Will We Be Saved by Regulation?

If you'd done the research I suggested, you wouldn't need to be name-calling.

So you have no answer. Typical.

Already answered. The fact that you don't recognize it just underscores your bias. Perhaps if you spent less time name-calling and concentrated more on the content of a post, you wouldn't run into this problem so often.

Ah yes the usual liberal tactic:
X is the case.
Can you prove X is the case?
Here <insert Rachel Maddow clip>
That doesnt prove anything. It's just her saying what you've said.
Well it's true.
Can you prove that?
I already did.

Yeah circular reasoning is the stock in trade of the left. Rabbi Rules!
 
You didn't read the first sentence? Re-read and it should be self-evident. If not, do some research.

Keeping the deposit and investment banks separate is some kind of achievement? That's dumber than your normal point.



in terms even simpletons like you can understand ..


It prevented banks from using depositors' funds for risky investments such as the stock market...


do you need a 4th grader to read and explain it to you?

It actually did nothing of the kind.
Next.
 
Keeping the deposit and investment banks separate is some kind of achievement? That's dumber than your normal point.



in terms even simpletons like you can understand ..


It prevented banks from using depositors' funds for risky investments such as the stock market...


do you need a 4th grader to read and explain it to you?

It actually did nothing of the kind.
Next.

All these posting and you've said NOTHING.
Nothing new.
The only reason I read your postings is so that when you FINALLY say something other than, "You're stupid!", I can say a she-he-chi-yah-new (Jew talk...a blessing over a new occurrence).

In other words, you're a vacuous idiot.
 
Keeping the deposit and investment banks separate is some kind of achievement? That's dumber than your normal point.



in terms even simpletons like you can understand ..


It prevented banks from using depositors' funds for risky investments such as the stock market...


do you need a 4th grader to read and explain it to you?

It actually did nothing of the kind.
Next.




actually, it did.
http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/banking/glass-steagall-act-explained/





If you know the Law why do you keep asking how it works ?
 
Last edited:
Every time a problem comes up the Left screams for more regulation. Have the thousands of pages of regulation we already have really made anything better?
Glass-Steagel was in force from the 1930s to the 1990s and there were plenty of bank failures all during that time. Sarbanes-Oxley came into being after the Enron scandal. But it failed to stop a lot of other failures. Not coincidentally it also stopped a lot of legitimate business, which moved to Europe and elsewhere.
Dodd-Frank has done nothing but enshrine Too Big To Fail, guaranteeing another taxpayer bailout down the road.
The SEC didnt discover the Madoff scandal until way too late.
And currently Obama's appointee at the Fed, Yellin, thinks she can keep interest rates at zero forever but will battle the inevitable bubbles through regulation. Good luck with that.
Why this faith in something that is a proven failure?

There are laws against murder. Murder still happens. Why this faith in something that is a proven failure?


You see where your illogic collapses now?
 
The erosion of Glass-Steagall was gradual, but the final result was that commercial banking and investment banking were able to once again intermingle, with disastrous results.

To say there were banking crises before Glass-Steagall's repeal as if that was the same as the banking crisis of 2007-2009 is like comparing Jack the Ripper to Adolf Hitler.

The last big banking crisis before the 2008 crash, the S&L crisis, was the result of a relaxation of Glass-Steagall. The 2008 crash was, in part, the result of the last of the Glass-Steagall walls coming down.

But there was much more in plan than the end of Glass-Steagall.

The biggest cause was that as new financial products were invented, the regulations did not keep up with them. It would be like sticking with rules of the road for horses and buggies well into the automobile age. No traffic lights or stop signs, no speed limits, no drunk driving laws, no school zones, etc.

If bad loans were the only problem behind the most recent banking crisis, it would not have been anywhere near the scale it actually was.

The crisis was exacerbated by the total lack of regulation of derivatives which allow the hazards of leveraging to be greatly amplified. Congress basically wrote laws which said there would be no traffic lights or stop signs or speed limits or drunk driving laws or school zones. They refused to put any controls on these new instruments of banking and turned Wall Street into an actual casino.

No, it was actually worse than that. They turned Wall Street into a bucket shop.
 
Those who want deregulation want to have their cake and eat it, too.

For instance, suppose a banker sells you a completely fraudulent financial product and you lose millions. Suppose also there is no law against that banker selling you that kind of bogus product.

When explaining how you lost millions and pointing out the fraudulence of the banker, those who have no clue of what is going on will get all blank faced and ask, "Well, what laws did he break?"

The banker stole that money by fraudulent means, but he does not go to jail thanks to the rubes in the community who have swallowed the deregulation piss.

Then the rubes think everything is hunky dory with the current system because no one is going to jail!
 
Last edited:
Those bankers who were caught breaking what few laws do exist only had to pay lunch money fines, with no admission of wrongdoing.

Those fines often added up to less than the profits they made from their illegal ventures!

So our government is actually incentivizing more fraud. Which is exactly what is happening.
 
So you have no answer. Typical.

Already answered. The fact that you don't recognize it just underscores your bias. Perhaps if you spent less time name-calling and concentrated more on the content of a post, you wouldn't run into this problem so often.

Ah yes the usual liberal tactic:
X is the case.
Can you prove X is the case?
Here <insert Rachel Maddow clip>
That doesnt prove anything. It's just her saying what you've said.
Well it's true.
Can you prove that?
I already did.

Yeah circular reasoning is the stock in trade of the left. Rabbi Rules!

That seems to be your M.O., not mine. If you don't like a given cite, say why. Don't just act like no argument has been given. You proved you're doing the same as you accuse others of doing by making a specious argument and then claiming victory. "Rabbi Rules" smacks of "Mission Accomplished", a hollow victory given later events.
 
Daniel Sparks and Tom Montag: Goldman Sachs. Constructed the fraudulent Timberwolf billion dollar toxic mortgage security and sold it to investors (you), then profited by betting against it. Deliberately stuffed the security with mortgages they knew were toxic so they could bet on its failure while also profiting from its sale it to investors.

Goldman Sued Again for


Brian H. Stoker: Citigroup. Constructed the fraudulent Class V Funding III CDO-squared which ripped off investors (you) for over $700 million.

He stole $700 million and paid a fine of $285 million. Is this a disincentive to steal?!?!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/20/business/citigroup-to-pay-285-million-to-settle-sec-charges.html


Fabrice Tourre: Goldman Sachs. John Paulson: Paulson & Co. Inc . Constructed the fraudulent Abacus 2007-ac1 CDO for which Goldman Sachs was fined but no one went to prison. Tourre allowed hedge fund manager John Paulson to select the toxic mortgages to be placed in the CDO so Goldman Sachs and Paulson could bet against it.

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2010/comp-pr2010-59.pdf


Angelo Mozilo: Countrywide CEO. Committed the exact same kind of crime as the Enron CEO and financial officers did, and yet he walks free. Mozillo kept telling investors that Countrywide was "consistently producing quality mortgages" while his internal memos show that he was well aware his company was creating the most toxic mortgages on the planet. The SEC originally demanded a jury trial for Mozillo, but he ultimately walked away with a fine and no admission of wrongdoing.

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2009/comp21068.pdf


Richard Harriton: Bear Stearns. Along with 13 executives and brokers, defrauded investors of $75 million through stock manipulation.

Bear Stearns paid the SEC a fine of $38.5 million, half of the amount they stole from their investors!

Bear Stearns in $38M settlement - Aug. 5, 1999





Roland Arnall: Ameriquest. Inventor of the &#8220;stated asset&#8221; (NINJA) loan.

Paid a $325 million settlement with 49 state AGs in early 2006 for misrepresenting and failing to disclose loan terms, charging excessive loan origination fees and inflating appraisals to qualify borrowers for loans.

March 2006, installed as US ambassador to the Netherlands!

How a Gang of Predatory Lenders and Wall Street Bankers Fleeced America -- and Spawned a Global Crisis | John Mauldin | Safehaven.com

Roland Arnall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Check out that last one. Remember Nannygate? Someone hired a nanny ten years previously who was an illegal immigrant and couldn't get their presidential appointment confirmed by Congress.

But this sleazebag from Ameriquest gets nominated and confirmed as a US Ambassador right after being caught as one of the biggest criminals on Wall Street!

If that does not tell you that our federal government is aiding and abetting these fuckers, nothing will.

You can't make this shit up.

This guy had his brokers forge borrowers' signatures on subprime loans.

Don't believe me? Read this: How a Gang of Predatory Lenders and Wall Street Bankers Fleeced America -- and Spawned a Global Crisis | John Mauldin | Safehaven.com

Read every word of that.


Every one of these bastards is walking free.

If a criminal came into your house and took your stuff, and then he was caught by the police and paid a small fine and got to keep your stuff, would you not be pissed off as hell?

That is what is going on.

And this isn't even touching on the LIBOR scandal. Or the ISDAfix being fixed. Or metals pricing being manipulated by Goldman Sachs.

There's enough going on on Wall Street to keep the GOP very, very busy with hearings for years to come.


And yet they are dead silent. Too busy manufacturing bullshit about Benghazi to do something about the the very DNA of our capitalist system being destroyed from within.

Hmmmmm...
 
Last edited:
Here is the Commodites Futures Modernization Act of 2000, more commonly known as Gramm-Leach-Bliley: http://www.cftc.gov/ucm/groups/public/@lrrulesandstatutoryauthority/documents/file/ogchr5660.pdf

Now lookee here:

This Act shall supersede and preempt the application of any State or local law that prohibits or regulates gaming or the operation of bucket shops

You see that "preempt" bit? That is what is known as a federal preemption.

I have spoken of these many times. Our federal legislators put these in laws all the time. It is a federal preemption of State laws. The kind of thing that gets states rights people's panties in a giant wad.

And yet they did not make a peep about this one. Not a peep. Fox News didn't vomit themselves blue over it. Nope.


Do you understand the meaning of this federal preemption?

It is saying State laws which regulate casinos and bucket shops are hereby null and void...for banks.

For BANKS.

Do you know what a bucket shop is? If you don't, read this:

"Bucket shop" is a defined term under the criminal law of many states in the United States that make it a crime to operate a bucket shop.[2] Typically the criminal law definition refers to an operation in which the customer is sold what is supposed to be a derivative interest in a security or commodity future, but there is no transaction made on any exchange. The transaction goes 'in the bucket' and is never executed. Without an actual underlying transaction, the customer is betting against the bucket shop operator, not participating in the market. Alternatively, the bucket shop operator "literally 'plays the bank,' as in a gambling house, against the customer." [3] Operating a bucket shop in the United States would also likely involve violations of several provisions of federal securities or commodity futures laws.[4]

It is a kind of clip joint. They are illegal under the criminal law of many states. Except...you know...the CFMA went and nulled and voided those states' laws, now didn't it.

Now ask yourself, why does a broker-dealer, the guy who sells CDOs and CDS's and synthetic CDOs to your 401k fund, need to be exempted from laws regulating casinos and illegal clip joints?

Things that make you go, "Hmmm..."


Later, after your 401k was clipped, after your local college's endowment fund was clipped, after your state and local treasurers were clipped, after your state's public employee pension fund was clipped, after your insurance company was clipped, the retards who have no fucking clue about what is going on asked, "Duhhhhh, what laws were broken? They didn't break the law."


Those LAWS WERE PREEMPTED BY YOUR BOUGHT AND PAID FOR FEDERAL LEGISLATORS, DIPSHITS.
 
Last edited:
There are good regulations and there are bad regulations.

A regulation that says, "You must circle your chair three times before sitting down" is a bad regulation.

A regulation that says, "You will not make a chair out of toxic waste" is a good regulation.


I am for good regulation, not no regulation.

Now suppose it is a lot cheaper to make a chair out of toxic waste than it is to make a chair out of some good pine.

Those who whine about regulations then say, "Regulations cost money!" You know, because it cost more to make a pine chair than a toxic waste chair.

A lot of this whining about the cost of regulations is therefore bogus. The money spent to meet some regulations saves a lot of money in the long run. You know, like not spending money on medical care for toxic waste poisoning and shit like that.

We wouldn't even have to have regulations about toxic waste if some dipshits had not done something stupid or harmful with toxic waste.

Just so with banking regulations.
 
Last edited:
On the other hand...

If there was a regulation that said you had to have 23 years of apprenticeship training before you were allowed to make a chair on your own, then you are probably seeing a regulation that the furniture industry actually asked to be enacted. And they probably doled out a lot of campaign cash to get that regulation enacted.

The more difficult they can make it to break into the chair making business, the less competition they will have, see.

So we have to take away those kind of corrupt regulations. We have to question just how much power over chair making we want to give our politicians where they have the ability to fuck up free enterprise that has nothing to do with the public welfare.

Water down their power, and you have instant campaign finance reform. They aren't going to get campaign cash for doing something they cannot do, see.
 
Last edited:
There are good regulations and there are bad regulations.

A regulation that says, "You must circle your chair three times before sitting down" is a bad regulation.

A regulation that says, "You will not make a chair out of toxic waste" is a good regulation.


I am for good regulation, not no regulation.

Now suppose it is a lot cheaper to make a chair out of toxic waste than it is to make a chair out of some good pine.

Those who whine about regulations then say, "Regulations cost money!" You know, because it cost more to make a pine chair than a toxic waste chair.

A lot of this whining about the cost of regulations is therefore bogus. The money spent to meet some regulations saves a lot of money in the long run. You know, like not spending money on medical care for toxic waste poisoning and shit like that.

We wouldn't even have to have regulations about toxic waste if some dipshits had not done something stupid or harmful with toxic waste.

Just so with banking regulations.

Who would make a chair out of toxic waste? It's nonsense. They'd be sued out of business.
 
There are good regulations and there are bad regulations.

A regulation that says, "You must circle your chair three times before sitting down" is a bad regulation.

A regulation that says, "You will not make a chair out of toxic waste" is a good regulation.


I am for good regulation, not no regulation.

Now suppose it is a lot cheaper to make a chair out of toxic waste than it is to make a chair out of some good pine.

Those who whine about regulations then say, "Regulations cost money!" You know, because it cost more to make a pine chair than a toxic waste chair.

A lot of this whining about the cost of regulations is therefore bogus. The money spent to meet some regulations saves a lot of money in the long run. You know, like not spending money on medical care for toxic waste poisoning and shit like that.

We wouldn't even have to have regulations about toxic waste if some dipshits had not done something stupid or harmful with toxic waste.

Just so with banking regulations.

Who would make a chair out of toxic waste? It's nonsense. They'd be sued out of business.

It was an analogy.

But...who would dump toxic waste where it could get into groundwater? It's nonsense. They'd be sued out of business.


Oh, wait...

Oh, wait, again...
 
Last edited:
There are good regulations and there are bad regulations.

A regulation that says, "You must circle your chair three times before sitting down" is a bad regulation.

A regulation that says, "You will not make a chair out of toxic waste" is a good regulation.


I am for good regulation, not no regulation.

Now suppose it is a lot cheaper to make a chair out of toxic waste than it is to make a chair out of some good pine.

Those who whine about regulations then say, "Regulations cost money!" You know, because it cost more to make a pine chair than a toxic waste chair.

A lot of this whining about the cost of regulations is therefore bogus. The money spent to meet some regulations saves a lot of money in the long run. You know, like not spending money on medical care for toxic waste poisoning and shit like that.

We wouldn't even have to have regulations about toxic waste if some dipshits had not done something stupid or harmful with toxic waste.

Just so with banking regulations.

Who would make a chair out of toxic waste? It's nonsense. They'd be sued out of business.

It was an analogy.

But...who would dump toxic waste where it could get into groundwater? It's nonsense. They'd be sued out of business.


Oh, wait...

They were sued out of existence. It was also a different time and different tort environment.
 
Who would make a chair out of toxic waste? It's nonsense. They'd be sued out of business.

It was an analogy.

But...who would dump toxic waste where it could get into groundwater? It's nonsense. They'd be sued out of business.


Oh, wait...

They were sued out of existence.

No they weren't. They were bought up by Occidental Petroleum and alive and prospering.

It was also a different time and different tort environment.

It is a different REGULATORY environment. Precisely because of shit like that!
 
Last edited:

Forum List

Back
Top