CDZ Why is socialilsm so attractive to younger voters?

[initforme]

We really don't have any socialism in the us and the voting percentage that supports it is less than 1 percent so it's a nonfactor. It's a scare tactic.

 

[sparky]

Why is socialilsm so attractive to younger voters?

Because most youths are under the impression that the human race operates under some veil of fair play, meritocracy ,and kindness.

As we grow and experience the world, we find that we are nothing even close to it

~S~

 

[initforme]

True....it's a very hostile workworld out there and a good percentage of employers are plain and simple awful to work for.

 

[task0778]

We really don't have any socialism in the us and the voting percentage that supports it is less than 1 percent so it's a nonfactor. It's a scare tactic.

Bernie Sanders did very well in the 2016 Dem primaries. All those young people supporting socialism ought to at least get your attention.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

We really don't have any socialism in the us and the voting percentage that supports it is less than 1 percent so it's a nonfactor. It's a scare tactic.

Bernie Sanders did very well in the 2016 Dem primaries. All those young people supporting socialism ought to at least get your attention.

If the socialists could come up with a good candidate(not bernie sanders by a long shot) they would do exceedingly well in the democratic primaries....at one time in America people would not take charity...thought it shameful...self reliance was the American Way.....times have changed...especially with the younger voters... they want free stuff and the more free stuff the better and a young charasmatic socialist candidate that promises them lots of free stuff would split the democratic party...which is not a bad thing.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

I think that socialism is attractive to many young people for the same reason that it is attractive to many old people (like me): The idea of socialism is wonderful.

Just ask anyone who works for the government (police officers, teachers, letter carriers, career members of the armed forces, etc.) why socialism is wonderful: Those government employees usually have a job for life, they get very generous salaries, they get a defined pension, they get health insurance. What's not to like about socialism?

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Sadly, socialism is NOT economically feasible for the whole population. (That's why socialism has failed in Cuba and Russia and China and Sweden and the United Kingdom.)

I am not against helping poor white people...I think the government should do more for poor white people.....unfortunately we have wasted billion and billions of dollars trying to help Negroes.....who are beyond help. They are worse off today than ever....and it makes no sense for hard working white people to have their tax monies siphoned off to help African-Americans. It is time to take care of our own.

 

[Picaro]

At one time Henry George was the most popular man in America. He couldn't get elected, and neither will Bernie, who is a lot dumber and corrupt.

 

[there4eyeM]

Society forced social issues upon purely profit based economics. Women were acknowledged as people, slavery was ended, workers were recognized as a sector with a voice, education was seen as necessary to the functions of a democracy (including republican democracies, just to get that silliness out of the way), common wealth was applied to common problems, and much more.
There has been an effective disinformation effort that has destroyed the constructive use of certain words and terms. Although political correctness is often criticized, the political destabilization of verbiage goes without comment. We cannot speak intelligently here of "socialism", "capitalism", "progress" or many other areas that would otherwise be interesting topics. We are going to have to create new vocabularies unless we just want to continue as so many do in these threads, regurgitating favorite vitriol.
P.S. If economists understood economics, they would be psychologists.

This was intended as a comment on society as it is today, not an endorsement of what has not been defined as "socialism". We cannot discuss a subject so charged with emotion and absent rational logic. Americans tend to deal with all their beliefs as they do with their religious beliefs, and their religious beliefs are very childish. When they believe in "capitalism" (an equally ill defined term), they believe that all that is good is invested in it. Therefore, anything that vaguely resembles criticism is 'evil'. There can be no discussion in that environment, so such a thread is clearly just another excuse to trot out clichés and name-calling.
As has been pointed out repeatedly, any economic system that people believe in will function fairly well. When people finally see that it is faith that makes everything human, they will gain their full power. This is not religious, though religions use, take advantage of human faith.

 

[sparky]

Very true 4eyeAm

By definition we've socailist programs we all benefit from>
75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America
and anyone who's followed up on Glass Steagal ,along with credit derivatives ability to 'bubble' would obviously realize capatalism is in need of legislative leash

~S~

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Very true 4eyeAm

By definition we've socailist programs we all benefit from>
75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America
and anyone who's followed up on Glass Steagal ,along with credit derivatives ability to 'bubble' would obviously realize capatalism is in need of legislative leash

~S~

Nonsense....you should have looked up the definition of socialism before you posted that.......aka..................
'a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the

community as a whole.'

synonyms: leftism, welfarism;
radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;
communism, Marxism, labor movement

'A government uses tax monies to pay for various programs aka defense, government employees, education etc. None of those programs are socialistic...simply programs deemed by Congress to be worthy of our tax dollars.

Again look at the definition posted....the key woids being----'the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole'

What strikes me as odd are two things, one, America has never been a socialistic country, not even remotely. In fact, I have yet to find a developed industrial socialistic country on the face of planet earth.

Anyone claiming socialism involves the state has already sullied the term beyond recognition. True socialism is the philosophy of anarchists, women and men who want to be free from coercive rule and authoritarian laws, and want to share and collectively manage the commons and means of production through direct democratic initiatives.

True socialism is based around a voluntary society that does not involve the state, and is best suited for the majority of citizens who labor to survive ' socialism does not exist yet.

And two, we didn't create welfare in this country because socialism was destroying equality, oppressing millions through wage labor and debt servitude, and creating tremendous wealth inequalities leading to a fractured society of the haves and have-nots ' capitalism has produced all of that, along with a state firmly entrenched into our markets.

I know, it's sacrilegious to blame capitalism for welfare and the emergence of collectivist social programs, but it is undeniable unless you can pervert definitions, opaque facts, and pour billions of dollars into establishing perception as reality.

We can factual claim that welfare programs are required in order for capitalism to function without completely crumbling in on itself, as proven over the past eighty plus years here in America ' what does any of that have to do with socialism?'........................Welfare is not Socialism

 

[Frankeneinstein]

synonyms: leftism, welfarism;

.Welfare is not Socialism

hmmmmmmmmm

.you should have looked up the definition of socialism before you posted that.

 

[Grumblenuts]

We really don't have any socialism in the us and the voting percentage that supports it is less than 1 percent so it's a nonfactor. It's a scare tactic.

Bernie Sanders did very well in the 2016 Dem primaries. All those young people supporting socialism ought to at least get your attention.

Here, here!

 

[Grumblenuts]

Nonsense....

Nah, 'tis true enough. Not that you're all wrong either.
75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America
Well put. Better yet, genuinely funny!
Remember, all is simply philosophy. One can't eat a plate of capitalism nor cast a brick from a pile of socialism. Neither exist except in our imaginings and never will.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Because when you're young, you haven't learned yet that the universe doesn't give a rat's ass about what humans consider to be "fair", and it never will. So you're still susceptible to the idea that you can somehow MAKE cosmic justice happen.

It's the almost-adult version of the fairy tales from just a few years earlier.

 

[Muhammed]

Well, to begin with it is like the old adage....'if a socialist understood economics he would not be a socialist'

I think a big factor is that The Communist Manifesto is not self-contradictory.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Well, to begin with it is like the old adage....'if a socialist understood economics he would not be a socialist'

If you understood Economics, Political Science and History you wouldn't confuse Socialism as a political system, or that the US is and has been a mixed economy for centuries.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Well, to begin with it is like the old adage....'if a socialist understood economics he would not be a socialist'

I think a big factor is that The Communist Manifesto is not self-contradictory.

It's too busy contradicting reality.

 

[Picaro]

Well, to begin with it is like the old adage....'if a socialist understood economics he would not be a socialist'

I think a big factor is that The Communist Manifesto is not self-contradictory.

True, the Manifesto isn't, but book 2 of Das Kapital is not only contradictory, it lies a lot.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

OMG, another circle jerk in progress! Is this board entirely gay or what!

Homophobe?

The idea of someone expecting someone else to provide for them and questionong it is... Gay!

 

[Yousaidwhat]

Well, to begin with it is like the old adage....'if a socialist understood economics he would not be a socialist'

Why is socialism so attractive to young people.

Because they look at their parents working two jobs each to pay to stay in the Middle Class and they realize that Capitalism is a crap sandwich. Because they look at getting out of college with tens of thousands of dollars of debt and indentured servitude to corporate America to pay it off.

And we get to stand in line for bread and toilet paper?

Because you chose a Major that won't support your family?

And thinks someone else should pay for your degree?