Why the USSR won against Nazi Germany

Nazi Germany was spending one third of its war funds on killing Jews. That's pretty significant. Hitler insisted that killing Jews was the top priority. Also, if they hadnt started Murdering civilians right away, the Russians wouldn't have been as willing to fight. Many Russians thought the Germans were rescuing them from Stalin.
 
Nazi Germany was spending one third of its war funds on killing Jews. That's pretty significant. Hitler insisted that killing Jews was the top priority. Also, if they hadnt started Murdering civilians right away, the Russians wouldn't have been as willing to fight. Many Russians thought the Germans were rescuing them from Stalin.

Good point. If Germany had fought to liberate Russia instead of conquering them, they might have won.

Russians died by the millions for Mother Russia, I don't think they would have done the same for Stalin
 
Nazi Germany was spending one third of its war funds on killing Jews. That's pretty significant. Hitler insisted that killing Jews was the top priority. Also, if they hadnt started Murdering civilians right away, the Russians wouldn't have been as willing to fight. Many Russians thought the Germans were rescuing them from Stalin.

Good point. If Germany had fought to liberate Russia instead of conquering them, they might have won.

Russians died by the millions for Mother Russia, I don't think they would have done the same for Stalin

What won WW2

World War II began for the United States when Japanese bombers andmidget submarines attacked thePacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor. Several large ships were sunk and many were damaged. But theNavy quickly grew in strength.

At the end ofthe war -24 battleships, 35 aircraft carriers, 77 escort carriers, 92 cruisers, 501 destroyers, 406 destroyer escorts , and 262 submarines ere in service.

This was the greatest Navy that ever sailed the seas.

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Nazi Germany was spending one third of its war funds on killing Jews. That's pretty significant. Hitler insisted that killing Jews was the top priority. Also, if they hadnt started Murdering civilians right away, the Russians wouldn't have been as willing to fight. Many Russians thought the Germans were rescuing them from Stalin.

Good point. If Germany had fought to liberate Russia instead of conquering them, they might have won.

Russians died by the millions for Mother Russia, I don't think they would have done the same for Stalin

What won WW2

World War II began for the United States when Japanese bombers andmidget submarines attacked thePacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor. Several large ships were sunk and many were damaged. But theNavy quickly grew in strength.

At the end ofthe war -24 battleships, 35 aircraft carriers, 77 escort carriers, 92 cruisers, 501 destroyers, 406 destroyer escorts , and 262 submarines ere in service.

This was the greatest Navy that ever sailed the seas.

World BooK Encyclopedia
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My Dad turned down a contract to play baseball for the NY Giants farm team and instead enlisted with the US Navy, at the age of 17. He told the recruiter the year was wrong on his birth certificate
 
Rightwinger, as usual, has it absolutely right. Add to what he said the fact that neither the U.S. nor Great Britain had a land border with continental Europe, so any invasion we undertook had to be amphibious. Against the dregs and leavings of the Wehrmacht, we managed to pull that off -- even so, the butcher's bill was very high on D-Day. If we had had to face the best the German army had, instead of the dregs and leavings, and even worse if we had had to face three or four times the number of German troops that we did, it would have been impossible.

We gave the USSR a lot of material assistance, but they did the fighting themselves, and beat the best Hitler had to throw at them. Whether they could have won without the food, trucks, and materials we sent over there is uncertain, but there's no question they could have won without the Normandy invasion. They preferred to win with it -- it cost them fewer casualties that way -- but they could have done it without.
 
Keep in mind that one of the reasons we were able to so easily defeat the Nazis in western Europe is that they ran out of fuel. Number one priority for fuel allocations was against the Russians.
That meant the German Luftwaffe was restricted and their Panzers had limited mobility

If we had to compete for air superiority and had our Shermans facing fully fueled and first rate Panzer divisions, we never could have won
 
attack against the USA mainland - don't think so

lol

No country has been strong enough to invade the US mainland in 200 years. Germany could not have even invaded England

The US could have feasibly invaded Europe by ourselves and defeated the Nazis but it would have taken over a million casualties and our people never would have stood for it
 
attack against the USA mainland - don't think so

lol

No country has been strong enough to invade the US mainland in 200 years. Germany could not have even invaded England

The US could have feasibly invaded Europe by ourselves and defeated the Nazis but it would have taken over a million casualties and our people never would have stood for it
The Soviets took the brunt of military deaths, no question.
 
I hate to even suggest it, but I often wonder if that Germany army was not the best army the world has ever known? We'll never really know, however, still....

The current US army is the answer to that trivia question.

But....you have a great thread a-bornin' there, Reggie....

Once one specifies the time, strategy, national character, weapons....

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Were I to pick the best US Army I would go with the Confederate army of the Civil War.

The currentUs Army sucks -boggemedowmn in Afg -havent been much good since WW2!
 
The current US army is the answer to that trivia question.

But....you have a great thread a-bornin' there, Reggie....

Once one specifies the time, strategy, national character, weapons....

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Were I to pick the best US Army I would go with the Confederate army of the Civil War.

The currentUs Army sucks -boggemedowmn in Afg -havent been much good since WW2!

You are a total asshole

We have the most powerful and efficient Army in the history of mankind

Kill ratio in WWII was about four enemy for every one of our soldiers
Kill ratio in VietNam was about ten to one

It is now over one hundred to one
 
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I go by results

WW2 -=-slam dunk win


Korea - tie

Nam - loss

Iraq andaftert - quargmires argsinst nobodies ............
 
I go by results

WW2 -=-slam dunk win


Korea - tie

Nam - loss

Iraq andaftert - quargmires argsinst nobodies ............

So you don't care if US Soldiers are needlessly slaughtered
 
Does winning a war mean the enemey surrenders unconditionally or having goals and achieving those goals?
 
Because it was a "just" war.

Germany attacked the Soviet Union.

Bad as the SU was - Nazi Germany was worse.

Most puntis predicted Russia would fall within months.

Germany violated theRippontrop-Molotov peace treaty -so there fore Rusia had the high moral ground.

Um no that wasn't the reason! If that was the reason then anytime a country invaded anothter country the victory would be the invaded. Tell that to Georgia! Tell that to all the countries the Arab Caliphates invaded, the Middle East used to be a collection of different peoples, Egypt and North Africa used to be made of Black skinned Africans. The Arab Caliphates of the 7th-10th centuries unjustly invaded the entire Middle East and North Africa displacing all the inhabitants and transposing them with Arabs. Almost happened to Europe, if the Franks didn't kick their Arab behinds in. The Arab Egyptian is different than the Egyptian of King Tuts time.

The USSR won because Germany had to take on Britian, US and USSR on a 2-3 front war. Not to mention the USSR had a nice military infrastructure, many factories to produce weapons of war, a vast countryside, large population and ruthless commanders.

The USSR didn't defeat Nazi Germany on their own. No even close. If it was Nazi Germany vs the USSR in a one on one match, the USSR would have been defeated. The only country at the time that could have defeated Nazi Germany one on one was America!

The Soviets had already turned the tide on the Nazis by the time we entered the war. They killed 20 times the number of Germans that we did.

The Soviets could have beaten the Germans without us, we could not have defeated the Germans without the Soviets tying up Germanies best troops and equipment. We never would have tolerated the casualties necessary to defeat the Germans by ourselves



Interesting POV but I believe the USA could of & would have been able to destroy Germany w/out the USSR &/or the British........

The immense industrial base simply could not be matched by Germany, especially after the bombings began.....
 
Um no that wasn't the reason! If that was the reason then anytime a country invaded anothter country the victory would be the invaded. Tell that to Georgia! Tell that to all the countries the Arab Caliphates invaded, the Middle East used to be a collection of different peoples, Egypt and North Africa used to be made of Black skinned Africans. The Arab Caliphates of the 7th-10th centuries unjustly invaded the entire Middle East and North Africa displacing all the inhabitants and transposing them with Arabs. Almost happened to Europe, if the Franks didn't kick their Arab behinds in. The Arab Egyptian is different than the Egyptian of King Tuts time.

The USSR won because Germany had to take on Britian, US and USSR on a 2-3 front war. Not to mention the USSR had a nice military infrastructure, many factories to produce weapons of war, a vast countryside, large population and ruthless commanders.

The USSR didn't defeat Nazi Germany on their own. No even close. If it was Nazi Germany vs the USSR in a one on one match, the USSR would have been defeated. The only country at the time that could have defeated Nazi Germany one on one was America!

The Soviets had already turned the tide on the Nazis by the time we entered the war. They killed 20 times the number of Germans that we did.

The Soviets could have beaten the Germans without us, we could not have defeated the Germans without the Soviets tying up Germanies best troops and equipment. We never would have tolerated the casualties necessary to defeat the Germans by ourselves



Interesting POV but I believe the USA could of & would have been able to destroy Germany w/out the USSR &/or the British........

The immense industrial base simply could not be matched by Germany, especially after the bombings began.....

If we really were set on it, I think we could have ultimately defeated them. But at great cost

If Germany did not have to worry about it's Eastern Front they would have had three times the number of Divisions in the west. D Day would have been a massacre and we would have had to fight for every piece of ground.
The US would have had to lose a million troops to defeat the Germans without the Russians. I don't think the American people would have stood for it
 
You underestime the hatred toward s Germans and Japs in that perioed in the USA,

Ie theLinberg killer

PH was a convient excuse to go to war

Moped the map with them
 
The Soviets had already turned the tide on the Nazis by the time we entered the war. They killed 20 times the number of Germans that we did.

The Soviets could have beaten the Germans without us, we could not have defeated the Germans without the Soviets tying up Germanies best troops and equipment. We never would have tolerated the casualties necessary to defeat the Germans by ourselves



Interesting POV but I believe the USA could of & would have been able to destroy Germany w/out the USSR &/or the British........

The immense industrial base simply could not be matched by Germany, especially after the bombings began.....

If we really were set on it, I think we could have ultimately defeated them. But at great cost

If Germany did not have to worry about it's Eastern Front they would have had three times the number of Divisions in the west. D Day would have been a massacre and we would have had to fight for every piece of ground.
The US would have had to lose a million troops to defeat the Germans without the Russians. I don't think the American people would have stood for it

Good points, but remember they declared war on us......

It would have come @ a great loss perhaps, but I would not think it would play out exactly the same either....... North Africa & Italy etc would have played a different role...

The wrench here would be the role/support, if any, from the USSR.......
 

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