Why True Torah Jews won't serve

[MrAlwaysRight]

Perhaps you already know that followers of standard Judaism (true to the Torah; thus, the Real Jews) are no longer being exempted from Israeli military service, after a long-standing agreement (since 1947), but maybe you didn't know *why* they are resisting forced military service after an Israeli Supreme Court ruling changed their status.

from the good folks at TrueTorahJews.org: http://www.truetorahjews.org/

Torah Jews around the world must raise their voices in protest at this new effort to force our brothers living under the Israeli government into abandoning their religious principles. Torah Jews consider army service absolutely forbidden, because the army is the wing of the state that actually carries out the conquering and maintaining of Jewish control over the Holy Land, which the Torah forbids.

Torah Jews wish to live in peace with all peoples of the world, and G-d's decree of exile forbids them from taking any military action. We are waiting for G-d's redemption. We are conscientious objectors to the Israeli army, and it is a shame that the Israeli government has never granted us the dignity of freedom to practice the original Judaism, and be exempt from the army on principle. Rather, they have, up till now, forced us to use the subterfuge of yeshiva studies to exempt ourselves, causing untold impoverishment and suffering to our communities. Now they are preparing to take away even this exemption, so that Torah Jews may have to choose between going to prison or sacrificing their principles.

There is no reason why the Israeli government should not completely exempt Orthodox anti-Zionist Jews from the army, just as they exempt Arabs and Bedouins.

 

[irosie91]

The persons who call themselves "true torah jews" are a tiny but annoying minority ------I cannot imagine why anyone would refer to them as the "standard" jews. Some people are so confused that the assume "ORTHODOX" jews are synonymous with this tiny fringe element-----nope---also not true----the overwhelming majority of orthodox jews are pro-zionist in the sense that they support the STATE OF ISRAEL as a state with a government even if it is secular. Another misunderstanding that islamo nazi propagandaists promote is the idea that the people who call themselves "true torah jews" do not consider Israel the to be the jewish homeland -----very untrue. In fact they vehemently believe that one day ALL OF PALESTINE will be entirely jewish and essentially RUN BY THEM -----with nothing secular or non jewish about it ------in fact in their view of the FUTURE Israel-----I really do not see any position for arab muslims or christians at all -----other than as visitors. ----of course---fret not-----they are a tiny minority. Mr thinks-he's-right ignored most of the real agenda of those who call themselves "true torah jews" because their true agenda does not fit into HIS agenda

 

[Hossfly]

Perhaps you already know that followers of standard Judaism (true to the Torah; thus, the Real Jews) are no longer being exempted from Israeli military service, after a long-standing agreement (since 1947), but maybe you didn't know *why* they are resisting forced military service after an Israeli Supreme Court ruling changed their status.

from the good folks at TrueTorahJews.org:

Torah Jews around the world must raise their voices in protest at this new effort to force our brothers living under the Israeli government into abandoning their religious principles. Torah Jews consider army service absolutely forbidden, because the army is the wing of the state that actually carries out the conquering and maintaining of Jewish control over the Holy Land, which the Torah forbids.

Torah Jews wish to live in peace with all peoples of the world, and G-d's decree of exile forbids them from taking any military action. We are waiting for G-d's redemption. We are conscientious objectors to the Israeli army, and it is a shame that the Israeli government has never granted us the dignity of freedom to practice the original Judaism, and be exempt from the army on principle. Rather, they have, up till now, forced us to use the subterfuge of yeshiva studies to exempt ourselves, causing untold impoverishment and suffering to our communities. Now they are preparing to take away even this exemption, so that Torah Jews may have to choose between going to prison or sacrificing their principles.

There is no reason why the Israeli government should not completely exempt Orthodox anti-Zionist Jews from the army, just as they exempt Arabs and Bedouins.

I'll bite. How does this affect you? Or, are you a purveyor of news flashes?

 

[Jroc]

True Jews? all Jews are "true Jews" their level of Torah study has nothing to do with that fact

 

[irosie91]

True Jews? all Jews are "true Jews" their level of Torah study has nothing to do with that fact

you make a good point-----the only jews who actually claim THEY ARE THE ONLY REAL JEWS-----are the addled Naturei Karta ------even the many chassidic groups do not come up with that weird idea -------of course the islamo nazi propagandaists pick out the bits and parts of the naturei karta partyline that THEY like-----and then support the "we are the only jews" claim of the naturei karta. its beyond childish-----its silly to the point of delerium

 

[Hossfly]

Perhaps you already know that followers of standard Judaism (true to the Torah; thus, the Real Jews) are no longer being exempted from Israeli military service, after a long-standing agreement (since 1947), but maybe you didn't know *why* they are resisting forced military service after an Israeli Supreme Court ruling changed their status.

from the good folks at TrueTorahJews.org:http://www.truetorahjews.org/

Torah Jews around the world must raise their voices in protest at this new effort to force our brothers living under the Israeli government into abandoning their religious principles. Torah Jews consider army service absolutely forbidden, because the army is the wing of the state that actually carries out the conquering and maintaining of Jewish control over the Holy Land, which the Torah forbids.

Torah Jews wish to live in peace with all peoples of the world, and G-d's decree of exile forbids them from taking any military action. We are waiting for G-d's redemption. We are conscientious objectors to the Israeli army, and it is a shame that the Israeli government has never granted us the dignity of freedom to practice the original Judaism, and be exempt from the army on principle. Rather, they have, up till now, forced us to use the subterfuge of yeshiva studies to exempt ourselves, causing untold impoverishment and suffering to our communities. Now they are preparing to take away even this exemption, so that Torah Jews may have to choose between going to prison or sacrificing their principles.

There is no reason why the Israeli government should not completely exempt Orthodox anti-Zionist Jews from the army, just as they exempt Arabs and Bedouins.

Achtung, Herr Professor Virtual E-man is back to his favorite subject again. Meanwhile, as a change of pace, can Herr Professor tell us who are the true Muslims -- are they the ones who can respect the religious beliefs of others or are they the ones who have to kill the Infidels for the glory of Islam? Surely such a "smart" guy as Herr Professor is very up on all things Islamic too, the same way he is an "expert" on the Jews. By the way, Herr Professor, there are Orthodox Jews currently serving in the Israel Army. Perhaps you are referring to the ultra, ultra Orthodox, which doesn't really make any of the other Jews in Israel any less Jewish, no matter how hard you try to convince the readers here. I have a great suggestion for you. Since some of these so-called "True Torah" Jews are friends with those religious nuts in Iran, why not see if they will take you along on their next visit there?



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[Jroc]

True Jews? all Jews are "true Jews" their level of Torah study has nothing to do with that fact

you make a good point-----the only jews who actually claim THEY ARE THE ONLY REAL JEWS-----are the addled Naturei Karta ------even the many chassidic groups do not come up with that weird idea -------of course the islamo nazi propagandaists pick out the bits and parts of the naturei karta partyline that THEY like-----and then support the "we are the only jews" claim of the naturei karta. its beyond childish-----its silly to the point of delerium

The Chassidic are great people. Even though I’m not, my Rabbi is Chassidic, I attend a Chassidic Temple and the Chassidic go around the world serving Jews who otherwise would be lost. They don't judge based on level of observance. Of course they help you to become more observant, but if your mother is a Jew, you are a Jew. There is no other measure.

 

[Roudy]

"Mr Abdul the always wrong donkey" imposter just copied this from a stupid site and acted like he's the writer. You scumbags have no shame, do you?

 

[Roudy]

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[Lipush]

Perhaps you already know that followers of standard Judaism (true to the Torah; thus, the Real Jews) are no longer being exempted from Israeli military service, after a long-standing agreement (since 1947), but maybe you didn't know *why* they are resisting forced military service after an Israeli Supreme Court ruling changed their status.

from the good folks at TrueTorahJews.org: Home | True Torah Jews

Torah Jews around the world must raise their voices in protest at this new effort to force our brothers living under the Israeli government into abandoning their religious principles. Torah Jews consider army service absolutely forbidden, because the army is the wing of the state that actually carries out the conquering and maintaining of Jewish control over the Holy Land, which the Torah forbids.

Torah Jews wish to live in peace with all peoples of the world, and G-d's decree of exile forbids them from taking any military action. We are waiting for G-d's redemption. We are conscientious objectors to the Israeli army, and it is a shame that the Israeli government has never granted us the dignity of freedom to practice the original Judaism, and be exempt from the army on principle. Rather, they have, up till now, forced us to use the subterfuge of yeshiva studies to exempt ourselves, causing untold impoverishment and suffering to our communities. Now they are preparing to take away even this exemption, so that Torah Jews may have to choose between going to prison or sacrificing their principles.

There is no reason why the Israeli government should not completely exempt Orthodox anti-Zionist Jews from the army, just as they exempt Arabs and Bedouins.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

True Jews? all Jews are "true Jews" their level of Torah study has nothing to do with that fact

you make a good point-----the only jews who actually claim THEY ARE THE ONLY REAL JEWS-----are the addled Naturei Karta ------even the many chassidic groups do not come up with that weird idea -------of course the islamo nazi propagandaists pick out the bits and parts of the naturei karta partyline that THEY like-----and then support the "we are the only jews" claim of the naturei karta. its beyond childish-----its silly to the point of delerium

The Chassidic are great people. Even though I’m not, my Rabbi is Chassidic, I attend a Chassidic Temple and the Chassidic go around the world serving Jews who otherwise would be lost. They don't judge based on level of observance. Of course they help you to become more observant, but if your mother is a Jew, you are a Jew. There is no other measure.

Jroc, I think you are referring specifically to the Lubavich/Chabad sect of Chasidic Jews.

 

[MHunterB]

If the NK are 'the real Jews', then I suppose 'Christian Identity' are 'the real Christians'???

 

[irosie91]

If the NK are 'the real Jews', then I suppose 'Christian Identity' are 'the real Christians'???

I was unfamiliar with the term "christian identity"---so I googled ------uhm I remember them---decades ago ---late at nite---a very very waspy looking male person had a spot on TV and he lectured about the migration of the "jews" from the middle east to the british isles---thence to Virginia ----or something like that ------I always watched because at first I thought he would finally end the myterious joke-------after about five episodes I realized that he is a seriously psychotic nut. He had maps with arrows very elaborate to show how Oliver Twist and John Wayne are really
jews. Yes----something like the Naturei Karta

 

[MrAlwaysRight]

So many anti-Semitic statements about True Torah Jews!

Let's review:
1. The Torah is the word of G-d
2. The Torah is the basis for Judaism
3. The Torah, G-d said, is everlasting, and immutable- neither to be taken from NOR ADDED TO

People like to attack those followers of Judaism who try to follow G-d's laws as per the Torah- yet, according to G-d's own words, only those who follow the Torah are the true followers of Judaism!

Don't blame me- it's G-d's law. Either you follow it, or you don't. Your choice.

 

[MrAlwaysRight]

Ask a Torah rabbi:
You write, "whos is to say that g-d did not bring us to the land of
Israel? he brought us there after bondage in Egypt and he brought us
there after Bondage in Europe."

This is an often-used Zionist argument:
that if they succeeded in building a state, it must be that G-d wanted
it that way. With this they try to brush away all the places in the
Tanach, Talmud, Midrashim, Rishonim and Acharonim where it says that
Jews are forbidden to preempt the redemption with actions and build a
state, forbidden to conquer Eretz Yisroel and forbidden to wage wars
during exile. By this same faulty logic, anyone committing any sin
could justify himself by saying that if G-d helped him succeed, He
must have wanted him to do it. G-d helps everyone who succeeds in this
world, even very wicked people who murder millions. He has plans and
He has reasons. But His plans are none of our business - we must only
do what is right according to the Torah. If you want to argue that it
is permitted to establish a state, you must do it within the
parameters of halacha, not bring proof from anyone's success.
truetorahjews.org

 

[MrAlwaysRight]

True Jew glasses:

JERUSALEM — It’s the latest prescription for extreme ultra-Orthodox Jewish men who shun contact with the opposite sex: Glasses that blur their vision, so they don’t have to see women they consider to be immodestly dressed.

In an effort to maintain their strictly devout lifestyle, the ultra-Orthodox have separated the sexes on buses, sidewalks and other public spaces in their neighborhoods. Their interpretation of Jewish law forbids contact between men and women who are not married.

Walls in their neighborhoods feature signs exhorting women to wear closed-necked, long-sleeved blouses and long skirts. Extremists have accosted women they consider to have flouted the code.

Now they’re trying to keep them out of clear sight altogether.

The ultra-Orthodox community’s unofficial “modesty patrols” are selling glasses with special blur-inducing stickers on their lenses. The glasses provide clear vision for up to a few meters so as not to impede movement, but anything beyond that gets blurry — including women. It’s not known how many have been sold.

For men forced to venture outside their insular communities, hoods and shields that block peripheral vision are also being offered.

Read more: In Israel, new modesty glasses for Orthodox Jewish men blur women out of their line of sight - NY Daily News

 

[irosie91]

they are so nuts----they do not even recognize the Israeli government ----it's a silly cult but jihadists like them

 

[docmauser1]

True Jew glasses: JERUSALEM — It’s the latest prescription for extreme ultra-Orthodox Jewish men who shun contact with the opposite sex: Glasses that blur their vision, so they don’t have to see women they consider to be immodestly dressed.

Every judophobe's a tora scholar on these boards. hehe

 

[irosie91]

True Jew glasses: JERUSALEM — It’s the latest prescription for extreme ultra-Orthodox Jewish men who shun contact with the opposite sex: Glasses that blur their vision, so they don’t have to see women they consider to be immodestly dressed.

Every judophobe's a tora scholar on these boards. hehe

Its the glory of the KHUTBAH JUMAAT-----they actually get lectures on the bible and the beliefs and PLANS of both jews and christians The persons I have encountered in my lifetime who knew the MOST ABOUT JEWS AND THEIR HISTORIES-----were people who never encountered a jew until I said "Hello----welcome to the US"-----to a new comer from pakistan

 

[Roudy]

True Jew glasses: JERUSALEM — It’s the latest prescription for extreme ultra-Orthodox Jewish men who shun contact with the opposite sex: Glasses that blur their vision, so they don’t have to see women they consider to be immodestly dressed.

Every judophobe's a tora scholar on these boards. hehe

When this Muzzie asshole first appeared on this board, it first claimed it was a "true Torah Jew". Taqiah, the Islamic right to lie and deceive the non Muslim.

There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman.* These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.*

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."* Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.

Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."
Though not called Taqiyya by name, Muhammad clearly used deception when he signed a 10-year treaty with the Meccans that allowed him access to their city while he secretly prepared his own forces for a takeover.* The unsuspecting residents were conquered in easy fashion after he broke the treaty two years later, and some of the people in the city who had trusted him at his word were executed.* Another example of lying is when Muhammad used deception to trick his personal enemies into letting down their guard and exposing themselves to slaughter by pretending to seek peace.* This happened in the case of Ka'b bin al-Ashraf (as previously noted) and again later against Usayr ibn Zarim, a surviving leader of the Banu Nadir tribe, which had been evicted from their home in Medina by the Muslims.

Such was the reputation of Muslims for lying and then killing that even those who "accepted Islam" did not feel entirely safe.