Wilson: Cheney and Libby Traitors

[Dr.Traveler]

Interesting that Scooter was convicted of something that never happened.

Fun game: Watch very closely the posting history of folks that claim Libby committed no crime, or scoff that "the best Fitzgerald could come up with was perjury."

Most of them are partisan hacks that consider Clinton's perjury over his infidelity high treason... But LIbby's perjury during an investigation into the possible outing of a CIA agent? All good.

Fact is, Patrick Fitzgerald is a pretty damn good prosecuter. Look at his record and you'll see this is a guy that just lives to do that job and will go after people regardless of the letter next to their name or the people they know. The fact that Fitzgerald didn't go after Armitage for breaking the law most certainly means that Plame wasn't protected under the law as an undercover agent. The fact that he did get a conviction on Libby shows that Libby is guilty of perjury. And yes, you can commit perjury even when there was no crime.

What was insanely stupid about the whole Plame situation is that the crime was the coverup, not the actual action. It's the Clinton impeachment hearings all over again. As POTUS Bush could have declassified any aspect of Wilson's report, including the identity of his wife and her role at the CIA. Instead, a lot of games were played with the express goal of discrediting Wilson but not actually catch blame for that action in public. IF Libby hadn't lied to cover his bosses from the political ramifications of Plame's outing, then there would have been no crime at all. Instead Libby gets convicted and his bosses paid no price, criminal or political, for his actions.

 

[Liability]

Interesting that Scooter was convicted of something that never happened.

Fun game: Watch very closely the posting history of folks that claim Libby committed no crime, or scoff that "the best Fitzgerald could come up with was perjury."

Most of them are partisan hacks that consider Clinton's perjury over his infidelity high treason... But LIbby's perjury during an investigation into the possible outing of a CIA agent? All good.

Fact is, Patrick Fitzgerald is a pretty damn good prosecuter. Look at his record and you'll see this is a guy that just lives to do that job and will go after people regardless of the letter next to their name or the people they know. The fact that Fitzgerald didn't go after Armitage for breaking the law most certainly means that Plame wasn't protected under the law as an undercover agent. The fact that he did get a conviction on Libby shows that Libby is guilty of perjury. And yes, you can commit perjury even when there was no crime.

What was insanely stupid about the whole Plame situation is that the crime was the coverup, not the actual action. It's the Clinton impeachment hearings all over again. As POTUS Bush could have declassified any aspect of Wilson's report, including the identity of his wife and her role at the CIA. Instead, a lot of games were played with the express goal of discrediting Wilson but not actually catch blame for that action in public. IF Libby hadn't lied to cover his bosses from the political ramifications of Plame's outing, then there would have been no crime at all. Instead Libby gets convicted and his bosses paid no price, criminal or political, for his actions.

Libby committed no perjury. Incorrect testimony can be attributed to perjury OR it can be attributed to the crush of events and -- a faulty memory.

Clinton committed no perjury, either, technically speaking. He lied in a Court proceeding under oath, but it was determined that the dishonest testimony was not "material," and thus his lie was not perjury.

 

[Liability]

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My Post 76 factually proves that Plame was covert.
You say otherwise, refute my post.
Thank you

Wrong. Post 76 "proves" nothing except that some people (like you) are more than willing to "buy" whatever a liberoidal partisan hack like Valerie Mrs. Ambassador Joey Wilson Plame has to peddle.

She was never subjected to critical cross examination and guys like you lap up any unproved contention that she was covert. Such silliness on your part.

You're welcome.

Interesting that Scooter was convicted of something that never happened.

LOL. You don't even know what Mr. Libby was convicted of.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Libby committed no perjury. Incorrect testimony can be attributed to perjury OR it can be attributed to the crush of events and -- a faulty memory.

Libby was convicted of perjury. The question of whether he committed it or not at that point is now a matter of semantics.

 

[Liability]

Libby committed no perjury. Incorrect testimony can be attributed to perjury OR it can be attributed to the crush of events and -- a faulty memory.

Libby was convicted of perjury. The question of whether he committed it or not at that point is now a matter of semantics.

If we all vote that Germany won World War II, then the fact that they actually lost is a matter of semantics.

Yes. Mr. Libby was convicted of perjury. But that doesn't mean he is actually guilty (except in the eyes of the law). Fucking OJ Simpson got acquitted of two murders he committed, but that doesn't make him ACTUALLY innocent, either.

 

[taichiliberal]

To clear it up even further for you deliberately obtuse liberoidal idiots:

Armitage gave it up.

But it's ok.

The bitch wasn't a covert agent anyway.

Okay, one more time for the cheap seats:

Armitage spoke of information that was circulated in a MEMO that was NOT "for your eyes" only, and NOT deemed "confidential" or "classified". Armitage NEVER STATED THAT HE WAS THE SOLE RECIPIENT OF THE MEMO.....this was why he and other neocon defenders ran around saying it was "common knowledge" that Plame was a covert agent. Of course, only the willfully ignorant ignore the FACT that this knowledge became "common" AFTER the memo was put out by Libby. Why Armitage decided to lay claim to being the culprit is anyone's guess.

Now the question remains as to how and why Libby would put in a non-classified memo for various senators and Capitol Hill folk to read information that was ORIGINALLY DEEMED FOR ONLY THE EYES OF THE VICE PRESIDENT? Rmember, the CIA official himself (Fitzgerald, I believe) testified that Plame was covert and neither she or her mission and it's operatives were "common knowledge" on the Hill....since it's not common practice to publish such information in memos to folk without specific security clearance.

Those are facts....if you can disprove them, then have at it.

One more time, then, to correct the misinformation conveyed from the cheap liberoidal theatrics: How are FACTS "theatrics"? I guess someone who thinks a childish neologism like "liberoidal" is an effective, mature insult would think so.

If the MEMO had not been conveyed to the PRESS prior to Armitage opening his yap, then Armitage remains the one who "outed" the non-covert mere analyst of the CIA.

Wrong again.....being "outed" does not require the information being in national news papers....it just requires the information to be put an open forum that can be accessed by anyone. When you read about spies (foreign or domestic) being held for trial , they were compromised in various ways that led to their capture LONG before the press gets the information. Again, Armitage didn't RELEASE or DISCOVER the information....it was GIVEN to him by LIBBY in a memo. How did Libby get it? Why did he put it in a memo?

Fitzgerald was the "special" persecutor. His making any claim is subject to being proved-up. He might even fucking believe the stuff he was claiming, but his belief doesn't convert his error into anything factually correct.

Once again, you display your searing ignorance on the subject. For your education, Fitzgerald wasn't making a "claim", he was pointing to declassified information from the CIA. Hell, CIA DIRECTOR GEN. MICHAEL HAYDEN PUBLICALLY CONFIRMED FITZGERALD'S STATEMENTS IN A PREVIOUS STATEMENT TO SENATOR WAXMAN'S DURING HEARINGS. You'd know this if you'd done your homework properly.

Plame HAD (at some point) been a NOC. She herself did not exactly carefully guard it, but she did have it. The fact that she had been given a NOC at some point -- standing alone -- does not confer upon her covert operative or covert agent status forever thereafter.

Under the LAW (as to which you might benefit from referring to the posts regarding Toensing previously offered by the T), very important other specific conditions are required. And Plame answering softball questions from a partisan Congresscritter doesn't qualify as proof if, like me, one believes that Ms. Plame is lying.

Toensing was totally discredited by an exchange between Rep. Cummings and Hayden (do your homework, will ya please). Plame's WAS in charge of an ON-GOING covert operation...FACT.

Your BS supposition and conjecture, coupled with your blatant ignorance of the facts, just makes you another neocon wonk happy that Libby threw himself on the sword (perjury) to stymie further investigation. But the FACTS remain the same.

 

[taichiliberal]

lock this stupid thread.................

It reads like a lefty navel contemplation meeting!!!!

Nobody cares about this except the lefty internet k00ks!!!

So a covert operation to maintain a watch on nuclear material in areas were terrorist organizations abound was SCREWED because Libby leaked information to Armitage that ONLY CHENEY was privy to....and that's OKAY by you, right genius?

 

[DiveCon]

lock this stupid thread.................

It reads like a lefty navel contemplation meeting!!!!

Nobody cares about this except the lefty internet k00ks!!!

So a covert operation to maintain a watch on nuclear material in areas were terrorist organizations abound was SCREWED because Libby leaked information to Armitage that ONLY CHENEY was privy to....and that's OKAY by you, right genius?

Libby didnt leak anything, moron

 

[Liability]

Libby didn't leak anything, as DiveCon correctly noted;

and Toensing wasn't discredited at all.

She helped draft the law and her testimony about it was right on the money.

Plame lied and you liberoidal assbites lapped it up.

No wonder tackylib can't post effectively.

 

[Yurt]

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Yup

your leader, obama, doesn't think so

 

[taichiliberal]

Libby didn't leak anything, as DiveCon correctly noted;

Really? Because the information regardings Plame's COVERT operation was forwarded by the CIA to CHENEY, in a FOR YOUR EYES ONLY file. This means that Cheney was in the habit of either sharing classified information with Libby and/or gave said information to Libby for public distribution. To dumb it down for you.....either Libby lifted said information and acted on his own or he was acting on approval of Cheney or Cheney was in the habit of breaking security protocol by giving classified information to subordinates. None these scenarios bodes well.


and Toensing wasn't discredited at all.

Not Toensing personally, just the statements she was making, as CIA Director Hayden testified to that effect.

She helped draft the law and her testimony about it was right on the money.

Wrong again, as CIA Director will tell you.

Plame lied and you liberoidal assbites lapped it up.

No wonder tackylib can't post effectively.

As you can see folks, we're dealing with a mindset that thinks "liberoidal" is a mature an effective insult....which is small wonder why Liability will quote an idiot like DiveCon in an insipidly stubborn parroting of LONG DISPROVED talking points. FACTS disprove Toesning, FACTS point out the incorrect assertion that Armitage "outed" Plame, FACTS point to Libby's and Cheney's questionable actions that led to the outing of a covert agent heading an operation that monitored nuke material and terrorist activity. FACTS of the CIA confirming Plame's covert status are what neocon parrots like Liability have to ignore and deny in order to continue their blatherings.

 

[JimH52]

The only thing Plame was doing, was her job. It was Cheney and his boy who outed her. It wasn't the President's office because, remember, DICK argued that he wasn't part of the administration. I guess he was some kind of "prince."

 

[DiveCon]

The only thing Plame was doing, was her job. It was Cheney and his boy who outed her. It wasn't the President's office because, remember, DICK argued that he wasn't part of the administration. I guess he was some kind of "prince."

was "Armitage" Cheney's "boy"?

 

[Liability]

Libby didn't leak anything, as DiveCon correctly noted;

Really? Because the information regardings Plame's COVERT operation was forwarded by the CIA to CHENEY, in a FOR YOUR EYES ONLY file. This means that Cheney was in the habit of either sharing classified information with Libby and/or gave said information to Libby for public distribution. To dumb it down for you.....either Libby lifted said information and acted on his own or he was acting on approval of Cheney or Cheney was in the habit of breaking security protocol by giving classified information to subordinates. None these scenarios bodes well.


and Toensing wasn't discredited at all.

Not Toensing personally, just the statements she was making, as CIA Director Hayden testified to that effect.

She helped draft the law and her testimony about it was right on the money.

Wrong again, as CIA Director will tell you.

Plame lied and you liberoidal assbites lapped it up.

No wonder tackylib can't post effectively.

As you can see folks, we're dealing with a mindset that thinks "liberoidal" is a mature an effective insult....which is small wonder why Liability will quote an idiot like DiveCon in an insipidly stubborn parroting of LONG DISPROVED talking points. FACTS disprove Toesning, FACTS point out the incorrect assertion that Armitage "outed" Plame, FACTS point to Libby's and Cheney's questionable actions that led to the outing of a covert agent heading an operation that monitored nuke material and terrorist activity. FACTS of the CIA confirming Plame's covert status are what neocon parrots like Liability have to ignore and deny in order to continue their blatherings.

As apparently everyone but you can see, Tackylib, you accept the half-cocked NON testimony of Hayden because you choose to believe whatever slop will help you reach your desired conclusion.

Your debating skillz are crazy mad.

In reality, though, nobody contradicted Toensing.

There remains not one stitch of verified information that Plame was within the ambit of the law authored in part by Ms. Toensing.

I put all of that in red because you evidently ascribe great weight to font color!

 

[kiwiman127]

To clear it up even further for you deliberately obtuse liberoidal idiots:

Armitage gave it up.

But it's ok.

The bitch wasn't a covert agent anyway.

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My Post 76 factually proves that Plame was covert.
You say otherwise, refute my post.
Thank you

Wrong. Post 76 "proves" nothing except that some people (like you) are more than willing to "buy" whatever a liberoidal partisan hack like Valerie Mrs. Ambassador Joey Wilson Plame has to peddle.

She was never subjected to critical cross examination and guys like you lap up any unproved contention that she was covert. Such silliness on your part.

You're welcome.

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Wow, I offered indisputable facts and you STILL go into denial!!! Unreal! I bet you didn't even go and read the pdf link to the court papers that indicated that without a doubt Plame was covert.
Here, go to this link and then either come back with a factual rebuttal or be a man and admit you are wrong, wrong, wrong!
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/se...mployement.pdf

 

[Liability]

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My Post 76 factually proves that Plame was covert.
You say otherwise, refute my post.
Thank you

Wrong. Post 76 "proves" nothing except that some people (like you) are more than willing to "buy" whatever a liberoidal partisan hack like Valerie Mrs. Ambassador Joey Wilson Plame has to peddle.

She was never subjected to critical cross examination and guys like you lap up any unproved contention that she was covert. Such silliness on your part.

You're welcome.

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Wow, I offered indisputable facts and you STILL go into denial!!! Unreal! I bet you didn't even go and read the pdf link to the court papers that indicated that without a doubt Plame was covert.
Here, go to this link and then either come back with a factual rebuttal or be a man and admit you are wrong, wrong, wrong!
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/se...mployement.pdf

Wow. No. You offered NO indisputable facts. You didn't even offer laughably passable "facts."

You offered second hand hearsay as "evidence." It doesn't even pass a good old fashioned sniff test.

There are NO Court papers that "prove" that Plame was covert, by the way.

Oh, and your linkie is stinky. Busted link. Try again. Only this time, (a) provide a working link and (b) try to provide source more "credible" than fucking MSLSD. Thanks so much.

 

[JimH52]

Libby took the fall for Cheney and concealed his participation in the whole scheme. I hope Cheney is giving Libby and his family financial support now.

Exclusive: Cheney’s admissions to the CIA leak prosecutor and FBI | Murray Waas

 

[DiveCon]

Libby took the fall for Cheney and concealed his participation in the whole scheme. I hope Cheney is giving Libby and his family financial support now.

Exclusive: Cheney’s admissions to the CIA leak prosecutor and FBI | Murray Waas

oh, such a reliable source there


NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[taichiliberal]

Libby didn't leak anything, as DiveCon correctly noted;

Really? Because the information regardings Plame's COVERT operation was forwarded by the CIA to CHENEY, in a FOR YOUR EYES ONLY file. This means that Cheney was in the habit of either sharing classified information with Libby and/or gave said information to Libby for public distribution. To dumb it down for you.....either Libby lifted said information and acted on his own or he was acting on approval of Cheney or Cheney was in the habit of breaking security protocol by giving classified information to subordinates. None these scenarios bodes well.


and Toensing wasn't discredited at all.

Not Toensing personally, just the statements she was making, as CIA Director Hayden testified to that effect.

She helped draft the law and her testimony about it was right on the money.

Wrong again, as CIA Director will tell you.

Plame lied and you liberoidal assbites lapped it up.

No wonder tackylib can't post effectively.

As you can see folks, we're dealing with a mindset that thinks "liberoidal" is a mature an effective insult....which is small wonder why Liability will quote an idiot like DiveCon in an insipidly stubborn parroting of LONG DISPROVED talking points. FACTS disprove Toesning, FACTS point out the incorrect assertion that Armitage "outed" Plame, FACTS point to Libby's and Cheney's questionable actions that led to the outing of a covert agent heading an operation that monitored nuke material and terrorist activity. FACTS of the CIA confirming Plame's covert status are what neocon parrots like Liability have to ignore and deny in order to continue their blatherings.

As apparently everyone but you can see, Tackylib, you accept the half-cocked NON testimony of Hayden because you choose to believe whatever slop will help you reach your desired conclusion.

Your debating skillz are crazy mad.

In reality, though, nobody contradicted Toensing.

There remains not one stitch of verified information that Plame was within the ambit of the law authored in part by Ms. Toensing.

I put all of that in red because you evidently ascribe great weight to font color!

And here's were we realize that we're dealing with another willfully ignorant and insipidly stubborn neocon parrot folks.

Acting CIA Director General Michael Hayden during House Hearings stated IN HIS TESTIMONY to Rep. Waxman in 2007. A matter of history, a matter of fact.

Toesning was proven wrong....period. Anyone who is interested in the truth can verify what I state here with some simple, honest research.

Now let's watch this simpleton Liability spin in denial and repetition.

 

[Liability]

As you can see folks, we're dealing with a mindset that thinks "liberoidal" is a mature an effective insult....which is small wonder why Liability will quote an idiot like DiveCon in an insipidly stubborn parroting of LONG DISPROVED talking points. FACTS disprove Toesning, FACTS point out the incorrect assertion that Armitage "outed" Plame, FACTS point to Libby's and Cheney's questionable actions that led to the outing of a covert agent heading an operation that monitored nuke material and terrorist activity. FACTS of the CIA confirming Plame's covert status are what neocon parrots like Liability have to ignore and deny in order to continue their blatherings.

As apparently everyone but you can see, Tackylib, you accept the half-cocked NON testimony of Hayden because you choose to believe whatever slop will help you reach your desired conclusion.

Your debating skillz are crazy mad.

In reality, though, nobody contradicted Toensing.

There remains not one stitch of verified information that Plame was within the ambit of the law authored in part by Ms. Toensing.

I put all of that in red because you evidently ascribe great weight to font color!

And here's were we realize that we're dealing with another willfully ignorant and insipidly stubborn neocon parrot folks.

Acting CIA Director General Michael Hayden during House Hearings stated IN HIS TESTIMONY to Rep. Waxman in 2007. A matter of history, a matter of fact. [ ]

Toesning was proven wrong....period. Anyone who is interested in the truth can verify what I state here with some simple, honest research.

Now let's watch this simpleton Liability spin in denial and repetition.

Quote it. Provide the relevant and valid link, you dishonest or ignorant dipstick. In fairness to you, let's pretend that you are merely ignorant, you ignorant douche bag.

Then thrill us with the grueling cross-examination to which the "testimony" was subjected.

P.S. You will not be able to do this. Why not? Because the matter of history and "fact [sic]" you pretend to offer is neither. You are a used tampon, tackylib.