Why does Britain have less gun murder? Their criminals don't shoot to kill....

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    Yeah.....what is it with just measuring gun deaths? Britain banned guns, and confiscated them.....on the promise that taking those guns away would make their country safer and less violent...that was the promise...

    What actually happened? The gun crime rate and the violent crime rate is going through the roof and with cuts to their police manpower, police budgets, and hamstringing their police with politcal correctness......they aren't going down anytime soon......and once their criminals get tired of stabbing each other to death, they will start to take their gun murder more seriously....

    Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

    The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

    The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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    Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

    Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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    Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

    Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

    Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

    A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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    He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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    Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

    Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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    Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

    He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

    Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

    He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

    Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

    But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

    The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

    Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

    Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.





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    Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

    The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


    A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

    The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

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    as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

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    Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

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    London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

    While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

    London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


    The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

    Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

    But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

    Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

    The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

    As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

    That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

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    Arrests plunge by half in 10 years despite soaring crime rate

    The new figures come just days after it was revealed the total number of crimes recorded year on year passed the 5 million mark for the first time in a decade.

    In the year ending March 2017, only 11 per cent of crimes resulted in someone being charged. In almost half of all crimes (48 per cent) no suspects were identified.



    Former home secretary David Blunkett claimed officers were more likely to give warnings rather than arrest people in a bid to avoid paperwork.


    However, others have pointed to the pressure put on the dwindling number of officers, with a 13 per cent drop in numbers recorded by the Home Office between 2010 and 2016.

    Lord Blunkett said: "Police are reluctant to arrest people because of the amount of paperwork involved, so officers are encouraged to give warnings rather than arrest people.

    "That means people are on the street who might otherwise be prosecuted and it sends a signal that reverberates very quickly, leading criminals to think they can get away with it."

    Campaigners have warned victims are losing confidence in police forces that increasingly treat crimes such as burglary and assault as minor incidents.
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    Speaking to the Telegraph, David Green, chief executive of the Civitas think tank, said: "The police are unable to cope with the volume of crime, and the 20,000 drop in police numbers is bound to have made a difference."
     
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    Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals....you can refuse to understand that fact...but it is a fact....and also, another fact....

    We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
    -- gun murder down 49%

    --gun crime down 75%

    --violent crime down 72%

    Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

    Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

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    Since the dead are mostly Trump voters or future Trump voters I say have at it. You won't be missed

    Dipshit.....of the 9,616 gun murders in 2015....the majority of those murdered vote democrat, usually on the orders of their gang leaders.......as they seek to control the local politicians and control the cops through them....
     
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    Yeah......that isn't the way to measure these countries.....this is the way you do it...

    The Mistake of Only Comparing US Murder Rates to "Developed" Countries

    Why Turkey and Chile and Bulgaria? Well, those countries are OECD members, and many who use the "developed country" moniker often use the OECD members countries as a de facto list of the "true" developed countries. Of course, membership in the OECD is highly political and hardly based on any objective economic or cultural criteria.

    But if you're familiar with the OECD, you'll immediately notice a problem with the list Fisher uses. Mexico is an OECD country. So why is Mexico not in this graph? Well, it's pretty apparent that Mexico was left off the list because to do so would interfere with the point Fisher is trying to make. After all, Mexico — in spite of much more restrictive gun laws — has a murder rate many times larger than the US.
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    More Realistic Comparisons Involve a Broader View of the World

    Why not use the UN’s human development index instead? That would seem to make at least as much sense if we’re devoted to looking at “developed countries.”

    So, let’s do that. Here we see that the OECD’s list contains Turkey, Bulgaria, Mexico, and Chile. So, if we're honest with ourselves, that must mean that other countries with similar human development rankings are also suitable for comparisons to the US.

    Well, Turkey and Mexico have HDI numbers at .75. So, let’s include other countries with HDI numbers either similar or higher. That means we should include The Bahamas, Argentina, Costa Rica, Cuba, Panama, Uruguay, Venezuela, Russia, Lithuania, Belarus, Estonia, and Latvia.

    You can see where this is going. If we include countries that have HDI numbers similar to — or at least as high as — OECD members Turkey and Mexico, we find that the picture for the United States murder rate looks very different (correctly using murder rates and not gun-deaths rates):

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    Wow, that US sure has a pretty low murder rate compared to all those countries that are comparable to some OECD members. In fact, Russia, Costa Rica and Lithuania have all been invited to begin the process of joining the OECD (Russia is on hold for obvious political reasons). But all those countries have higher murder rates than the US. (I wonder what excuse Fisher will manufacture for leaving off those countries after they join the OECD.)

    Things get even more interesting if we add American states with low murder rates.

    And why not include data from individual states?

    It has always been extremely imprecise and lazy to talk about the “US murder rate” The US is an immense country with a lot of variety in laws and demographics.



    (Mexico deserves the same analysis, by the way.)

    Many states have murder rates that place them on the short list of low-crime places in the world. Why do we conveniently ignore them?


    The US murder rate is being driven up by a few high-murder states such as Maryland, Louisiana, South Carolina, Delaware, and Tennessee. In the spirit of selective use of data, let's just leave those states out of it, and look at some of the low-crime ones:

     
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    And of course you can't break down the 33,000 deaths...because when you do, most of them are suicides with guns...a voluntary, individual act.....which means nothing because countries with absolute gun control, like Korea, China, and Japan, all have suicide rates, without guns, that are higher than ours......also, our non gun suicide rate was higher than our gun suicide rate 2 years in a row....and most years they are about the same.....

    And the remaining...which are gun murders? 70-80% of the victims are criminals...not law abiding people.....

    Gun suicide..

    Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

    2015
    Gun suicide...

    22,018

    Non Gun suicide...

    22,078
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    Gun Accidental death.....
    2015


    489

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    Gun murder ( 70-80% of the victims of gun murder are actual criminals, not law abiding people)

    Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


    2015--

    9,616

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    Suicide
    ...even though Japan, Korea, China, all have absolute gun control for law abiding citizens...only criminals and cops can have guns.......and they have higher suicide rates than we do....and our non-gun suicide rate has been higher than our gun suicide rate for 2 years in a row.....

    Gun Accidental Death...

    Gun accidents....in a country with over 320,000,000 people...... with 400,000,000 guns in private hands, and over 15,700,000 people carrying guns for self defense..... 489 accidental gun deaths....

    Gun murder
    Of the 9,616 gun murders in this country, 70-80% of the victims are criminals, engaged in criminal activity or part of the criminal life style....and of the remaining victims....many of them are friends and family of the criminal...caught up in the criminal's lifestyle.....
     
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    This is why they have less crime. They actually have fewer Turd Worlders than the USA

    The most recent Census in 2011 highlights that in England and Wales, 80 per cent of the population were white British. Asian (Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi, other) ‘groups’ made up 6.8 per cent of the population; black groups 3.4 per cent; Chinese groups 0.7 cent,Arab groups 0.4 per cent and other groups 0.6 per cent.

    To be honest, they don't have our African American problem which accounts for more than HALF of all murders​
     
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    You can keep posting your lists of nonsense, 2aguy, and we can keep smiling at them.

    US is far more gun dangerous than the UK.
     
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    And the rest of us account for the other half. . . hmmm.
     
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    Yeah........not so much.....they are catching up......as their criminal gangs use guns to enforce their drug trade......they are about where we were in the mid 1960s with gun violence about to explode.....and their people won't be able to anything, since self defense in Britain is against the law...
     
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