You can't have a "serious" debate if you keep defending losing arguments that you have to know are indefensible. Health care for Americans is NOT bad. We didn't "win" in Iraq. They hate us. There is no "America Appreciation Day". Their women are now enslaved in Burkas when they weren't before. In other words, the "cure" is much worse than the "disease". Bush really did say that he didn't think about Bin Laden and he really did close down the CIA unit assigned with finding Bin Laden. A 13.9% tax rate on someone who made more than $20,000,000.00 is indefensible. A country totally controlled by the wealthy and corporations is NOT a good thing. Corporations are NOT people my friend. Cutting education by a half billion to a billion per state is not defensible. Science is NOT a faith. You can stop abortion, but you can't punish the mother by not helping her once she is forced to have the baby. Saying "It's her fault she got pregnant" is not enough. Scientists are not lazy liars with an agenda. Acceptable levels of new birth defects to create jobs is not to be defended. And while we're at it. The Grand Canyon did NOT come from "Noah's Flood". Once you get passed these ridiculous talking points, we can begin to have a real discussion.