Why Donald Tump Will Win & Why You Might Be Worried About That

Is the information on NPD informative to you; would you now be able to identify a person with NPD?

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It has been suggested in the mainstream media that Donald Trump suffers from malignant narcissism, called "NPD" or Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Their syndrome is like a diet-sociopath. But it could be worse because where a sociopath is usually very identifiable, and usually in prison by their adult years, a person with NPD walks free still under a cloak of glib social charm, prestige and posturing. There, they are in a position to do far more damage over the long term. Their favorite past time is psychological cruelty, but they'll dip into the physical abuse if they can do it just under the radar of significant onlookers.

Their world begins and ends with themselves; and it's something they can never overcome. Ever. They get worse as they age too. The progression of wisdom is in reverse, since wisdom comes from losing: a thing narcissists will never concede to do. And if you insist that they do because of fair play, just the law of equal-knocks, they will destroy you, without a single qualm about it.

People who go through life like this never learn. And this never learning is the real problem with Donald Trump being President, if indeed he does suffer from this. At some point in a child's life who becomes an NPD sufferer, they learn to close the world out. It can come from over-coddling and spoiling a child. And it can come from abusing a child; or an illogical or arbitrary combination of the two.

In the case of an abused child, the child learns that the outside world of his own mind = pain. Since they've only known brutality, they are more likely to become the full-blown sociopath that everyone can identify. But sometimes they learn charm. In a world where "outside-me" functionally doesn't exist anymore, then anyone outside themselves isn't really real in the sense of worthy of their consideration. They become reptilian and only use their higher brain to maneuver through a world that for some stupid reason keeps insisting they play fair and consider others.

If they see that the end point of their immediate behavior will land them in the pokey, or worse, exposure of themselves as flawed and rotten, not worthy of praise, they will modify it; just enough. And as they go through the world, the are like a race horse in this regard, just barely reined in, but always ultimately disregarding of others from the fatal flaw cemented in childhood: a complete lack of altruism. If they gain a position of power, where others are in awe of them, the gloves come off. Fear/awe or admiration are all the same to them. It sets them apart as more special in their own minds. They'll groom admiration at first, but in the end, they're going to want you submissive to their shifting Will and in compete awe of their power over you. They will go to startling lengths to accomplish this.

My own mother suffers from NPD. She was type who was the results from too much coddling. She was groomed since birth to see herself as the center of the world. As a child she was injured at birth by a country doctor back in the day. As a result, her parents put off having more children in a row, as was common then, and focused on their injured baby. They took her weekly to a specialist in a city nearby their town. They worked with and doted over her every day in physical therapy. No doubt a feeling of guilt overtook my grandparents (who were very sweet people BTW) and they mistakenly showered this little baby girl with extras that she saw other kids weren't getting around her. This was back during the Great Depression. They created a monster through good intentions.

And so she conducted herself. The issue was never discovered by my grandparents until it was far too late. Because one of the main things an NPD learns at the earliest progression of the disease is to tailor their behavior in the moment to how they perceive their audience is accepting or handling it. So they become self-aware only to the extent that they modify behavior in the moment to get what they're after. They know what they're up to is objected to, but they can't figure out why. They filter everything through "if I want it, it is true, good and right". So they gauge and they gauge and they gauge their audience.

I'm not going to go deeper into the syndrome because it's...too difficult here, my being so close to it all my life. But what I will say is: BEWARE. These people can actually kill, if they feel they are slighted enough; their immense and fragile ego bruised enough. Understand that from a narcissist's point of view, you don't exist. You are at best like a vestigial limb, a mere extension of their own Will, a knob on their sound-mixing board. If you "become defective" (cease to do their bidding 100% of the time or cease to shower them with endless fawning), they will unceremoniously pluck you out, crush you under their boot heel and toss you in the trash without batting an eyelash.

They will however, if set on a certain goal of which is paramount to reflect their self-perception of omnipotence, like oh, say President of the United States, spend a great deal of effort being glib, superficial and saying anything they know will grab your ear and, ultimately, get them to the goal they're after. Especially if you are a more distant participant in their game, and not already pulled up short by your shirt collar close to them with their gun in your back. Not a whit of what they say is authentic and they lack the grit or incentive or often even the ability to deliver on their promises...since after all, they live in the moment once they get where they want to be. They are also factually stupid; part of the spin off of never learning. But they will demand that you worship their superior intelligence...or else! They make the worst sort of managers. Their biggest tangible talent in the world is sewing a wake of dysfunction and misery everywhere they go.

Now, I'm not an expert on Donald Trump, but I have seen some disturbing signs in his behavior over the years. He does have the penchant for crushing enemies for really pretty trivial slights. He doesn't wear insults well and they seem to particularly disturb him. As a public figure, he should be used to criticism and let it roll off of him. And even today as he tries to backpeddle that former habit of disproportionate-revenge, you can see him seething and practically bursting at the seams when someone criticizes him; forcing a smile through manic blathering and gritted teeth.

Oh people, beware. If he has this issue, you'd be better off electing an epileptic hamster for all the good it would do your country. We are in big trouble. The last thing this country needs right now is to have a borderline personality in the Captain's Chair of the Titanic while there's still about 5 minutes to turn this ship around...

Here's the cookie-cutter definition. They leave out the more horrible behaviors because they don't want to insult a potential patient from seeking help...

Definition
By Mayo Clinic Staff
Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism......A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. You may be generally unhappy and disappointed when you're not given the special favors or admiration you believe you deserve. Others may not enjoy being around you, and you may find your relationships unfulfilling. Narcissistic personality disorder - Mayo Clinic
 
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America us most safe when enemies understand that a madman might just nuke them if they push too hared.

Were Trump to be certified insane by a non-partisan board of shrinks....well that would (though no such creature can be found - they're all liberals or they'd have real jobs) be his best qualification just now.

We DID give grovelling apology a chance. In fact, two.
 
TELL ME YOU WILL NOT ELECT TRUMP.

If you do not vote for Trump, I promise not to vote for Corbyn. (Corbyn is the labour leader in Britain who said he would never press the nuclear button under any circumstances)
 
I am intrigued by the allegation that Trump easily "DESTROYS" people----whom did he destroy?
 
I not likely to vote R or D if HIllary, Trump, Cruz, or Sanders are the nominees.

I'm completely against ruining the country any more than it has been over the last 50 years.
 
America us most safe when enemies understand that a madman might just nuke them if they push too hared.

Were Trump to be certified insane by a non-partisan board of shrinks....well that would (though no such creature can be found - they're all liberals or they'd have real jobs) be his best qualification just now.

We DID give grovelling apology a chance. In fact, two.

You should more carefully read the OP. A person with NPD has allegiance to none other but himself. If the terrorists began to glorify him for being such a stupendously-strong leader (should they be adept enough at reverse-psychology) he would turn on his own country in an instant. In general, if a person with NPD were to be elected President.

This type of personality will fulfill no one's goal but his own. He won't even listen to his closest advisors; or worse, he'll listen closest of all to those who groom his ego...exactly like Dubya did to our collective demise.
 
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It has been suggested in the mainstream media that Donald Trump suffers from malignant narcissism, called "NPD" or Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Their syndrome is like a diet-sociopath. But it could be worse because where a sociopath is usually very identifiable, and usually in prison by their adult years, a person with NPD walks free still under a cloak of glib social charm, prestige and posturing. There, they are in a position to do far more damage over the long term. Their favorite past time is psychological cruelty, but they'll dip into the physical abuse if they can do it just under the radar of significant onlookers.

Their world begins and ends with themselves; and it's something they can never overcome. Ever. They get worse as they age too. The progression of wisdom is in reverse, since wisdom comes from losing: a thing narcissists will never concede to do. And if you insist that they do because of fair play, just the law of equal-knocks, they will destroy you, without a single qualm about it.

People who go through life like this never learn. And this never learning is the real problem with Donald Trump being President, if indeed he does suffer from this. At some point in a child's life who becomes an NPD sufferer, they learn to close the world out. It can come from over-coddling and spoiling a child. And it can come from abusing a child; or an illogical or arbitrary combination of the two.

In the case of an abused child, the child learns that the outside world of his own mind = pain. Since they've only known brutality, they are more likely to become the full-blown sociopath that everyone can identify. But sometimes they learn charm. In a world where "outside-me" functionally doesn't exist anymore, then anyone outside themselves isn't really real in the sense of worthy of their consideration. They become reptilian and only use their higher brain to maneuver through a world that for some stupid reason keeps insisting they play fair and consider others.

If they see that the end point of their immediate behavior will land them in the pokey, or worse, exposure of themselves as flawed and rotten, not worthy of praise, they will modify it; just enough. And as they go through the world, the are like a race horse in this regard, just barely reined in, but always ultimately disregarding of others from the fatal flaw cemented in childhood: a complete lack of altruism. If they gain a position of power, where others are in awe of them, the gloves come off. Fear/awe or admiration are all the same to them. It sets them apart as more special in their own minds. They'll groom admiration at first, but in the end, they're going to want you submissive to their shifting Will and in compete awe of their power over you. They will go to startling lengths to accomplish this.

My own mother suffers from NPD. She was type who was the results from too much coddling. She was groomed since birth to see herself as the center of the world. As a child she was injured at birth by a country doctor back in the day. As a result, her parents put off having more children in a row, as was common then, and focused on their injured baby. They took her weekly to a specialist in a city nearby their town. They worked with and doted over her every day in physical therapy. No doubt a feeling of guilt overtook my grandparents (who were very sweet people BTW) and they mistakenly showered this little baby girl with extras that she saw other kids weren't getting around her. This was back during the Great Depression. They created a monster through good intentions.

And so she conducted herself. The issue was never discovered by my grandparents until it was far too late. Because one of the main things an NPD learns at the earliest progression of the disease is to tailor their behavior in the moment to how they perceive their audience is accepting or handling it. So they become self-aware only to the extent that they modify behavior in the moment to get what they're after. They know what they're up to is objected to, but they can't figure out why. They filter everything through "if I want it, it is true, good and right". So they gauge and they gauge and they gauge their audience.

I'm not going to go deeper into the syndrome because it's...too difficult here, my being so close to it all my life. But what I will say is: BEWARE. These people can actually kill, if they feel they are slighted enough; their immense and fragile ego bruised enough. Understand that from a narcissist's point of view, you don't exist. You are at best like a vestigial limb, a mere extension of their own Will, a knob on their sound-mixing board. If you "become defective" (cease to do their bidding 100% of the time or cease to shower them with endless fawning), they will unceremoniously pluck you out, crush you under their boot heel and toss you in the trash without batting an eyelash.

They will however, if set on a certain goal of which is paramount to reflect their self-perception of omnipotence, like oh, say President of the United States, spend a great deal of effort being glib, superficial and saying anything they know will grab your ear and, ultimately, get them to the goal they're after. Especially if you are a more distant participant in their game, and not already pulled up short by your shirt collar close to them with their gun in your back. Not a whit of what they say is authentic and they lack the grit or incentive or often even the ability to deliver on their promises...since after all, they live in the moment once they get where they want to be. They are also factually stupid; part of the spin off of never learning. But they will demand that you worship their superior intelligence...or else! They make the worst sort of managers. Their biggest tangible talent in the world is sewing a wake of dysfunction and misery everywhere they go.

Now, I'm not an expert on Donald Trump, but I have seen some disturbing signs in his behavior over the years. He does have the penchant for crushing enemies for really pretty trivial slights. He doesn't wear insults well and they seem to particularly disturb him. As a public figure, he should be used to criticism and let it roll off of him. And even today as he tries to backpeddle that former habit of disproportionate-revenge, you can see him seething and practically bursting at the seams when someone criticizes him; forcing a smile through manic blathering and gritted teeth.

Oh people, beware. If he has this issue, you'd be better off electing an epileptic hamster for all the good it would do your country. We are in big trouble. The last thing this country needs right now is to have a borderline personality in the Captain's Chair of the Titanic while there's still about 5 minutes to turn this ship around...

Here's the cookie-cutter definition. They leave out the more horrible behaviors because they don't want to insult a potential patient from seeking help...

Definition
By Mayo Clinic Staff
Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism......A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. You may be generally unhappy and disappointed when you're not given the special favors or admiration you believe you deserve. Others may not enjoy being around you, and you may find your relationships unfulfilling. Narcissistic personality disorder - Mayo Clinic

Another disingenuous post, which would actually apply more to Obama than Trump. Should be moved to Political Satire.
 
So its been "suggested?"

Gee, sounds like a lock to me. After all suggestions are fact, are they not??
 
Another disingenuous post, which would actually apply more to Obama than Trump. Should be moved to Political Satire.

You mean the OP. Is this Donald? Seriously, the jury is out still....but if the shoe fits... The media seems to have made up its mind.. :bye1:

 
Never heard of any such condition or diagnosis. Sounds like yet more Jewish drivel designed to confuse the voting populace into compliance and away from Trump.
 
America us most safe when enemies understand that a madman might just nuke them if they push too hared.

Were Trump to be certified insane by a non-partisan board of shrinks....well that would (though no such creature can be found - they're all liberals or they'd have real jobs) be his best qualification just now.

We DID give grovelling apology a chance. In fact, two.

You should more carefully read the OP. A person with NPD has allegiance to none other but himself. If the terrorists began to glorify him for being such a stupendously-strong leader (should they be adept enough at reverse-psychology) he would turn on his own country in an instant. In general, if a person with NPD were to be elected President.

This type of personality will fulfill no one's goal but his own. He won't even listen to his closest advisors; or worse, he'll listen closest of all to those who groom his ego...exactly like Dubya did to our collective demise.

Sil you should avoid practicing medicine without a license -----and CERTAINLY avoid doing it over the internet. NPD is that which real psychiatrists traditionally
called a "personality disorder"--------it is not a psychosis. Personality disorders
are kinda very variable in severity and VIRTUALLY universal-----just about anyone can be described as "having" one------more precisely they should be called "personality traits" to avoid the mistake of characterizing them as PATHOLOGICAL----of course sometimes a personality trait IS pathological-----but leave that idea to the experts. You are out of your league (Unless you are a licensed psychiatrist----but you are not-----because no real psychiatrist would engage in the nonsense in which you are engaging right now)
 
It has been suggested in the mainstream media that Donald Trump suffers from malignant narcissism, called "NPD" or Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Their syndrome is like a diet-sociopath. But it could be worse because where a sociopath is usually very identifiable, and usually in prison by their adult years, a person with NPD walks free still under a cloak of glib social charm, prestige and posturing. There, they are in a position to do far more damage over the long term. Their favorite past time is psychological cruelty, but they'll dip into the physical abuse if they can do it just under the radar of significant onlookers.

Their world begins and ends with themselves; and it's something they can never overcome. Ever. They get worse as they age too. The progression of wisdom is in reverse, since wisdom comes from losing: a thing narcissists will never concede to do. And if you insist that they do because of fair play, just the law of equal-knocks, they will destroy you, without a single qualm about it.

People who go through life like this never learn. And this never learning is the real problem with Donald Trump being President, if indeed he does suffer from this. At some point in a child's life who becomes an NPD sufferer, they learn to close the world out. It can come from over-coddling and spoiling a child. And it can come from abusing a child; or an illogical or arbitrary combination of the two.

In the case of an abused child, the child learns that the outside world of his own mind = pain. Since they've only known brutality, they are more likely to become the full-blown sociopath that everyone can identify. But sometimes they learn charm. In a world where "outside-me" functionally doesn't exist anymore, then anyone outside themselves isn't really real in the sense of worthy of their consideration. They become reptilian and only use their higher brain to maneuver through a world that for some stupid reason keeps insisting they play fair and consider others.

If they see that the end point of their immediate behavior will land them in the pokey, or worse, exposure of themselves as flawed and rotten, not worthy of praise, they will modify it; just enough. And as they go through the world, the are like a race horse in this regard, just barely reined in, but always ultimately disregarding of others from the fatal flaw cemented in childhood: a complete lack of altruism. If they gain a position of power, where others are in awe of them, the gloves come off. Fear/awe or admiration are all the same to them. It sets them apart as more special in their own minds. They'll groom admiration at first, but in the end, they're going to want you submissive to their shifting Will and in compete awe of their power over you. They will go to startling lengths to accomplish this.

My own mother suffers from NPD. She was type who was the results from too much coddling. She was groomed since birth to see herself as the center of the world. As a child she was injured at birth by a country doctor back in the day. As a result, her parents put off having more children in a row, as was common then, and focused on their injured baby. They took her weekly to a specialist in a city nearby their town. They worked with and doted over her every day in physical therapy. No doubt a feeling of guilt overtook my grandparents (who were very sweet people BTW) and they mistakenly showered this little baby girl with extras that she saw other kids weren't getting around her. This was back during the Great Depression. They created a monster through good intentions.

And so she conducted herself. The issue was never discovered by my grandparents until it was far too late. Because one of the main things an NPD learns at the earliest progression of the disease is to tailor their behavior in the moment to how they perceive their audience is accepting or handling it. So they become self-aware only to the extent that they modify behavior in the moment to get what they're after. They know what they're up to is objected to, but they can't figure out why. They filter everything through "if I want it, it is true, good and right". So they gauge and they gauge and they gauge their audience.

I'm not going to go deeper into the syndrome because it's...too difficult here, my being so close to it all my life. But what I will say is: BEWARE. These people can actually kill, if they feel they are slighted enough; their immense and fragile ego bruised enough. Understand that from a narcissist's point of view, you don't exist. You are at best like a vestigial limb, a mere extension of their own Will, a knob on their sound-mixing board. If you "become defective" (cease to do their bidding 100% of the time or cease to shower them with endless fawning), they will unceremoniously pluck you out, crush you under their boot heel and toss you in the trash without batting an eyelash.

They will however, if set on a certain goal of which is paramount to reflect their self-perception of omnipotence, like oh, say President of the United States, spend a great deal of effort being glib, superficial and saying anything they know will grab your ear and, ultimately, get them to the goal they're after. Especially if you are a more distant participant in their game, and not already pulled up short by your shirt collar close to them with their gun in your back. Not a whit of what they say is authentic and they lack the grit or incentive or often even the ability to deliver on their promises...since after all, they live in the moment once they get where they want to be. They are also factually stupid; part of the spin off of never learning. But they will demand that you worship their superior intelligence...or else! They make the worst sort of managers. Their biggest tangible talent in the world is sewing a wake of dysfunction and misery everywhere they go.

Now, I'm not an expert on Donald Trump, but I have seen some disturbing signs in his behavior over the years. He does have the penchant for crushing enemies for really pretty trivial slights. He doesn't wear insults well and they seem to particularly disturb him. As a public figure, he should be used to criticism and let it roll off of him. And even today as he tries to backpeddle that former habit of disproportionate-revenge, you can see him seething and practically bursting at the seams when someone criticizes him; forcing a smile through manic blathering and gritted teeth.

Oh people, beware. If he has this issue, you'd be better off electing an epileptic hamster for all the good it would do your country. We are in big trouble. The last thing this country needs right now is to have a borderline personality in the Captain's Chair of the Titanic while there's still about 5 minutes to turn this ship around...

Here's the cookie-cutter definition. They leave out the more horrible behaviors because they don't want to insult a potential patient from seeking help...

Definition
By Mayo Clinic Staff
Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism......A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. You may be generally unhappy and disappointed when you're not given the special favors or admiration you believe you deserve. Others may not enjoy being around you, and you may find your relationships unfulfilling. Narcissistic personality disorder - Mayo Clinic

Barack Obama is the poster boy for NPD.
 
TELL ME YOU WILL NOT ELECT TRUMP.

If you do not vote for Trump, I promise not to vote for Corbyn. (Corbyn is the labour leader in Britain who said he would never press the nuclear button under any circumstances)

Britain will soon be an Islamic Republic. I have little confidence that the Brits will do what they have to do to save themselves.
 
TELL ME YOU WILL NOT ELECT TRUMP.

If you do not vote for Trump, I promise not to vote for Corbyn. (Corbyn is the labour leader in Britain who said he would never press the nuclear button under any circumstances)

Britain will soon be an Islamic Republic. I have little confidence that the Brits will do what they have to do to save themselves.

You are talking about a people that stood up to the Nazis when we were virtually without armaments. We built them, we used them, we won. We are currently part of the coalition to destroy ISIS.
 
TELL ME YOU WILL NOT ELECT TRUMP.

If you do not vote for Trump, I promise not to vote for Corbyn. (Corbyn is the labour leader in Britain who said he would never press the nuclear button under any circumstances)

Britain will soon be an Islamic Republic. I have little confidence that the Brits will do what they have to do to save themselves.

You are talking about a people that stood up to the Nazis when we were virtually without armaments. We built them, we used them, we won. We are currently part of the coalition to destroy ISIS.

You will be absorbed from within. They will surpass you in numbers. That's their plan.
 
Sil you should avoid practicing medicine without a license -----and CERTAINLY avoid doing it over the internet. NPD is that which real psychiatrists traditionally
called a "personality disorder"--------it is not a psychosis. Personality disorders
are kinda very variable in severity and VIRTUALLY universal-----just about anyone can be described as "having" one------more precisely they should be called "personality traits" to avoid the mistake of characterizing them as PATHOLOGICAL----of course sometimes a personality trait IS pathological-----but leave that idea to the experts. You are out of your league (Unless you are a licensed psychiatrist----but you are not-----because no real psychiatrist would engage in the nonsense in which you are engaging right now)

I gave a link to a professional assessment in my OP which matches my own EXPERIENCE OF 51 YEARS being at the end of the whip of a diagnosed NPD patient. I think that's good enough to make my points, don't you? Let's say that between the two of us, I'm more qualified to weigh in on the disease generally.

Tell you what, you got get a clinician experienced in diagnosing and attempting to treat malignant narcissists and have him/her tell me how I'm wrong in the OP. Fair enough?
 

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