Winter begins early

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    olfraud, Chris and konrad have all predicted that this year was going to be hotter than the last, I said it would be cooler. Well lo and behold snow came early to the UK.

    Also the Chinese are "suffering through the early onset of bitter cold. China's state-run media reported October 18 as the city's coldest autumn day since 1986, with temperatures peaking at 48 degrees and then dropping to 44."



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    Snow falls in Yorkshire - In October! - Telegraph

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20020269-503543.html
     
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    Going to take more than just an early localized snow storm to bring the average that is running right with 1998 thus far.
     
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    When did winter arrive in 1098?
     
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    Given that this is weather and not indicative of anything climate related (unlike what Chris would have everyone believe) I have to agree with you. However, as the Fall progresses into winter we will be able to gather what sort of trend is occuring. Will it be worse than last winter? Or will it be better? Right now I would bet a large sum of cash that I'll be correct and you won't.
     
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    I never said that this winter would be warmer than last winter. Why should it be? A La Nina developing, perhaps a very strong one, with a weak solar cycle. By past example, this should be a cool to cold winter. It should be below the 90th level for the past 180 years. But, the question is, as you posed it, will it be colder than the winter of 2010, maybe the warmest winter on record.

    Last winter had a moderate El Nino, this winter what could be a strong La Nina. So if 2011 does like as 2008 did, ranked in the warmest ten years on record in spite of the Strong La Nina and record low solar minimum, that will pretty strong proof that the effect of AGW is far stronger than you would like it.
     
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    Warming, but not "proof" of AGW.
     
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    Ahhh yes... a heatwave in california is indicitive of Glowbull Wurmin and snow in Yorkshire is 'just an anomaly. Gotcha.
     
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    The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

    Of course, this is simply the biggest organization of physicists in the world, so why should what they say mean anything? After all, a drugged out fat radio jock is far more trustworthy, or, for that matter, and undegreed ex-TV weatherman.
     
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    Yep these are the same type of people that made that schoolboy error at the Royal Society.
     

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