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...again--main point is the Africans/blacks were so far behind whites BEFORE the exploitation/etc that it is hard to argue that the exploitation/slavery/oppression caused the problems with the blacks
...is it possible that slavery/oppression/etc caused American black culture/education/etc to not advance? sure and probably did---but to what effect?? --
..what effect did the black culture/etc [ or lack of]
I don't think you are doing yourself any favors here, as you seem to conflate racism (a state of mind), institutional racism (organizational structures and aims reflecting the prevalent societal racism), and white privilege (a societal organization bequeathing benefits on the favored racial group). They may well be mutually reinforcing, and the end result sure is "to keep the other races in a subordinate position", but the same they sure are not.
technological advancement advances the culture...again--main point is the Africans/blacks were so far behind whites BEFORE the exploitation/etc that it is hard to argue that the exploitation/slavery/oppression caused the problems with the blacks
Nonsense. Technological advancement does not make people better... we see that here every day when awful racists figure out how to use computers.
...is it possible that slavery/oppression/etc caused American black culture/education/etc to not advance? sure and probably did---but to what effect?? --
..what effect did the black culture/etc [ or lack of]
Uh, yeah, guy, 400 years of social and racial oppression will stunt your advancement... I'm glad you figured that out.
I don't think you are doing yourself any favors here, as you seem to conflate racism (a state of mind), institutional racism (organizational structures and aims reflecting the prevalent societal racism), and white privilege (a societal organization bequeathing benefits on the favored racial group). They may well be mutually reinforcing, and the end result sure is "to keep the other races in a subordinate position", but the same they sure are not.
Nice try, guy... but the fact is you can't really be racist without the institutional structure to back it up.
Nice try, guy... but the fact is you can't really be racist without the institutional structure to back it up.
There is no such thing as white privilege.
Either racism is ok or it is not.
Yes many care including you or you would not be defending a racist.
If you don't think there's white privilege in this society, then you are deluded and there's really no point talking to you.
There is no such thing as a white name or non white name.
Again, your denial is deluded. Jamal Washington is a name where you assume the guy is black. Greg Norton is a white name. Greg gets more call backs to his resume than Jamal, even if they have the same education and experience.
Done wasting my time on you.
No I am correct not deluded you simply lack the maturity or intellect to form a reasoned opinion.Well hate to burst your bubble but it is still going on today.
At least he still has his white privilege
actually, that fellow looks Hispanic... but again, you are deluded. Oh, the other guy is black.. but I guess he is better off because he has a wheelchair.
No, it simply does not. The word is CLEARLY DEFINED...if you want to argue that racial oppression has caused the black culture to be dysfunctional/self destructive, please do
...is it possible--sure
but then why is Africa a shithole?
You mean other than Europeans exploiting it for hundreds of years?
Bull. Racism has literally nothing to do with power and never will. This recent attempt to redefine racism and what it means is actually a good example of the OP.
Here we have a movement that essentially wants to define racism as white - a clear example of trying to justify racism against whites as inconsequential.
Well, no, racism has everything to do with power. Racism is the ability of one race to keep the other races in a subordinate position. In short, it's not just disliking people for the color of their skin, it's being able to deny them jobs, equal protection under the law, portrayals in popular culture, and so on.
So now racism = racial tropes? Not if they are of white people though. That cant be racist.Case in point, when was the last time you saw an Asian Actor in a film who was the hero, other than a martial arts movie? When was the last time you saw a movie or TV show where an Asian actress was romantic lead?
Oh, wait. I can think of an example, that Asian chick in the last Star Wars movie, who was subjected to so much white trolling that she had to get off of social media. (wasn't her fault it was an awful movie.)
So you have established there was white privilege in the 1950's.White privilege is yet another example of the OP. That is an example of assigning something to an entire race of people without any tieback to individuals. You and others have already declared that you simply have it better by being white - something that you are utterly unable to establish without any information from each of those people.
Of course I have it better by being white! Heck, my Grandparents got off the boat only about 90 years ago, and while they encountered some discrimination. (Wasn't a great thing being German-American between the world wars), my Dad married an American woman in the 1950's, got a good paying union job and raised a family of successful middle class folks.
A black guy tried to do that, he's have probably gotten lynched in the 1950's when he even thought about marrying a white woman.
It is not a reality - that is the point.You can speak in generalities but that is not what the white privilege warriors are doing - they are demanding that all whites somehow share in this elusive privilege.
I'm not sure how they are "Demanding" anything, other than acknowledging a reality. You get to access more privileges by being white than you do being a member of other racial groups.
The real problem, of course, is that in their 40 year war against the working class, a lot of that white privilege has eroded. You can't get that good union job out of High School anymore. You have to go to college, incur a lot of debt, and hope you land something good when you are done. And when some college tries to equal the playing field through affirmative action, man, there is some resentment going on.
technological advancement advances the culture
...advanced technological farming methods = increased food supply = increase time for education/brain devolopment
....advanced ship building [ written language greatly helps ] advances the people
...we see the Native Americans/native South Americans/Africans conquered by advanced technology
..we see Africa is a shithole--STILL
''racist figure how to use computers''' ???!!!! hahahahahahahahahah--ridiculous
So you have established there was white privilege in the 1950's.
Good on you. Not sure if anyone would disagree there. Psst - it is not 1950.
So now racism = racial tropes? Not if they are of white people though. That cant be racist.
You are only seeing what you want to see anyway. Lucy Lu anyone?
According to you this guy is not a racist. Calling for killing cracker babies (that's right babies) as well as the genocide of white people apparently is not racism in your book. The guy in the video agrees with you too. You are in good company.
What you mean is that there is no evidence of white privilege and you are not capable of proving that there is.
It is not self evident and all you are capable of is sceeching that it is real.
There is no evidence of such discrimination in call backs.
the Germans were/are very disciplined/industrious/organized/etctechnological advancement advances the culture
...advanced technological farming methods = increased food supply = increase time for education/brain devolopment
....advanced ship building [ written language greatly helps ] advances the people
...we see the Native Americans/native South Americans/Africans conquered by advanced technology
..we see Africa is a shithole--STILL
''racist figure how to use computers''' ???!!!! hahahahahahahahahah--ridiculous
It that were true, than Nazi Germany was the most advanced culture in history... Since they had the technology to conquer and exterminate 'inferior" cultures.
Well, that is pretty convenient. You do not need facts, privilege is permanent. Well then, I have no idea why you are discussing it then - if it is simply a fact and never ends then there really is no point.So you have established there was white privilege in the 1950's.
Good on you. Not sure if anyone would disagree there. Psst - it is not 1950.
I've established that privilege never really goes away. I'm still benefiting from the privilege my dad had in the 1950's before I was born.
More seeing only what you want to see. She is massively successful. Make a statement. Statement turns out to be bullshit. Justify it with your off base opinion.So now racism = racial tropes? Not if they are of white people though. That cant be racist.
You are only seeing what you want to see anyway. Lucy Lu anyone?
Lucy Liu (please spell the woman's name right) has hardly had a stellar career, has she? She's mostly done crap. Heck, I didn't even realize the woman could actually ACT until she got a role on Elementary. Give her some good dialog and an interesting character, and she can go to town. Why she had to wait until she was pushing fifty to get there is the real mystery. Before that she was doing crap like "Ecks vs. Sever", or "Rise" (a vampire movie with about ten alternate titles).
I notice that you ignored the actual definition of racism because it destroys your argument entirely. You do not get to redefine well established terms to fit your silly perceptions.According to you this guy is not a racist. Calling for killing cracker babies (that's right babies) as well as the genocide of white people apparently is not racism in your book. The guy in the video agrees with you too. You are in good company.
Since he hasn't got the ability to act on his hate, then, um, no, he isn't racist. He guns down some white folks, and he goes to jail. A white cop guns down an unarmed black kid in the middle of the street and a whole system goes up to protect him.
It was not thorough it was hypothetical.What you mean is that there is no evidence of white privilege and you are not capable of proving that there is.
It is not self evident and all you are capable of is sceeching that it is real.
There is no evidence of such discrimination in call backs.
Um, yeah, actually, there is... The study was pretty thorough.
Emily and Greg got 50% more callbacks than Jamal and Lakisha.
Even though they had the same education, experience and background.
Now, this was in 2005, before LinkedIn, and you could find out what people looked like, and if they were a real person, so it would probably be difficult to reproduce this study today.
Well, that is pretty convenient. You do not need facts, privilege is permanent. Well then, I have no idea why you are discussing it then - if it is simply a fact and never ends then there really is no point.
You have established no such thing. What you have established is that you simply declare it so because you position requires it.
More seeing only what you want to see. She is massively successful. Make a statement. Statement turns out to be bullshit. Justify it with your off base opinion.
I notice that you ignored the actual definition of racism because it destroys your argument entirely. You do not get to redefine well established terms to fit your silly perceptions.
I will point out once again, you are in the company of visceral hate groups like the New Black Panther Party but reject such people as the SPLC.
And no points yet again.More seeing only what you want to see. She is massively successful. Make a statement. Statement turns out to be bullshit. Justify it with your off base opinion.
She's doing Network TV when she used to be a "big" movie star... after escaping Direct to DVD hell..
I notice that you ignored the actual definition of racism because it destroys your argument entirely. You do not get to redefine well established terms to fit your silly perceptions.
Again- since that NBP Party guy can't act on his feelings, he's not racist. The system doesn't support it.
I will point out once again, you are in the company of visceral hate groups like the New Black Panther Party but reject such people as the SPLC.
Well, you can say stupid things like that. The NBPP has about 10 members, it's really not a big deal.
Now when they actually kill someone, I'll be all for throwing them in the clink.
Unlike the hundreds of people who've been killed by white hate groups and individuals.
No surprise that Joe Blow is here trying to convince everybody that his viewpoints are so far superior than everybody else's ideas. Your pattern Joe is to sound so incredibly hip and wise, but instead you come off as arrogant and pedantic. You are not convincing people here that "white privilege" is even relevant in todays modern world. That kind of privilege does exist, but not in the magnitude you are paranoid about. Discrimination in job hiring can be reported to the government and everyone knows there is a procedure for that. As for "white names"...sometimes, sometimes not. The most grotesque mistake you make over and over on the boards is that anyone you disagree with is of some imaginary "whiteness" and not a complex person in many ways ("your white privilege was hurt"- "no one cares") and you do not even know anything more than the type on the computer screen. What if the person was a mixed race or whatever. There is no such thing as "white" as even Caucasians are of different cultures. In the immigration threads you lack knowledge of law and you ramble on and on about your elusive ideas about "white" people. You strive to wear people out with your frantic argumentative patterns.Okay, I realize that your white privilege was hurt by the scary Asian Lady... but no one cares.
“Why is racism ok if the target is white?”
It isn’t.
And no one said it is.
The notion that racism is ever ‘OK’ is just another ridiculous rightwing lie.
Thursday on CNN’s “Cuomo Primetime,” comedian D.L. Hughley said “white men” did not get to decide what racism was during a discussion of the state of race relations in the era of President Donald Trump.
D.L. Hughley: 'White Men Don’t Get to Decide What Racism Is’ | Breitbart
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This is the prefect example of how retards lead their own weak minded sheep into the " race trap" .
When losers begin to realize pointing out race in everything and anything actually makes the accuser racist because anyone racist , it seems they are the loons who point it out in every situation.
HOW MANY OF THESE MORONS DO YOU THINK WOULD SAY IN A DEATH SITUATION 'OH DON'T HELP ME BECAUSE YOU ARE WHITE!! Bet they won't do that now will they. .............
And no points yet again.
No surprise that Joe Blow is here trying to convince everybody that his viewpoints are so far superior than everybody else's ideas. Your pattern Joe is to sound so incredibly hip and wise, but instead you come off as arrogant and pedantic. You are not convincing people here that "white privilege" is even relevant in todays modern world.
That kind of privilege does exist, but not in the magnitude you are paranoid about. Discrimination in job hiring can be reported to the government and everyone knows there is a procedure for that.
As for "white names"...sometimes, sometimes not. The most grotesque mistake you make over and over on the boards is that anyone you disagree with is of some imaginary "whiteness" and not a complex person in many ways ("your white privilege was hurt"- "no one cares") and you do not even know anything more than the type on the computer screen. What if the person was a mixed race or whatever.
