Why do conservatives "know" so much that just isn't so?

Exactly. They know they can't prove any of it. They just "know" it.

Prove what, troll boi?

{By 1948 the accumulating evidence from other decoded Venona cables showed that the Soviets had recruited spies in virtually every major American government agency of military or diplomatic importance. American authorities learned that since 1942 the United States had been the target of a Soviet espionage onslaught involving dozens of professional Soviet intelligence officers and hundreds of Americans, many of whom were members of the American Communist party (CPUSA). The deciphered cables of the Venona Project identify 349 citizens, immigrants, and permanent residents of the United States who had had a covert relationship with Soviet intelligence agencies (see appendix A). Further, American cryptanalysts in the Venona Project deciphered only a fraction of the Soviet intelligence traffic, so it was only logical to conclude that many additional agents were discussed in the thousands of unread messages. Some were identified from other sources, such as defectors' testimony and the confessions of Soviet spies (see appendix B).}

Venona

Now obviously you're just a troll and utterly unconcerned with reality, you just want to fling shit like a feral baboon and watch for reactions.
1. Venona was only declassified in 1995.
2. Liberals have been refuting claims of Soviet espionage since the 1930s. Conservatives haven't provided any evidence incapable of being ignored or argued against since then. That hasn't stopped them from using baseless claims to destroy the lives of good, upstanding liberal American citizens.
3. Even if the USSR did have an espionage program here then it would have been no different than our known espionage program in their country. Fair is fair.
 
1. Venona was only declassified in 1995.

You are a troll. You have no intent in actual conversation

2. Liberals have been refuting claims of Soviet espionage since the 1930s. Conservatives haven't provided any evidence incapable of being ignored or argued against since then. That hasn't stopped them from using baseless claims to destroy the lives of good, upstanding liberal American citizens.
3. Even if the USSR did have an espionage program here then it would have been no different than our known espionage program in their country. Fair is fair.

Even the most insane a drooling leftists here, the Mamooth and Puddly Pillowbite levels, don't deny that there were Soviet Spies. They may try to make excuses for Harry Dexter White, Dean Achenson, et al. The the fact that these were Soviet spies cannon be contested by sentient beings.

You as a feral baboon seek only to fling feces, one cannot view you as sentient.
 
They "know" the former USSR was a legitimate threat and had an intelligence apparatus operating within the US, despite the fact that the only proof they've ever been able to give for their little James Bond-inspired conspiracy theory has been a few vague Soviet records and the mad ravings of the thoroughly discredited Joseph McCarthy. Of course, that didn't stop them from ruining the lives of many totally innocent and patriotic Americans such as Alger Hiss or the Rosenbergs in the name of their anti-Communist bigotry.

They "know" Islamic extremism is a threat to the US now, despite the real threat clearly being Christianity. They like to go on and on about their little "ISIS" project and how scary they want us to think their big bad totally-not-made-up "al-Qaeda" boogyman is but they shut up real quick when you ask them about the Hutaree militia or Christian Dominionist radical Timothy McVeigh.

They "know" gender is biological, despite the fact that it's quite clearly a social construct. You're not a boy because you have a penis or a girl because you have a vagina. You're a male or female only because you think you are.

They "know" that the questions of what life is and when it begins are biological rather than sociological, despite these questions being entirely philosophical rather than scientific in any way. They just can't understand that it's up to every person to determine a personal answer to these deeply philosophical questions for him or herself.

They "know" that people have an inherent "right to life", completely ignoring that there exists nothing of the sort, either in US law or international law. If people really had a right not to be killed then conservatives wouldn't be promoting business interests or trying to go after welfare abusers.

Relatedly, they "know" a fetus is a person, despite the fact that personhood is a legally defined concept and our legal system's definition of it specifically excluding fetuses. Yes. Evidently they really stupid enough to use a word for something it's defined not to mean.

They "know" Planned Parenthood sells aborted biological material, despite the fact that the only proof they've ever been able to give for their little terrorist conspiracy theory has been a series of debunked fake hoax videos, Cecile Richards' apology for the tone of the actress playing Nucatola, and... well, that's about it. Every reasonable person, almost every media corporation, Planned Parenthood, and even the fucking president of the United States has stated multiple times in no uncertain terms that they are a hoax and have been debunked as a hoax because they're fake and stupid and a hoax. Of course, that doesn't dissuade them from encouraging the lying terrorist scumbags responsible to breaking the court order to stop releasing them.

They think identity politics is bad and divisive, despite the fact that it's literally just voting according to the personal interests of yourself and people who look like you. It doesn't make sense not to be for it. Technically even they do it.

I'm sure I can think of plenty of other instances of them doing this. The question is why they do it. Why do they persist in trying to live in their little reality when they could live in the enlightened liberal one?

The biggest lie ever told by a president of the U S was "Trickle Down"

Ronald Reagan slashed tax rates for the wealthy to pre depression levels, never cut spending a goddam dime, Borrowed $3 trillion from foreign banks thereby funneling the borrowed money into the hands of the Americans who were not entitled to it and increasing the national debt to levels previously unheard of.....then look at the results:

..................................U S Total Debt................................

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)((Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

6a00d83451c45669e201675ecf1529970b-550wi
 
They "know" the former USSR was a legitimate threat and had an intelligence apparatus operating within the US, despite the fact that the only proof they've ever been able to give for their little James Bond-inspired conspiracy theory has been a few vague Soviet records and the mad ravings of the thoroughly discredited Joseph McCarthy. Of course, that didn't stop them from ruining the lives of many totally innocent and patriotic Americans such as Alger Hiss or the Rosenbergs in the name of their anti-Communist bigotry.

They "know" Islamic extremism is a threat to the US now, despite the real threat clearly being Christianity. They like to go on and on about their little "ISIS" project and how scary they want us to think their big bad totally-not-made-up "al-Qaeda" boogyman is but they shut up real quick when you ask them about the Hutaree militia or Christian Dominionist radical Timothy McVeigh.

They "know" gender is biological, despite the fact that it's quite clearly a social construct. You're not a boy because you have a penis or a girl because you have a vagina. You're a male or female only because you think you are.

They "know" that the questions of what life is and when it begins are biological rather than sociological, despite these questions being entirely philosophical rather than scientific in any way. They just can't understand that it's up to every person to determine a personal answer to these deeply philosophical questions for him or herself.

They "know" that people have an inherent "right to life", completely ignoring that there exists nothing of the sort, either in US law or international law. If people really had a right not to be killed then conservatives wouldn't be promoting business interests or trying to go after welfare abusers.

Relatedly, they "know" a fetus is a person, despite the fact that personhood is a legally defined concept and our legal system's definition of it specifically excluding fetuses. Yes. Evidently they really stupid enough to use a word for something it's defined not to mean.

They "know" Planned Parenthood sells aborted biological material, despite the fact that the only proof they've ever been able to give for their little terrorist conspiracy theory has been a series of debunked fake hoax videos, Cecile Richards' apology for the tone of the actress playing Nucatola, and... well, that's about it. Every reasonable person, almost every media corporation, Planned Parenthood, and even the fucking president of the United States has stated multiple times in no uncertain terms that they are a hoax and have been debunked as a hoax because they're fake and stupid and a hoax. Of course, that doesn't dissuade them from encouraging the lying terrorist scumbags responsible to breaking the court order to stop releasing them.

They think identity politics is bad and divisive, despite the fact that it's literally just voting according to the personal interests of yourself and people who look like you. It doesn't make sense not to be for it. Technically even they do it.

I'm sure I can think of plenty of other instances of them doing this. The question is why they do it. Why do they persist in trying to live in their little reality when they could live in the enlightened liberal one?







Ummm, no. When the wall came down the Soviet spy apparatus was exposed for everyone to see and lo and behold McCarthy for all of his anti Constitutional asshole behavior was actually correct on most counts.

When you get this much wrong so early I don't need to read the rest of your crap.
 
They "know" the former USSR was a legitimate threat and had an intelligence apparatus operating within the US, despite the fact that the only proof they've ever been able to give for their little James Bond-inspired conspiracy theory has been a few vague Soviet records and the mad ravings of the thoroughly discredited Joseph McCarthy. Of course, that didn't stop them from ruining the lives of many totally innocent and patriotic Americans such as Alger Hiss or the Rosenbergs in the name of their anti-Communist bigotry.

They "know" Islamic extremism is a threat to the US now, despite the real threat clearly being Christianity. They like to go on and on about their little "ISIS" project and how scary they want us to think their big bad totally-not-made-up "al-Qaeda" boogyman is but they shut up real quick when you ask them about the Hutaree militia or Christian Dominionist radical Timothy McVeigh.

They "know" gender is biological, despite the fact that it's quite clearly a social construct. You're not a boy because you have a penis or a girl because you have a vagina. You're a male or female only because you think you are.

They "know" that the questions of what life is and when it begins are biological rather than sociological, despite these questions being entirely philosophical rather than scientific in any way. They just can't understand that it's up to every person to determine a personal answer to these deeply philosophical questions for him or herself.

They "know" that people have an inherent "right to life", completely ignoring that there exists nothing of the sort, either in US law or international law. If people really had a right not to be killed then conservatives wouldn't be promoting business interests or trying to go after welfare abusers.

Relatedly, they "know" a fetus is a person, despite the fact that personhood is a legally defined concept and our legal system's definition of it specifically excluding fetuses. Yes. Evidently they really stupid enough to use a word for something it's defined not to mean.

They "know" Planned Parenthood sells aborted biological material, despite the fact that the only proof they've ever been able to give for their little terrorist conspiracy theory has been a series of debunked fake hoax videos, Cecile Richards' apology for the tone of the actress playing Nucatola, and... well, that's about it. Every reasonable person, almost every media corporation, Planned Parenthood, and even the fucking president of the United States has stated multiple times in no uncertain terms that they are a hoax and have been debunked as a hoax because they're fake and stupid and a hoax. Of course, that doesn't dissuade them from encouraging the lying terrorist scumbags responsible to breaking the court order to stop releasing them.

They think identity politics is bad and divisive, despite the fact that it's literally just voting according to the personal interests of yourself and people who look like you. It doesn't make sense not to be for it. Technically even they do it.

I'm sure I can think of plenty of other instances of them doing this. The question is why they do it. Why do they persist in trying to live in their little reality when they could live in the enlightened liberal one?

The biggest lie ever told by a president of the U S was "Trickle Down"

Ronald Reagan slashed tax rates for the wealthy to pre depression levels, never cut spending a goddam dime, Borrowed $3 trillion from foreign banks thereby funneling the borrowed money into the hands of the Americans who were not entitled to it and increasing the national debt to levels previously unheard of.....then look at the results:

..................................U S Total Debt................................

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)((Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

6a00d83451c45669e201675ecf1529970b-550wi

What does this have to do with the topic?

Oh that's right, nothing.

Because you can't support the topic you post moronic talking points from the hate sites that do your thinking for you.
 
They "know" the former USSR was a legitimate threat and had an intelligence apparatus operating within the US, despite the fact that the only proof they've ever been able to give for their little James Bond-inspired conspiracy theory has been a few vague Soviet records and the mad ravings of the thoroughly discredited Joseph McCarthy. Of course, that didn't stop them from ruining the lives of many totally innocent and patriotic Americans such as Alger Hiss or the Rosenbergs in the name of their anti-Communist bigotry.

They "know" Islamic extremism is a threat to the US now, despite the real threat clearly being Christianity. They like to go on and on about their little "ISIS" project and how scary they want us to think their big bad totally-not-made-up "al-Qaeda" boogyman is but they shut up real quick when you ask them about the Hutaree militia or Christian Dominionist radical Timothy McVeigh.

They "know" gender is biological, despite the fact that it's quite clearly a social construct. You're not a boy because you have a penis or a girl because you have a vagina. You're a male or female only because you think you are.

They "know" that the questions of what life is and when it begins are biological rather than sociological, despite these questions being entirely philosophical rather than scientific in any way. They just can't understand that it's up to every person to determine a personal answer to these deeply philosophical questions for him or herself.

They "know" that people have an inherent "right to life", completely ignoring that there exists nothing of the sort, either in US law or international law. If people really had a right not to be killed then conservatives wouldn't be promoting business interests or trying to go after welfare abusers.

Relatedly, they "know" a fetus is a person, despite the fact that personhood is a legally defined concept and our legal system's definition of it specifically excluding fetuses. Yes. Evidently they really stupid enough to use a word for something it's defined not to mean.

They "know" Planned Parenthood sells aborted biological material, despite the fact that the only proof they've ever been able to give for their little terrorist conspiracy theory has been a series of debunked fake hoax videos, Cecile Richards' apology for the tone of the actress playing Nucatola, and... well, that's about it. Every reasonable person, almost every media corporation, Planned Parenthood, and even the fucking president of the United States has stated multiple times in no uncertain terms that they are a hoax and have been debunked as a hoax because they're fake and stupid and a hoax. Of course, that doesn't dissuade them from encouraging the lying terrorist scumbags responsible to breaking the court order to stop releasing them.

They think identity politics is bad and divisive, despite the fact that it's literally just voting according to the personal interests of yourself and people who look like you. It doesn't make sense not to be for it. Technically even they do it.

I'm sure I can think of plenty of other instances of them doing this. The question is why they do it. Why do they persist in trying to live in their little reality when they could live in the enlightened liberal one?
Lolol omg the libs are the biggest bunch of liars phonies and baiters on the planet.
 
Ummm, no. When the wall came down the Soviet spy apparatus was exposed for everyone to see and lo and behold McCarthy for all of his anti Constitutional asshole behavior was actually correct on most counts.

When you get this much wrong so early I don't need to read the rest of your crap.

What Venona did is validate that the Federal Government knew it was infiltrated with spies, and did nothing about it.

We often view Obama as the first president openly working for the enemies of America, but given the number of Soviet operatives in his administration, Truman may have been just as much of a traitor as Obama is.
 
Why do hardcore partisan ideologues only see one side of every issue?
.

Fear, a lack of curiosity and to think critically exposes them to cognitive dissonance which is the source of headaches for most partisans.

BTW, partisan does not equate to party. Those on the left, right and center in every party can be partisan, or can have an open mind and the ability to modify their opinions based on factual evidence,
 
Are you disputing that it was, in fact, declassified in July of 1995?

I'm disputing that you have any desire to do anything but troll.

You are a shit flinging monkey, a feral baboon.
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

The sad part is that this is the highest quality post that you have yet offered in this thread. :dunno:
It's interesting that you cut out all of the context.
 
They "know" the former USSR was a legitimate threat and had an intelligence apparatus operating within the US, despite the fact that the only proof they've ever been able to give for their little James Bond-inspired conspiracy theory has been a few vague Soviet records and the mad ravings of the thoroughly discredited Joseph McCarthy. Of course, that didn't stop them from ruining the lives of many totally innocent and patriotic Americans such as Alger Hiss or the Rosenbergs in the name of their anti-Communist bigotry.

They "know" Islamic extremism is a threat to the US now, despite the real threat clearly being Christianity. They like to go on and on about their little "ISIS" project and how scary they want us to think their big bad totally-not-made-up "al-Qaeda" boogyman is but they shut up real quick when you ask them about the Hutaree militia or Christian Dominionist radical Timothy McVeigh.

They "know" gender is biological, despite the fact that it's quite clearly a social construct. You're not a boy because you have a penis or a girl because you have a vagina. You're a male or female only because you think you are.

They "know" that the questions of what life is and when it begins are biological rather than sociological, despite these questions being entirely philosophical rather than scientific in any way. They just can't understand that it's up to every person to determine a personal answer to these deeply philosophical questions for him or herself.

They "know" that people have an inherent "right to life", completely ignoring that there exists nothing of the sort, either in US law or international law. If people really had a right not to be killed then conservatives wouldn't be promoting business interests or trying to go after welfare abusers.

Relatedly, they "know" a fetus is a person, despite the fact that personhood is a legally defined concept and our legal system's definition of it specifically excluding fetuses. Yes. Evidently they really stupid enough to use a word for something it's defined not to mean.

They "know" Planned Parenthood sells aborted biological material, despite the fact that the only proof they've ever been able to give for their little terrorist conspiracy theory has been a series of debunked fake hoax videos, Cecile Richards' apology for the tone of the actress playing Nucatola, and... well, that's about it. Every reasonable person, almost every media corporation, Planned Parenthood, and even the fucking president of the United States has stated multiple times in no uncertain terms that they are a hoax and have been debunked as a hoax because they're fake and stupid and a hoax. Of course, that doesn't dissuade them from encouraging the lying terrorist scumbags responsible to breaking the court order to stop releasing them.

They think identity politics is bad and divisive, despite the fact that it's literally just voting according to the personal interests of yourself and people who look like you. It doesn't make sense not to be for it. Technically even they do it.

I'm sure I can think of plenty of other instances of them doing this. The question is why they do it. Why do they persist in trying to live in their little reality when they could live in the enlightened liberal one?
Lolol omg the libs are the biggest bunch of liars phonies and baiters on the planet.

LMAO!!! The whole Republican agenda of tax cuts for the wealthy and "TRICKLE DOWN" is the biggest lie I've ever heard about.....'course I'm just 81.
Ronald McDonald took over and immediately slashed tax rates for the wealthy to the lowest they had been since the great depression. He didn't cut spending a goddam dime and proceeded to borrow $3 trillion dollars from foreign banks thereby quadrupling the national debt from about $1 trillion to over $4 trillion.......that's 1980's dollars.

................................Total U S Debt................................

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)((Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

(Click Image To Enlarge)
 

Attachments

  • TAX RATE BY PRES.jpg
    TAX RATE BY PRES.jpg
    88.5 KB · Views: 64
Last edited:
It goes beyond that. The OP is so poorly informed and claims so much that isnt so he lacks any credibility. It is simply fact that the USSR had a spying operation in this country from the 1930s on. There is no room for opinoon on the matter at all.
It's commonly understood by everyone outside of the conservative bubble that there was no Soviet espionage presence in this country. I'd say I hate to break it to you but I really don't. And, even if they did, it was their right as a sovereign nation to do so. What, you think America is the only country allowed to spy on other nations? You think we should have kept sole ownership of nuclear technology?
It is simply fact the Soviet Union had an espionage operation here since the 1930s. Are you denything this?
 

Forum List

Back
Top