Why True Torah Jews won't serve

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    Perhaps you already know that followers of standard Judaism (true to the Torah; thus, the Real Jews) are no longer being exempted from Israeli military service, after a long-standing agreement (since 1947), but maybe you didn't know *why* they are resisting forced military service after an Israeli Supreme Court ruling changed their status.

    from the good folks at TrueTorahJews.org: http://www.truetorahjews.org/

    Torah Jews around the world must raise their voices in protest at this new effort to force our brothers living under the Israeli government into abandoning their religious principles. Torah Jews consider army service absolutely forbidden, because the army is the wing of the state that actually carries out the conquering and maintaining of Jewish control over the Holy Land, which the Torah forbids.

    Torah Jews wish to live in peace with all peoples of the world, and G-d's decree of exile forbids them from taking any military action. We are waiting for G-d's redemption. We are conscientious objectors to the Israeli army, and it is a shame that the Israeli government has never granted us the dignity of freedom to practice the original Judaism, and be exempt from the army on principle. Rather, they have, up till now, forced us to use the subterfuge of yeshiva studies to exempt ourselves, causing untold impoverishment and suffering to our communities. Now they are preparing to take away even this exemption, so that Torah Jews may have to choose between going to prison or sacrificing their principles.

    There is no reason why the Israeli government should not completely exempt Orthodox anti-Zionist Jews from the army, just as they exempt Arabs and Bedouins.
     
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    The persons who call themselves "true torah jews" are a tiny but annoying minority ------I cannot imagine why anyone would refer to them as the "standard" jews. Some people are so confused that the assume "ORTHODOX" jews are synonymous with this tiny fringe element-----nope---also not true----the overwhelming majority of orthodox jews are pro-zionist in the sense that they support the STATE OF ISRAEL as a state with a government even if it is secular. Another misunderstanding that islamo nazi propagandaists promote is the idea that the people who call themselves "true torah jews" do not consider Israel the to be the jewish homeland -----very untrue. In fact they vehemently believe that one day ALL OF PALESTINE will be entirely jewish and essentially RUN BY THEM -----with nothing secular or non jewish about it ------in fact in their view of the FUTURE Israel-----I really do not see any position for arab muslims or christians at all -----other than as visitors. ----of course---fret not-----they are a tiny minority. Mr thinks-he's-right ignored most of the real agenda of those who call themselves "true torah jews" because their true agenda does not fit into HIS agenda
     
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    I'll bite. How does this affect you? Or, are you a purveyor of news flashes?
     
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    True Jews? all Jews are "true Jews" their level of Torah study has nothing to do with that fact
     
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    you make a good point-----the only jews who actually claim THEY ARE THE ONLY REAL JEWS-----are the addled Naturei Karta ------even the many chassidic groups do not come up with that weird idea -------of course the islamo nazi propagandaists pick out the bits and parts of the naturei karta partyline that THEY like-----and then support the "we are the only jews" claim of the naturei karta. its beyond childish-----its silly to the point of delerium
     
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    Achtung, Herr Professor Virtual E-man is back to his favorite subject again. Meanwhile, as a change of pace, can Herr Professor tell us who are the true Muslims -- are they the ones who can respect the religious beliefs of others or are they the ones who have to kill the Infidels for the glory of Islam? Surely such a "smart" guy as Herr Professor is very up on all things Islamic too, the same way he is an "expert" on the Jews. By the way, Herr Professor, there are Orthodox Jews currently serving in the Israel Army. Perhaps you are referring to the ultra, ultra Orthodox, which doesn't really make any of the other Jews in Israel any less Jewish, no matter how hard you try to convince the readers here. I have a great suggestion for you. Since some of these so-called "True Torah" Jews are friends with those religious nuts in Iran, why not see if they will take you along on their next visit there?



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    The Chassidic are great people. Even though I’m not, my Rabbi is Chassidic, I attend a Chassidic Temple and the Chassidic go around the world serving Jews who otherwise would be lost. They don't judge based on level of observance. Of course they help you to become more observant, but if your mother is a Jew, you are a Jew. There is no other measure.
     
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    "Mr Abdul the always wrong donkey" imposter just copied this from a stupid site and acted like he's the writer. You scumbags have no shame, do you?
     
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