Wingnuts get their asses kicked

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What happens to the interest payments on the debt when the debt gets to the level that Bush left it at, dumbass?

Gee, wouldn't we need interest rates to do that ?

Carter left us with interest rates of ? And Bush left President Obama with interest rates of ?

Perhaps more readin' and less postin' would help you out. When you are done with these links, kindly sum them up in crayon and pass them to daveman.

National Debt FAQ

National debt interest rates will take big chunk from budget - Feb. 2, 2011

Government - Interest Expense on the Debt Outstanding

As obscure as this seems, it is actually extremely important. The chief reason that our deficit fell so dramatically in the late '90s is that we replaced a lot of old, very high-interest debt from the '70s and early '80s, with much lower interest debt. Even though the amount of debt was still increasing, the overall interest payments were reduced. We're still retiring some of that high-interest debt, but there's a lot less of it than there once was. When it's gone, our interest payments will begin to rise, reflecting the rising interest we are paying on new debt. When that happens, the deficit will rise even faster than it has been rising

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Hey thanks.

 

[Listening]

PRINCETON, NJ -- President Obama's job approval rating is at a new low, averaging 40% in July 26-28 Gallup Daily tracking. His prior low rating of 41% occurred several times, the last of which was in April. As recently as June 7, Obama had 50% job approval.

Obama's approval rating averaged 46% in June and was near that level for most of July; however, it has stumbled in the past few days, coinciding with intensification of the debt ceiling/budget battle in Washington.

Obama's 40% overall approval rating nearly matches the recent 41% approval Americans gave him for handling the debt ceiling negotiations. Though Americans rate Obama poorly for his handling of the situation, they are less approving of how House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid are handling it. Gallup does not include ratings of Congress or congressional leaders in its Daily tracking, and thus, there is no overall job approval rating of Boehner, Reid, or Congress directly comparable to Obama's current 40% overall job approval rating.

 

[Chris]

Gee, wouldn't we need interest rates to do that ?

Carter left us with interest rates of ? And Bush left President Obama with interest rates of ?

Perhaps more readin' and less postin' would help you out. When you are done with these links, kindly sum them up in crayon and pass them to daveman.

National Debt FAQ

National debt interest rates will take big chunk from budget - Feb. 2, 2011

Government - Interest Expense on the Debt Outstanding

As obscure as this seems, it is actually extremely important. The chief reason that our deficit fell so dramatically in the late '90s is that we replaced a lot of old, very high-interest debt from the '70s and early '80s, with much lower interest debt. Even though the amount of debt was still increasing, the overall interest payments were reduced. We're still retiring some of that high-interest debt, but there's a lot less of it than there once was. When it's gone, our interest payments will begin to rise, reflecting the rising interest we are paying on new debt. When that happens, the deficit will rise even faster than it has been rising

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Hey thanks.

Wrong.

The reason the deficit fell is that we cut spending and increased taxes.

What a concept!

 

[Oldstyle]

Barack Obama is winning the Rust Belt back. The overwhelming repeal in Ohio of Governor John Kasich’s anti-labor bill from last year shows that the GOP has gone way, way too far—too far for Democrats, obviously, but also for independents. It shows the potential for something else, too: the populist message can stick. “Class warfare” can work. It can take hold even with the people who allegedly despise our Kenyan leader the most: the white working class. And if this turns out to be right, then the Washington conventional wisdom will be proven as wrong as it’s been since 1998, when the Cokie Roberts caucus convinced itself that the American people wanted to throw Bill Clinton out of the White House over Monica.

But the larger context in which this vote took place is important, too. And that context is Operation Wall Street, income inequality, Republicans in Congress killing the jobs bill piece by piece, Obama finally getting some blood flowing through those veins again instead of water. People have started to care about class issues, and it’s pretty clear what they think: The Republican Party isn’t representing them (unless they happen to live in a household with an income of at least $368,000 a year). In the new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, 76 percent agreed that “the current economic structure of the country is out of balance and favors a small proportion of the rich over the rest of the country.”

Michael Tomasky: Ohio Vote Shows Obama Winning Back the Rust Belt - The Daily Beast

What's telling about your post, Chris is that you've admitted that the Obama Administration cannot run on it's economic record but has a chance to win if it embroils the country in class warfare.

So what happens if Obama "does" win? They can't raise taxes on the rich because that will kill the already anemic economic recovery. They've shown themselves to be unwilling to cut spending. So what is Barack Obama going to "do" for the next 4 years if he does manage to employ enough smoke and mirrors to make the electorate focus on something other than his record?

 

[daveman]

What happens to the interest payments on the debt when the debt gets to the level that Bush left it at, dumbass?

Got it. Obama's debt is good and righteous and holy. GOP debt is evil.

Gobama!

You really are a dumbass, y'know.

Not at all. I'm not the one condemning Bush for raising the deficit and then praising Obama for raising it even faster.

That would be you. Moron.

 

[Oldstyle]

PRINCETON, NJ -- President Obama's job approval rating is at a new low, averaging 40% in July 26-28 Gallup Daily tracking. His prior low rating of 41% occurred several times, the last of which was in April. As recently as June 7, Obama had 50% job approval.




Obama's approval rating averaged 46% in June and was near that level for most of July; however, it has stumbled in the past few days, coinciding with intensification of the debt ceiling/budget battle in Washington.

Obama's 40% overall approval rating nearly matches the recent 41% approval Americans gave him for handling the debt ceiling negotiations. Though Americans rate Obama poorly for his handling of the situation, they are less approving of how House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid are handling it. Gallup does not include ratings of Congress or congressional leaders in its Daily tracking, and thus, there is no overall job approval rating of Boehner, Reid, or Congress directly comparable to Obama's current 40% overall job approval rating.

Nice graph, Chris! Remind me again when it was that the Democrats took over control of Congress and control of spending?

 

[Chris]

PRINCETON, NJ -- President Obama's job approval rating is at a new low, averaging 40% in July 26-28 Gallup Daily tracking. His prior low rating of 41% occurred several times, the last of which was in April. As recently as June 7, Obama had 50% job approval.

Obama's approval rating averaged 46% in June and was near that level for most of July; however, it has stumbled in the past few days, coinciding with intensification of the debt ceiling/budget battle in Washington.

Obama's 40% overall approval rating nearly matches the recent 41% approval Americans gave him for handling the debt ceiling negotiations. Though Americans rate Obama poorly for his handling of the situation, they are less approving of how House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid are handling it. Gallup does not include ratings of Congress or congressional leaders in its Daily tracking, and thus, there is no overall job approval rating of Boehner, Reid, or Congress directly comparable to Obama's current 40% overall job approval rating.

Fudging the data much?

Obama's approval rating NOW is 45% and rising...

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval

 

[Dragon]

[ It was an "organized on-line movement on the left to sit out the election"? You honestly believe that nonsense?

I saw it happen. In fact, if arguing against the tactic counts as being part of it, I was. (I thought the Democrats would take the wrong message. I was right. They did.)

Large blocks of the voters who gave the Democrats a victory in 2008 did sit out the midterm elections but it wasn't because the Democrats "tacked to the right"...it's because the Obama campaign promised them "Change You Can Believe In" and then gave them Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid writing bills while Barack flew around the country on Air Force One giving speeches.

Not quite, but you're close. Obama's leadership could have pushed through much better legislation than we got. He could have put a single-payer system on the table to begin with in the health-care debate, and then backed off from that to something much better than what we have; we could have had a public option if he had put his weight behind it. He could have appointed a progressive to Treasury, which would have acknowledged that he recognized where the problem lies -- instead, he appointed Tim Geithner, Wall Street stooge. At every stage of the process, he was either absent from the negotiations altogether, or pushing half-hearted solutions as if those were all we could get.

Not that he gets all the blame, of course. There's also the conservative Democrats in the Senate plus Joe Lieberman, who held veto power over legislation because all 60 votes were needed to break a filibuster, and of course the lock-step Republicans who made that necessary.

But all of this is another and longer way of saying what I said above: that Obama tacked to the right as soon as he took office, and this cost him much of the support that elected him in 2008. That same support manifested in the ill-considered electoral boycott of 2010, and later in Occupy.

This Administration has no ANSWERS to our problems. THAT is why enthusiasm is so wanting from the left. You guys got your "dream" President and he's turned out to be nothing more than an empty suit with a nice line of patter.

With this I completely agree. It was a naive mistake to simply get Obama elected and then sit back and relax, hoping he'd solve everything for us. Nevertheless, the lesson for the Republicans is clear if they're willing to see it: don't misread the results of 2010 as some kind of sign that the country wants right-wing solutions. You won that election by default only.

 

[daveman]

Barack Obama is winning the Rust Belt back. The overwhelming repeal in Ohio of Governor John Kasich’s anti-labor bill from last year shows that the GOP has gone way, way too far—too far for Democrats, obviously, but also for independents. It shows the potential for something else, too: the populist message can stick. “Class warfare” can work. It can take hold even with the people who allegedly despise our Kenyan leader the most: the white working class. And if this turns out to be right, then the Washington conventional wisdom will be proven as wrong as it’s been since 1998, when the Cokie Roberts caucus convinced itself that the American people wanted to throw Bill Clinton out of the White House over Monica.

But the larger context in which this vote took place is important, too. And that context is Operation Wall Street, income inequality, Republicans in Congress killing the jobs bill piece by piece, Obama finally getting some blood flowing through those veins again instead of water. People have started to care about class issues, and it’s pretty clear what they think: The Republican Party isn’t representing them (unless they happen to live in a household with an income of at least $368,000 a year). In the new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, 76 percent agreed that “the current economic structure of the country is out of balance and favors a small proportion of the rich over the rest of the country.”

Michael Tomasky: Ohio Vote Shows Obama Winning Back the Rust Belt - The Daily Beast

What's telling about your post, Chris is that you've admitted that the Obama Administration cannot run on it's economic record but has a chance to win if it embroils the country in class warfare.

So what happens if Obama "does" win? They can't raise taxes on the rich because that will kill the already anemic economic recovery. They shown themselves to be unwilling to cut spending. So what is Barack Obama going to "do" for the next 4 years if he does manage to employ enough smoke and mirrors to make the electorate focus on something other than his record?

Blame everyone but himself for his dismal failure.

 

[Chris]

PRINCETON, NJ -- President Obama's job approval rating is at a new low, averaging 40% in July 26-28 Gallup Daily tracking. His prior low rating of 41% occurred several times, the last of which was in April. As recently as June 7, Obama had 50% job approval.




Obama's approval rating averaged 46% in June and was near that level for most of July; however, it has stumbled in the past few days, coinciding with intensification of the debt ceiling/budget battle in Washington.

Obama's 40% overall approval rating nearly matches the recent 41% approval Americans gave him for handling the debt ceiling negotiations. Though Americans rate Obama poorly for his handling of the situation, they are less approving of how House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid are handling it. Gallup does not include ratings of Congress or congressional leaders in its Daily tracking, and thus, there is no overall job approval rating of Boehner, Reid, or Congress directly comparable to Obama's current 40% overall job approval rating.

Nice graph, Chris! Remind me again when it was that the Democrats took over control of Congress and control of spending?

The spending increase came from two useless wars and an unfunded Medicare drug program that Bush pushed.

Nice try though.

 

[Listening]

PRINCETON, NJ -- President Obama's job approval rating is at a new low, averaging 40% in July 26-28 Gallup Daily tracking. His prior low rating of 41% occurred several times, the last of which was in April. As recently as June 7, Obama had 50% job approval.

Obama's approval rating averaged 46% in June and was near that level for most of July; however, it has stumbled in the past few days, coinciding with intensification of the debt ceiling/budget battle in Washington.

Obama's 40% overall approval rating nearly matches the recent 41% approval Americans gave him for handling the debt ceiling negotiations. Though Americans rate Obama poorly for his handling of the situation, they are less approving of how House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid are handling it. Gallup does not include ratings of Congress or congressional leaders in its Daily tracking, and thus, there is no overall job approval rating of Boehner, Reid, or Congress directly comparable to Obama's current 40% overall job approval rating.

Fudging the data much?

Obama's approval rating NOW is 45% and rising...

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval

Wow....he's up to 45% !!!

You should be ecstatic.

At least he won't get his ass handed to him to bad come next November.

 

[Chris]

Barack Obama is winning the Rust Belt back. The overwhelming repeal in Ohio of Governor John Kasich’s anti-labor bill from last year shows that the GOP has gone way, way too far—too far for Democrats, obviously, but also for independents. It shows the potential for something else, too: the populist message can stick. “Class warfare” can work. It can take hold even with the people who allegedly despise our Kenyan leader the most: the white working class. And if this turns out to be right, then the Washington conventional wisdom will be proven as wrong as it’s been since 1998, when the Cokie Roberts caucus convinced itself that the American people wanted to throw Bill Clinton out of the White House over Monica.

But the larger context in which this vote took place is important, too. And that context is Operation Wall Street, income inequality, Republicans in Congress killing the jobs bill piece by piece, Obama finally getting some blood flowing through those veins again instead of water. People have started to care about class issues, and it’s pretty clear what they think: The Republican Party isn’t representing them (unless they happen to live in a household with an income of at least $368,000 a year). In the new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, 76 percent agreed that “the current economic structure of the country is out of balance and favors a small proportion of the rich over the rest of the country.”

Michael Tomasky: Ohio Vote Shows Obama Winning Back the Rust Belt - The Daily Beast

What's telling about your post, Chris is that you've admitted that the Obama Administration cannot run on it's economic record but has a chance to win if it embroils the country in class warfare.

So what happens if Obama "does" win? They can't raise taxes on the rich because that will kill the already anemic economic recovery. They shown themselves to be unwilling to cut spending. So what is Barack Obama going to "do" for the next 4 years if he does manage to employ enough smoke and mirrors to make the electorate focus on something other than his record?

Blame everyone but himself for his dismal failure.

Obama saved the country from another Great Depression, rebuilt GM, reformed healthcare, reformed Wall Street, doubled the stock market, created 19 straight months of private sector job growth, got Bin Laden, got Gaddafi, and got us out of Iraq.

Obama has been a success.

 

[bripat9643]

As obscure as this seems, it is actually extremely important. The chief reason that our deficit fell so dramatically in the late '90s is that we replaced a lot of old, very high-interest debt from the '70s and early '80s, with much lower interest debt. Even though the amount of debt was still increasing, the overall interest payments were reduced. We're still retiring some of that high-interest debt, but there's a lot less of it than there once was. When it's gone, our interest payments will begin to rise, reflecting the rising interest we are paying on new debt. When that happens, the deficit will rise even faster than it has been rising

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Hey thanks.

Wrong.

The reason the deficit fell is that we cut spending and increased taxes.

What a concept!

The only spending we cut was in the Defense Dept, and that was only possible because of the collapse of the Soviet Union. You can thank Reagan for that, not any Democrats.

 

[daveman]

PRINCETON, NJ -- President Obama's job approval rating is at a new low, averaging 40% in July 26-28 Gallup Daily tracking. His prior low rating of 41% occurred several times, the last of which was in April. As recently as June 7, Obama had 50% job approval.




Obama's approval rating averaged 46% in June and was near that level for most of July; however, it has stumbled in the past few days, coinciding with intensification of the debt ceiling/budget battle in Washington.

Obama's 40% overall approval rating nearly matches the recent 41% approval Americans gave him for handling the debt ceiling negotiations. Though Americans rate Obama poorly for his handling of the situation, they are less approving of how House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid are handling it. Gallup does not include ratings of Congress or congressional leaders in its Daily tracking, and thus, there is no overall job approval rating of Boehner, Reid, or Congress directly comparable to Obama's current 40% overall job approval rating.

Nice graph, Chris! Remind me again when it was that the Democrats took over control of Congress and control of spending?

The spending increase came from two useless wars and an unfunded Medicare drug program that Bush pushed.

Nice try though.

You're blaming Bush for the actions of the House.

 

[daveman]

What's telling about your post, Chris is that you've admitted that the Obama Administration cannot run on it's economic record but has a chance to win if it embroils the country in class warfare.

So what happens if Obama "does" win? They can't raise taxes on the rich because that will kill the already anemic economic recovery. They shown themselves to be unwilling to cut spending. So what is Barack Obama going to "do" for the next 4 years if he does manage to employ enough smoke and mirrors to make the electorate focus on something other than his record?

Blame everyone but himself for his dismal failure.

Obama saved the country from another Great Depression, rebuilt GM, reformed healthcare, reformed Wall Street, doubled the stock market, created 19 straight months of private sector job growth, got Bin Laden, got Gaddafi, and got us out of Iraq.

Obama has been a success.

That's some consolation to the millions of people out of work.

Hey, who you gonna believe...Obama or your own lyin' bank account?

 

[Chris]

Somebody needs to break the news to the Republican candidates looking to unseat President Barack Obama that the conservative tide that swept the nation in 2010 has receded. Denying public employees the right to bargain collectively and calling for strict limits on the reproductive rights of women won't necessarily play well in 2012.

At least it didn't on Tuesday, when voters in several telltale states went to the polls for local elections. Most encouraging for Democrats was the overwhelming defeat of Republican Ohio Gov. John Kasich's law limiting the collective bargaining rights of some 350,000 government workers.

The outcome is especially noteworthy because Ohio, with its 18 electoral votes, is such a critical swing state in presidential elections. Recent polls show President Obama has been gaining ground there (suggesting he would capture at least 50 percent of the vote no matter whom the GOP nominates from the current field) despite the state's economic woes.

It's obvious that Ohio voters respect the employment rights of their firefighters, police and teachers even as such public workers are vilified by the GOP. Whatever anti-government furor motivated the attacks on worker rights in Wisconsin by a tea party-inspired Republican governor and state legislature is clearly not catching on elsewhere.

In Mississippi, the lopsided defeat of the "personhood" amendment, the proposal to treat a fertilized egg as a human being, was instructive as well. Even in a state as conservative and anti-abortion as Mississippi, voters recognize it's possible for government intervention in one's personal life to go too far.

Election results: Ohio and Mississippi turn back conservative causes - Baltimore Sun

 

[Listening]

Obama saved the country from another Great Depression, rebuilt GM, reformed healthcare, reformed Wall Street, doubled the stock market, created 19 straight months of private sector job growth, got Bin Laden, got Gaddafi, and got us out of Iraq.

Obama has been a success.

Obama blew the health care debate, bought off the unions at GM, has destroyed the contitution, given millions to Wall Street, lost a bunch of jobs, did not close Gitmo, has had approval ratings below 40%, lost the house in 2 years in a landslide wipeout, has a bunch of crooks in the White House, got our credit rating reduced, and embarassed us with other countries.

He's been a real success.

If success means stepping on every cow paddy in the field.

 

[Listening]

PRINCETON, NJ -- President Obama's job approval rating is at a new low, averaging 40% in July 26-28 Gallup Daily tracking. His prior low rating of 41% occurred several times, the last of which was in April. As recently as June 7, Obama had 50% job approval.




Obama's approval rating averaged 46% in June and was near that level for most of July; however, it has stumbled in the past few days, coinciding with intensification of the debt ceiling/budget battle in Washington.

Obama's 40% overall approval rating nearly matches the recent 41% approval Americans gave him for handling the debt ceiling negotiations. Though Americans rate Obama poorly for his handling of the situation, they are less approving of how House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid are handling it. Gallup does not include ratings of Congress or congressional leaders in its Daily tracking, and thus, there is no overall job approval rating of Boehner, Reid, or Congress directly comparable to Obama's current 40% overall job approval rating.

Nice graph, Chris! Remind me again when it was that the Democrats took over control of Congress and control of spending?

The spending increase came from two useless wars and an unfunded Medicare drug program that Bush pushed.

Nice try though.

Well, I think if you look at the slope of the curve, you'll see he is correct.

Nice graph.

Where is 2000-2002 ?

 

[Listening]

Hey thanks.

Wrong.

The reason the deficit fell is that we cut spending and increased taxes.

What a concept!

It was right out of his FAQ's which he provided.

 

[Oldstyle]

What's telling about your post, Chris is that you've admitted that the Obama Administration cannot run on it's economic record but has a chance to win if it embroils the country in class warfare.

So what happens if Obama "does" win? They can't raise taxes on the rich because that will kill the already anemic economic recovery. They shown themselves to be unwilling to cut spending. So what is Barack Obama going to "do" for the next 4 years if he does manage to employ enough smoke and mirrors to make the electorate focus on something other than his record?

Blame everyone but himself for his dismal failure.

Obama saved the country from another Great Depression, rebuilt GM, reformed healthcare, reformed Wall Street, doubled the stock market, created 19 straight months of private sector job growth, got Bin Laden, got Gaddafi, and got us out of Iraq.

Obama has been a success.

TARP is what possibly saved us from another Great Depression, Ford has done better than GM and it didn't take a dime, Obamacare is a legislative "Frankenstein's monster" that has raised the cost of health care for Americans and given us one more unfunded entitlement program we can't afford, the root causes of the economic collapse weren't dealt with at all with the Wall Street reforms that were passed, he's overseen the longest period of high unemployment in our country's history and our first credit downgrade, he got Bin Laden because of Bush's policies for gathering intel that he himself opposed, he initially hemmed and hawwed on what to do with the Libyan situation allowing Gaddafi to launch a counter attack against the opposition costing thousands of unneeded casualties, he's "getting" us out of Iraq, don't count those chickens before they hatch.

If you define Obama as a success then your standards are rather low.