the need to own a gun.

I have never been attacked or robbed, except our house was broken into once when we went to the cottage. The thief stole my husband’s pot plants. The expensive camera sitting on the shelf beside them was left behind.

If you own a gun, you have a 250% greater chance of being shot than if you don’t own a gun. If guns kept you safe, Americans would be the safest people in the world. Instead, theirs in the least safe country in the first world.

The 250% chance you speak of is only if that house is owned by a gang member or someone involved in criminal activity or if you are suicidal.

For everyone else the odds of being killed by a gun in your house on any given day?

1 in 300,000,000

Promoting paranoia is shameful

Again, the lack of source material is quite telling.

2017: 505 accidental gun deaths

2017: 326,000,000 estimated population in U.S.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia

U.S. Population (2018) - Worldometers

Nuff said

If you aren’t a gang member, in the committing a crime or committing suicide, the odds of dying be gun?

1.55 in 3,000,000,000

In my 68 years on this earth I have lived in the country, in a small town and in a large city. I have lived alone and with my family. I have walked through the city alone at 3:00 am and at no time have I ever felt the need to own a gun.

I have never been attacked or robbed, except our house was broken into once when we went to the cottage. The thief stole my husband’s pot plants. The expensive camera sitting on the shelf beside them was left behind.

If you own a gun, you have a 250% greater chance of being shot than if you don’t own a gun. If guns kept you safe, Americans would be the safest people in the world. Instead, theirs in the least safe country in the first world.

Wow...did that hurt when you pulled that number out of your ass....since no research actually shows that as being true, factual or based in reality....

Do you know that each rape, robbery and murder victim believed the exact same thing you believe....until they are raped, robbed or murdered?

Do you understand that Britain has banned and confiscated guns......and their gun crime rate has increased every year? It was up 23% across England and Wales...up 42% in London and up 30% in Yorkshire.....do you fucking understand that?

Do you understand that Sweden has gone from the Swedish Bikini team to the land of guns and grenades? Do you understand that?

Do you understand that criminals in France get fully automatic military rifles so easily, they are status symbols for them?

And as more Americans own and carry guns....?

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...



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-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Do YOU understand that the murder rates in the US are 7 times those of the nearest first world country and no it’s not just inner city criminals.

Do YOU realize that in other countries, they count simple assaults that the US doesn’t even keep track of, as violent crimes?

Do YOU understand that more Americans in the US have been killed by guns in the past 30 years than in all of the wars in the past 100 years.

There is no way that you can frame the numbers to show the US is safer because of the availability of guns.

Gun are NOT keeping you safe.

Put another way:

If guns made the population safer, the US, by far, would have the fewest crimes in the history of the species since, by far, we have the most guns in the hands of We the People. Instead, we have, by far, the most violent advanced society in the history of the species. Unless you want to argue that Americans are just more homicidal than other people, you have to look at other factors. We have the same books, the same movies, the same video games, the same TV shows as other advanced nations in Europe, the Far East, Australia etc... The only other thing that we have that they do not is the 2nd Amendment.

And yet the UK has more rapes per 1000 people than we do more assaults and more property crimes

United Kingdom vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

So if gun laws reduce crimes wouldn't their crime rates be lower across the board?

 

[Pop23]

2017: 505 accidental gun deaths

2017: 326,000,000 estimated population in U.S.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia

U.S. Population (2018) - Worldometers

Nuff said

If you aren’t a gang member, in the committing a crime or committing suicide, the odds of dying be gun?

1.55 in 3,000,000,000

It was 1 in 300,000,000 (which is nuts); now it's 1.55 in 3 Billion??? (which is clinically insane). Much like the author of the nonsense.

You correctly pointed out the additional zero.

1.55 per 300,000,000 is the correct odds.

So, let’s test how paranoid you should be.

A prisoner of war is called to the prison office.

The commander is holding an envelope and tells you to pick a number between 1 and 300,000,000.

If you pick the one number in the envelope you die, pick any other, you go free.

How paranoid are you when picking the number? Here’s a clue. You’d be packing your bags for home. The chances of picking the number is so low to be laughable.

As is your argument

Again, not sure where you're getting the odds.
Making the nonsensical assumption that the only people who own guns (and as a result die from accidental gun deaths) are in crime infested areas is pretty stupid as well
And you cannot rule out the suicides just because it makes your moronic statistics look worse..

You’ve seen them. But you’re an idiot, so there’s that.

When you grow up, get back to us.

Show us the math; Thats what adults do.
When you grow up, get back to us.

All you had to do is read my posts to see the math. You don’t and that’s your problem not mine.

Ignored

 

[koshergrl]

Do YOU understand that the murder rates in the US are 7 times those of the nearest first world country and no it’s not just inner city criminals.

Do YOU realize that in other countries, they count simple assaults that the US doesn’t even keep track of, as violent crimes?

Do YOU understand that more Americans in the US have been killed by guns in the past 30 years than in all of the wars in the past 100 years.

There is no way that you can frame the numbers to show the US is safer because of the availability of guns.

Gun are NOT keeping you safe.

To further show how innacurate that point is....According to the CDC, Americans use guns 2.4 million times a year to stop crimes...that means lives saved, rapes stopped, lives that are not ruined by violent criminals.......

so....

30 years X 2,400,000 = 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by Americans who own and carry guns....

The CDC did the research.... they did research from 1996-1998..... they found 2.4 million defensive gun uses by Americans.... they hid the data. The Department of Justice also researched gun self defense...they found 1.5 million defensive gun uses.....in 1995...... so tell them they are wrong....

Quite clearly, they are.

People....When you hear the bullshit stat of 72,000,000 million crimes stopped by someone with a gun in the last 30 years; ask yourself simple questions; do you know someone who actively stopped a violent crime with a gun? It is quite likely that you do not. Certainly, with 72,000,000 people out there stopping violent crimes, you should have run across probably 100 or 200. Again, do you know someone? Do any of the people you know have an awareness of a guy with a gun actively stopping someone by using a gun? Again, likely not. As pointed out by another poster, that is 6575 times a day or, if you prefer 273 times an hour; every hour; even at 4AM in the morning on Christmas!!!!

9/11 Truthers make more sense than this jerk.

I have never met anyone who had an encounter with a bear out in the wild....so I guess that means there are no bears in the wild........

I do know someone who used a gun to scare off 2 robbers...... I know 2 people who were robbed at gun point, had they had guns at the time, they wouldn't have been robbed.....

I've had a few wild bear encounters...not super close, I was in a car for one of them and the other one, I was on one side of the canyon and the bear was on the other. Now you know someone who has had a bear encounter!

 

[candycorn]

It was 1 in 300,000,000 (which is nuts); now it's 1.55 in 3 Billion??? (which is clinically insane). Much like the author of the nonsense.

You correctly pointed out the additional zero.

1.55 per 300,000,000 is the correct odds.

So, let’s test how paranoid you should be.

A prisoner of war is called to the prison office.

The commander is holding an envelope and tells you to pick a number between 1 and 300,000,000.

If you pick the one number in the envelope you die, pick any other, you go free.

How paranoid are you when picking the number? Here’s a clue. You’d be packing your bags for home. The chances of picking the number is so low to be laughable.

As is your argument

Again, not sure where you're getting the odds.
Making the nonsensical assumption that the only people who own guns (and as a result die from accidental gun deaths) are in crime infested areas is pretty stupid as well
And you cannot rule out the suicides just because it makes your moronic statistics look worse..

You’ve seen them. But you’re an idiot, so there’s that.

When you grow up, get back to us.

Show us the math; Thats what adults do.
When you grow up, get back to us.

All you had to do is read my posts to see the math. You don’t and that’s your problem not mine.

Ignored

Translation: I made the whole thing up and ignored 20,000 lives lost in the process. Got it.

 

[Pop23]

You correctly pointed out the additional zero.

1.55 per 300,000,000 is the correct odds.

So, let’s test how paranoid you should be.

A prisoner of war is called to the prison office.

The commander is holding an envelope and tells you to pick a number between 1 and 300,000,000.

If you pick the one number in the envelope you die, pick any other, you go free.

How paranoid are you when picking the number? Here’s a clue. You’d be packing your bags for home. The chances of picking the number is so low to be laughable.

As is your argument

Again, not sure where you're getting the odds.
Making the nonsensical assumption that the only people who own guns (and as a result die from accidental gun deaths) are in crime infested areas is pretty stupid as well
And you cannot rule out the suicides just because it makes your moronic statistics look worse..

You’ve seen them. But you’re an idiot, so there’s that.

When you grow up, get back to us.

Show us the math; Thats what adults do.
When you grow up, get back to us.

All you had to do is read my posts to see the math. You don’t and that’s your problem not mine.

Ignored

Translation: I made the whole thing up and ignored 20,000 lives lost in the process. Got it.

Translation: I can’t argue with Pops numbers so I’ll try to save face by asking for them 2 dozen more times. Got it

 

[candycorn]

Again, not sure where you're getting the odds.
Making the nonsensical assumption that the only people who own guns (and as a result die from accidental gun deaths) are in crime infested areas is pretty stupid as well
And you cannot rule out the suicides just because it makes your moronic statistics look worse..

You’ve seen them. But you’re an idiot, so there’s that.

When you grow up, get back to us.

Show us the math; Thats what adults do.
When you grow up, get back to us.

All you had to do is read my posts to see the math. You don’t and that’s your problem not mine.

Ignored

Translation: I made the whole thing up and ignored 20,000 lives lost in the process. Got it.

Translation: I can’t argue with Pops numbers so I’ll try to save face by asking for them 2 dozen more times. Got it

I was really trying to understand where you got your ratio. Surely you know there are not 300,000,000 gun owners in the US; right? It’s more like 100 million. Surely you know that the topic is about female gun owners so the ratio is even less; right? Surely, you know that the 20,000 people who kill themselves with guns almost always had another avenue to pursue to kill themselves but chose a gun so their deaths are relevant to the discussion at hand; right?

Of course you don’t. Sucks to be you.

 

[Pop23]

You’ve seen them. But you’re an idiot, so there’s that.

When you grow up, get back to us.

Show us the math; Thats what adults do.
When you grow up, get back to us.

All you had to do is read my posts to see the math. You don’t and that’s your problem not mine.

Ignored

Translation: I made the whole thing up and ignored 20,000 lives lost in the process. Got it.

Translation: I can’t argue with Pops numbers so I’ll try to save face by asking for them 2 dozen more times. Got it

I was really trying to understand where you got your ratio. Surely you know there are not 300,000,000 gun owners in the US; right? It’s more like 100 million. Surely you know that the topic is about female gun owners so the ratio is even less; right? Surely, you know that the 20,000 people who kill themselves with guns almost always had another avenue to pursue to kill themselves but chose a gun so their deaths are relevant to the discussion at hand; right?

Of course you don’t. Sucks to be you.

Dumbass, you know that gun owners aren’t the lone individuals killed in gun accidents? Right?

Car owners aren’t the only ones killed in car accidents.

So to be statistically valid it is the odds anyone dies in said accident.

Get a grip and grow the hell up.

 

[candycorn]

Show us the math; Thats what adults do.
When you grow up, get back to us.

All you had to do is read my posts to see the math. You don’t and that’s your problem not mine.

Ignored

Translation: I made the whole thing up and ignored 20,000 lives lost in the process. Got it.

Translation: I can’t argue with Pops numbers so I’ll try to save face by asking for them 2 dozen more times. Got it

I was really trying to understand where you got your ratio. Surely you know there are not 300,000,000 gun owners in the US; right? It’s more like 100 million. Surely you know that the topic is about female gun owners so the ratio is even less; right? Surely, you know that the 20,000 people who kill themselves with guns almost always had another avenue to pursue to kill themselves but chose a gun so their deaths are relevant to the discussion at hand; right?

Of course you don’t. Sucks to be you.

Dumbass, you know that gun owners aren’t the lone individuals killed in gun accidents? Right?

Car owners aren’t the only ones killed in car accidents.

So to be statistically valid it is the odds anyone dies in said accident.

Get a grip and grow the hell up.

Damn you’re dense. We were talking about brining a gun into the home for safety; hence gun owners. Unless you happen to live in a commune, it’s pretty much limited to you and you’re family.

You really are stupid.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Finding the now complete corruption of our last line of defense, the "free" press, by corporate interests insufficient, the hard core haters take upon themselves to even further divide the already fearful masses. Here we witness some pitting women with guns against men with buckets of faked news. And notice how no reflection is ever wasted on why they hate everyone so much while blaming the mentally ill.

Old News Flash: Nearly 60 percent of Americans — the highest ever — on drugs

Crazy!