Will The Republican Party Split In Two?

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    Watching the interesting struggle within the Republican Party to decide on a nominee, and the acidic, highly divisive ideological issues coursing through the political biosphere, I am put in mind of another time when the nation was similarly divided along ideological lines, and when it was the Democratic Party, not the Republicans, that were so torn apart. I'm referring to the lead-up to the 1860 election.

    At that time, although the issues were different, the dynamic was similar, in that a minority of the Democrats wanted an uncompromising, ideologically pure approach to the issue of slavery, while the majority (but not a big one) preferred a more moderate approach that would accept some compromise. When it became clear that a united party would nominate the moderate Stephen A. Douglas, the fire-eating Southern Democrats seceded from the party and nominated their own candidate, John C. Breckenridge.

    The Democrats, by running two opposing candidates for president, threw the election to Abraham Lincoln, the nominee of the new Republican Party, and set the nation on the road to calamity.

    Although the particulars differ, it seems to me that passions within the GOP are running as high today as they were within the Democrats in 1860. Will the Republicans unite behind a single candidate today? Or will the party split in two, as the Dems did on the brink of the Civil War?
     
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    I sure as hell hope not.

    To me at this time removing Obama is far more important than ideology. We can iron out all the bullshit in the next election when there isn't so much at stake.

    Just my 2 cents.
     
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    The man has a piss poor memory.

    Democrats flushed the blue dogs from their mists.

    They even put those grass root members on buses to take out Lieberman.

    stupid premise.
     
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    Nope.
     
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    Unlikely. By and large, the base will vote for who they're told to vote for.
     
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    Unlikely. The 1860 paralel isn't really valid, as political parties weren't as organized as they were now. Keep in mind, this split in the Democratic party echoed the split in the country. There really were two Democratic parties. The Whig party had died less than a decade before, and the Republican Party was relatively new, this being only its second national election.

    (Irony of Ironies, the 1856 Republican Platform promised to ban the twin pillars of barbarism- Slavery and Polygamy. The 1856 GOP was ANTI-Mormon.)

    There was also a Constitutionalist Union Party that won the border states between North and South that were slave states that stayed in the union.

    I do think that if the GOP is undergoing a schism of a sort, between the working class/evangelical/TEA movement that doesn't like what is going on in Washington and Wall Street, and the GOP Establishment, that wants to conduct business as usual.

    I also think that the Democrats have schism between their "business as usual" class and Occupiers...

    But I suspect at the end of the day, all the Occupiers will get behind Obama and all the TeaPartiers will get behind Romney... and the can of fixing the real problems will get kicked down the road for four years as Obama struggles through his second lame-duck term.
     
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    I don't want to see Obama get a second term, but no way in hell am I voting for Romney.
     
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    You mean they haven't already? Actually whatever calls itself Republican today isn't. I was raised a Republican and haven't recognized anything familiar coming out of that camp in years.

    The Party should split in two. Perhaps then, one side might have the opportunity to again embrace the true Republican ideals and political agendas it once advanced.
     
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    Sorry, meant to do this as thread...

    Then again, in a Obama vs. Romney contest, The Donald would take on a whole new luster.
     
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    If Mitt Romney gets the nomination, you won't have much of a choice. Both are moderates hand-picked by the establishment. It would be like the scenerio in Futurama when the two presidential candidates happen to be clones.

    And to answer the OP, the split in the Big Business Party has existed for over 150 years; these factions are known as the Democratic and Republican parties. Every time a hero like Ross Perot comes around and actually gives you a different choice, the media trains you to dismiss or hate them.
     

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