Why do all liberal ideas result in more poverty?

[karpenter]

With Subsidies ??

No

Yes....

 

[candycorn]

Hmmmm.....

I read recently where they were putting up 300 more wind turbines over in southern California the other day.

With Subsidies ??

Clearly the company putting them up is making money off of their installation.

From Subsidies ??

Clearly whomever services them is making money.

Off Subsidies ??

Clearly the land owners are making money.

Because Of Subsidies ??

I doubt any of them are impoverished.

Because Of All The Subsidies ??

What Happened To Cries Of
Corporate Welfare !!
....??

No

Yes....

Wow, you’re stupid.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It is easier to make everyone equally poor than it is to make everyone equally rich. If you really want equality than you want equality of poverty.

 

[karpenter]

Wow, you’re stupid.

Show This Wind Farm Isn't Subsidized
Like Every Wind Farm In America

 

[litman]

I read the article posted and found it without fat or any brain power used to write it. I live in Washington state and we have been moving to renewable power for several years. My power bills have not increased. So instead of going and finding some study done by the oil industry why not just open your eyes to the truth. The best part is that it also creates jobs that can't be outsourced like the Donald does with his little phony business. Don't listen to what they say but what they do. If you do that then the Donald is finished. He is enacting programs that will seriously hurt the rank and file and only help the very rich.

 

[jc456]

Hmmmm.....

I read recently where they were putting up 300 more wind turbines over in southern California the other day. Clearly the company putting them up is making money off of their installation. Clearly whomever services them is making money. Clearly the land owners are making money.

I doubt any of them are impoverished.

and the hundreds of thousand poor people who pay for electricity lose it because they can't afford to pay the higher costs and unreliable.

 

[gfm7175]

It seems that when we actually take a look at what happens to real people who find themselves on a grid that his heavy with renewables, we see that energy costs increase, household poverty risks increase, and household incomes decline. Why do all liberal ideas result in more poverty? Why can they not see that their nutty ideas invariably hurt the people who can least afford their madness?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0360544218325738

Energy that produces CO2, on the other hand lets to economic prosperity and industrialization.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...al_development_and_energy_policy_perspectives

reposted from NoTricksZone: "Not here to worship what is known, but to question it" – Jacob Bronowski. Climate and energy news from Germany in English – by Pierre L. Gosselin

Because if they actually fixed the problems for their "voting base", they wouldn't have a voting base anymore... Instead, they keep inverting the blame onto Republicans...

 

[SSDD]

How much will be saved on less asthma cases, and less sickness, from the poisoned air and water of fossil fuel contamination?

How many species of raptors, bats, and migratory birds are you willing to see go extinct because of those inefficient, meat grinders?

a lot less than the losses due to oil production and use.

Any actual evidence or is the claim something that you are just making up. Got a list of the number of raptors, bats and migratory birds killed due to oil?...If you do then lets see it...the threat of extinction for raptors is very real due to wind turbines...is wind energy worth the loss of a species of raptor?

 

[SSDD]

Hmmmm.....

I read recently where they were putting up 300 more wind turbines over in southern California the other day.

With Subsidies ??

Clearly the company putting them up is making money off of their installation.

From Subsidies ??

Clearly whomever services them is making money.

Off Subsidies ??

Clearly the land owners are making money.

Because Of Subsidies ??

I doubt any of them are impoverished.

Because Of All The Subsidies ??

What Happened To Cries Of
Corporate Welfare !!
....??

Only around 50 billion a year in oil subsidies..

Oil doesn't get subsidies...they get tax provisions, but not subsidies...two very different things if you know anything at all about the topic...if you don't, it is very easy to be duped by people calling tax breaks subsidies...

 

[SSDD]

It is easier to make everyone equally poor than it is to make everyone equally rich. If you really want equality than you want equality of poverty.

Precisely....liberals want everyone to be equal in their misery...except for themselves of course...unfortunate that the rank and file liberals don't realize that the elites will throw them under the poverty bus along with the rest of us poor schlubs who work for a living...and they aren't bright enough to look at history to see how the story line plays out.

 

[Moonglow]

Hmmmm.....

I read recently where they were putting up 300 more wind turbines over in southern California the other day.

With Subsidies ??

Clearly the company putting them up is making money off of their installation.

From Subsidies ??

Clearly whomever services them is making money.

Off Subsidies ??

Clearly the land owners are making money.

Because Of Subsidies ??

I doubt any of them are impoverished.

Because Of All The Subsidies ??

What Happened To Cries Of
Corporate Welfare !!
....??

Only around 50 billion a year in oil subsidies..

Oil doesn't get subsidies...they get tax provisions, but not subsidies...two very different things if you know anything at all about the topic...if you don't, it is very easy to be duped by people calling tax breaks subsidies...

It seems like every day there’s a new think piece out there decrying the subsidies that renewable energy, alternative fuels, and the vehicles that can run them receive. Yet when it comes to the substantial government assistance for oil companies, those same critics are conspicuously silent.


This silence becomes all the more questionable when you consider that many such freebies have been on the books for more than a century. It’s one thing to offer support to a fledgling industry that’s in the national interest, it’s quite another to continue to prop up an industry that owns a whopping 92% market share of the transportation fuels marketplace, decade after decade.,
https://www.fuelfreedom.org/oil-company-subsidies/

 

[SSDD]

I read the article posted and found it without fat or any brain power used to write it. I live in Washington state and we have been moving to renewable power for several years. My power bills have not increased. So instead of going and finding some study done by the oil industry why not just open your eyes to the truth. The best part is that it also creates jobs that can't be outsourced like the Donald does with his little phony business. Don't listen to what they say but what they do. If you do that then the Donald is finished. He is enacting programs that will seriously hurt the rank and file and only help the very rich.

The cost of the subsidies haven't had time to hit your electric bill yet...you think somehow washington is going to escape the mind boggling increase that germany, and australia have experienced in their efforts to go green? Bookmark your post and revisit it in 2026 just to remind yourself how badly you were duped..

 

[SSDD]

Hmmmm.....

I read recently where they were putting up 300 more wind turbines over in southern California the other day.

With Subsidies ??

Clearly the company putting them up is making money off of their installation.

From Subsidies ??

Clearly whomever services them is making money.

Off Subsidies ??

Clearly the land owners are making money.

Because Of Subsidies ??

I doubt any of them are impoverished.

Because Of All The Subsidies ??

What Happened To Cries Of
Corporate Welfare !!
....??

Only around 50 billion a year in oil subsidies..

Oil doesn't get subsidies...they get tax provisions, but not subsidies...two very different things if you know anything at all about the topic...if you don't, it is very easy to be duped by people calling tax breaks subsidies...

It seems like every day there’s a new think piece out there decrying the subsidies that renewable energy, alternative fuels, and the vehicles that can run them receive. Yet when it comes to the substantial government assistance for oil companies, those same critics are conspicuously silent.


This silence becomes all the more questionable when you consider that many such freebies have been on the books for more than a century. It’s one thing to offer support to a fledgling industry that’s in the national interest, it’s quite another to continue to prop up an industry that owns a whopping 92% market share of the transportation fuels marketplace, decade after decade.,
What subsidies do oil companies receive?

Like I said...being ignorant, you are easily fooled...read your link...tax credits...not subsidies...

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Hmmmm.....

I read recently where they were putting up 300 more wind turbines over in southern California the other day.

With Subsidies ??

Clearly the company putting them up is making money off of their installation.

From Subsidies ??

Clearly whomever services them is making money.

Off Subsidies ??

Clearly the land owners are making money.

Because Of Subsidies ??

I doubt any of them are impoverished.

Because Of All The Subsidies ??

What Happened To Cries Of
Corporate Welfare !!
....??

Only around 50 billion a year in oil subsidies..

Oil doesn't get subsidies...they get tax provisions, but not subsidies...two very different things if you know anything at all about the topic...if you don't, it is very easy to be duped by people calling tax breaks subsidies...

It seems like every day there’s a new think piece out there decrying the subsidies that renewable energy, alternative fuels, and the vehicles that can run them receive. Yet when it comes to the substantial government assistance for oil companies, those same critics are conspicuously silent.


This silence becomes all the more questionable when you consider that many such freebies have been on the books for more than a century. It’s one thing to offer support to a fledgling industry that’s in the national interest, it’s quite another to continue to prop up an industry that owns a whopping 92% market share of the transportation fuels marketplace, decade after decade.,
What subsidies do oil companies receive?

Like I said...being ignorant, you are easily fooled...read your link...tax credits...not subsidies...

he even posted the pie chart
they always bring up 100 year old tax breaks

are tax breaks subsidies ....em HIGHLY debatable

cut em and watch your gas prices go up. ANd right on thread topic whenever fuel or electric jumps watch the working poor and the middle class get screwed...ya know the people democrats we're supposed to care about ................ But really don't give a rats ass about

Then good news you guys get to blame trump for rising gas price s


Should older tax code be updated on what tax rates ,credits,exclusion ,deductions BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH what have you
probably ? maybe ? dont touch em?
oil was not my business so i dont really know
what i DO know is the cost will be passed onto any end user and regular joe consumer

fossil fuel prices touch everything
from Agriculture to Zambonis

 

[SSDD]

It is always interesting to see how many liberals are unable to differentiate between tax breaks and subsidies....it isn't as if it were rocket science or some such esoteric knowledge.

A tax break, or a tax cut, is a reduction in the tax revenues collected. That is, the entity getting the tax break is already producing a product and receiving income for that product. A tax break simply means that the government takes less of the money they are already making from the sale of their product..

A subsidy, however, is money given to an individual or business for a specific purpose. That purpose in the case of green energy is to get the business started. It is a hand out...charity...money for nothing...and the reason so many of the businesses which start up on money from subsidies go under in short order..

 

[Care4all]

Hmmmm.....

I read recently where they were putting up 300 more wind turbines over in southern California the other day.

With Subsidies ??

Clearly the company putting them up is making money off of their installation.

From Subsidies ??

Clearly whomever services them is making money.

Off Subsidies ??

Clearly the land owners are making money.

Because Of Subsidies ??

I doubt any of them are impoverished.

Because Of All The Subsidies ??

What Happened To Cries Of
Corporate Welfare !!
....??

Only around 50 billion a year in oil subsidies..

Oil doesn't get subsidies...they get tax provisions, but not subsidies...two very different things if you know anything at all about the topic...if you don't, it is very easy to be duped by people calling tax breaks subsidies...

if the tax break is for the oil industry or fossil fuel industry and NOT AVAILABLE for other industries, it is a subsidy, silly one...

 

[Care4all]

Hmmmm.....

I read recently where they were putting up 300 more wind turbines over in southern California the other day.

With Subsidies ??

Clearly the company putting them up is making money off of their installation.

From Subsidies ??

Clearly whomever services them is making money.

Off Subsidies ??

Clearly the land owners are making money.

Because Of Subsidies ??

I doubt any of them are impoverished.

Because Of All The Subsidies ??

What Happened To Cries Of
Corporate Welfare !!
....??

Only around 50 billion a year in oil subsidies..

Oil doesn't get subsidies...they get tax provisions, but not subsidies...two very different things if you know anything at all about the topic...if you don't, it is very easy to be duped by people calling tax breaks subsidies...

if the tax break is for the oil industry or fossil fuel industry and NOT AVAILABLE for other industries, it is a subsidy, silly one...

here is a link that explains a great deal on the history of the fossil fuel and nuclear subsidies/tax credits etc

Long History Of U.S. Energy Subsidies | December 19, 2011 Issue - Vol. 89 Issue 51 | Chemical & Engineering News

 

[candycorn]

Farmers actually CREATE something tangible, and necessary for human life. Do you want to not have food available? Maybe we should just throw more money away to more social programs in order to social engineer the society? How about we create an inner city plantation for Blacks? Oh wait.

We can just buy imported stuff. We don’t need to pay 3 times for the same food.

We’re already paying for it with our taxes through subsidies.

And we are paying again in the form of your blob’s bail out.

Why do we have to buy it again at the store.?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

How much will be saved on less asthma cases, and less sickness, from the poisoned air and water of fossil fuel contamination?

How many species of raptors, bats, and migratory birds are you willing to see go extinct because of those inefficient, meat grinders?

a lot less than the losses due to oil production and use.

Any actual evidence or is the claim something that you are just making up. Got a list of the number of raptors, bats and migratory birds killed due to oil?...If you do then lets see it...the threat of extinction for raptors is very real due to wind turbines...is wind energy worth the loss of a species of raptor?

That's why the acres and acres of wind farm near Palm Springs is sitting idle. The turbines have never been used.

 

[Jitss617]

It seems that when we actually take a look at what happens to real people who find themselves on a grid that his heavy with renewables, we see that energy costs increase, household poverty risks increase, and household incomes decline. Why do all liberal ideas result in more poverty? Why can they not see that their nutty ideas invariably hurt the people who can least afford their madness?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0360544218325738

Energy that produces CO2, on the other hand lets to economic prosperity and industrialization.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...al_development_and_energy_policy_perspectives

reposted from NoTricksZone: "Not here to worship what is known, but to question it" – Jacob Bronowski. Climate and energy news from Germany in English – by Pierre L. Gosselin

This issue has nothing to do with liberalism...
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty and equal rights

Why are all cries of racial oppression only coming from your towns??