Why China can't defeat the US

[rightwinger]

with this administration in there now and the chaos they have brought on us..a boy scout troop could defeat us now

and people like wrongwhiner would cheer that too

Under President Obama we are the most powerful military in the history of mankind

 

[Politico]

China's big advantage is that the conflict would be in their backyard. The american response would have to come from halfway around the world.

Yeah Japan thought the same thing.

And that took years and was a response to an attack on US occupied Hawaii.
This would be an interference in two foreign nations, neither being a threat to America.

Yeah it took years because everyone had the same level of tech back then. And you couldn't just lob a missile up someone's ass. What is your point?

 

[Two Thumbs]

with this administration in there now and the chaos they have brought on us..a boy scout troop could defeat us now

and people like wrongwhiner would cheer that too

Under President Obama we are the most powerful military in the history of mankind

We've had that since at least Reagan

 

[Delta4Embassy]

China thinks it can defeat America in battle - The Week

The bad news first. The People's Republic of China now believes it can successfully prevent the United States from intervening in the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan or some other military assault by Beijing.

Now the good news. China is wrong — and for one major reason. It apparently disregards the decisive power of America's nuclear-powered submarines.
Moreover, for economic and demographic reasons Beijing has a narrow historical window in which to use its military to alter the world's power structure. If China doesn't make a major military move in the next couple decades, it probably never will.

Fortunately for that liberal order, America possesses by far the world's most powerful submarine force — one poised to quickly sink any Chinese invasion fleet. In announcing its readiness to hold off the U.S. military, the PLA seems to have ignored Washington's huge undersea advantage.

The Navy has 74 submarines, 60 of which are attack or missile submarines optimized for finding and sinking other ships or blasting land targets. The balance is ballistic-missile boats that carry nuclear missiles and would not routinely participate in military campaigns short of an atomic World War III.

America's eight-at-a-time submarine picket in or near Chinese waters could be equally destructive to Chinese military plans, especially considering the PLA's limited anti-submarine skills. "Although China might control the surface of the sea around Taiwan, its ability to find and sink U.S. submarines will be extremely limited for the foreseeable future," Cliff testified. "Those submarines would likely be able to intercept and sink Chinese amphibious transports as they transited toward Taiwan."

In practical military terms, that means the Pentagon can more or less ignore most of China's military capabilities, including those that appear to threaten traditional U.S. advantages in nukes, air warfare, mechanized ground operations, and surface naval maneuvers.

US can't seem to defeat a 19th century society (Afganistan et al..) China's modern.

China > US

 

[rightwinger]

with this administration in there now and the chaos they have brought on us..a boy scout troop could defeat us now

and people like wrongwhiner would cheer that too

Under President Obama we are the most powerful military in the history of mankind

We've had that since at least Reagan

Actually, since FDR

We get stronger every year

 

[Indofred]

Yeah Japan thought the same thing.

And that took years and was a response to an attack on US occupied Hawaii.
This would be an interference in two foreign nations, neither being a threat to America.

Yeah it took years because everyone had the same level of tech back then. And you couldn't just lob a missile up someone's ass. What is your point?

They also have missiles, easily enough to destroy a lot of major American cities.
Would you care to tell me how America would have won if New York and Washington are both piles of radioactive rubble?

That's the problem with the American concept of war; as is usual with bullies, you only attack those who can't hit back - China can, big style.

 

[Bleipriester]

We get stronger every year

I don´t think so. America may be able to show strength to smaller countries, but in an war against China or Russia the US would have no advantages. The USAF and Army are still based on 1970/1980´s equipment in a large scale war - just like China and Russia.

In total, the United States lost in Vietnam almost 10,000 aircraft and helicopters, excluding number of UAVs.
Aircraft losses of the Vietnam War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Indofred]

China's big advantage is that the conflict would be in their backyard. The american response would have to come from halfway around the world.

The US would not become involved in a land war in China

But we would prevent any Chinese agression against Taiwan, Phillipines, S Korea or Japan

Why would you?
It would hardly effect America.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

China thinks it can defeat America in battle - The Week

The bad news first. The People's Republic of China now believes it can successfully prevent the United States from intervening in the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan or some other military assault by Beijing.

Now the good news. China is wrong — and for one major reason. It apparently disregards the decisive power of America's nuclear-powered submarines.
Moreover, for economic and demographic reasons Beijing has a narrow historical window in which to use its military to alter the world's power structure. If China doesn't make a major military move in the next couple decades, it probably never will.

Fortunately for that liberal order, America possesses by far the world's most powerful submarine force — one poised to quickly sink any Chinese invasion fleet. In announcing its readiness to hold off the U.S. military, the PLA seems to have ignored Washington's huge undersea advantage.

The Navy has 74 submarines, 60 of which are attack or missile submarines optimized for finding and sinking other ships or blasting land targets. The balance is ballistic-missile boats that carry nuclear missiles and would not routinely participate in military campaigns short of an atomic World War III.

America's eight-at-a-time submarine picket in or near Chinese waters could be equally destructive to Chinese military plans, especially considering the PLA's limited anti-submarine skills. "Although China might control the surface of the sea around Taiwan, its ability to find and sink U.S. submarines will be extremely limited for the foreseeable future," Cliff testified. "Those submarines would likely be able to intercept and sink Chinese amphibious transports as they transited toward Taiwan."

In practical military terms, that means the Pentagon can more or less ignore most of China's military capabilities, including those that appear to threaten traditional U.S. advantages in nukes, air warfare, mechanized ground operations, and surface naval maneuvers.

Excuse me?

We have one, maybe two, nuke subs patrolling the area between China and Taiwan. If China launched an all out attack on Taiwan we wouldn't be able to respond in time to make a difference unless we prepositioned forces in the area prior to the attack, and even under those circumstances nuclear subs wouldn't make a difference unless we were to initiate a first strike nuclear war over Taiwan. The reason for that is simple, China doesn't have a marine invasion force. Frankly, I don't see that happening.

If you want to know just how wrong the idiot you quoted is, read this.

https://www.usnwc.edu/getattachment...Might-Invade-Taiwan---Wood,-Piers-M-,-Fe.aspx

 

[Quantum Windbag]

with this administration in there now and the chaos they have brought on us..a boy scout troop could defeat us now

and people like wrongwhiner would cheer that too

Under President Obama we are the most powerful military in the history of mankind

Except for the military power we had in WWII you have a really good point.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Yeah Japan thought the same thing.

And that took years and was a response to an attack on US occupied Hawaii.
This would be an interference in two foreign nations, neither being a threat to America.

Yeah it took years because everyone had the same level of tech back then. And you couldn't just lob a missile up someone's ass. What is your point?

China is not as nearly as far behind in tech as Iraq or Libya.

 

[Politico]

And that took years and was a response to an attack on US occupied Hawaii.
This would be an interference in two foreign nations, neither being a threat to America.

Yeah it took years because everyone had the same level of tech back then. And you couldn't just lob a missile up someone's ass. What is your point?

They also have missiles, easily enough to destroy a lot of major American cities.
Would you care to tell me how America would have won if New York and Washington are both piles of radioactive rubble?

That's the problem with the American concept of war; as is usual with bullies, you only attack those who can't hit back - China can, big style.

I told you exactly what I meant to. That your analysis was ill conceived. Just like this one.l

 

[westwall]

China thinks it can defeat America in battle - The Week

The bad news first. The People's Republic of China now believes it can successfully prevent the United States from intervening in the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan or some other military assault by Beijing.

Now the good news. China is wrong — and for one major reason. It apparently disregards the decisive power of America's nuclear-powered submarines.
Moreover, for economic and demographic reasons Beijing has a narrow historical window in which to use its military to alter the world's power structure. If China doesn't make a major military move in the next couple decades, it probably never will.

Fortunately for that liberal order, America possesses by far the world's most powerful submarine force — one poised to quickly sink any Chinese invasion fleet. In announcing its readiness to hold off the U.S. military, the PLA seems to have ignored Washington's huge undersea advantage.

The Navy has 74 submarines, 60 of which are attack or missile submarines optimized for finding and sinking other ships or blasting land targets. The balance is ballistic-missile boats that carry nuclear missiles and would not routinely participate in military campaigns short of an atomic World War III.

America's eight-at-a-time submarine picket in or near Chinese waters could be equally destructive to Chinese military plans, especially considering the PLA's limited anti-submarine skills. "Although China might control the surface of the sea around Taiwan, its ability to find and sink U.S. submarines will be extremely limited for the foreseeable future," Cliff testified. "Those submarines would likely be able to intercept and sink Chinese amphibious transports as they transited toward Taiwan."

In practical military terms, that means the Pentagon can more or less ignore most of China's military capabilities, including those that appear to threaten traditional U.S. advantages in nukes, air warfare, mechanized ground operations, and surface naval maneuvers.

So....how do those subs intercept these?

Which drop these...

Which are supported by these...

 

[westwall]

China's big advantage is that the conflict would be in their backyard. The american response would have to come from halfway around the world.

The US would not become involved in a land war in China

But we would prevent any Chinese agression against Taiwan, Phillipines, S Korea or Japan

Not with this POTUS.

 

[westwall]

America?s staggering defense budget, in charts - The Washington Post

Yeah? Remember why crap from China is so cheap? Labor costs. Most of our expenditure is for labor. Their labor costs are nothing. You guys are real good at comparing apples vs hand grenades I'll give that to you...

 

[westwall]

with this administration in there now and the chaos they have brought on us..a boy scout troop could defeat us now

and people like wrongwhiner would cheer that too

Under President Obama we are the most powerful military in the history of mankind

I guess you've never read a history book either. The Mongols conquered and held more land area than any other empire in the history of the world. And they held it for over 100 years.

As far as powerful nothing compares to the military might we generated during the second world war. You are simply, tragically wrong.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

China thinks it can defeat America in battle - The Week

The bad news first. The People's Republic of China now believes it can successfully prevent the United States from intervening in the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan or some other military assault by Beijing.

Now the good news. China is wrong — and for one major reason. It apparently disregards the decisive power of America's nuclear-powered submarines.
Moreover, for economic and demographic reasons Beijing has a narrow historical window in which to use its military to alter the world's power structure. If China doesn't make a major military move in the next couple decades, it probably never will.

Fortunately for that liberal order, America possesses by far the world's most powerful submarine force — one poised to quickly sink any Chinese invasion fleet. In announcing its readiness to hold off the U.S. military, the PLA seems to have ignored Washington's huge undersea advantage.

The Navy has 74 submarines, 60 of which are attack or missile submarines optimized for finding and sinking other ships or blasting land targets. The balance is ballistic-missile boats that carry nuclear missiles and would not routinely participate in military campaigns short of an atomic World War III.

America's eight-at-a-time submarine picket in or near Chinese waters could be equally destructive to Chinese military plans, especially considering the PLA's limited anti-submarine skills. "Although China might control the surface of the sea around Taiwan, its ability to find and sink U.S. submarines will be extremely limited for the foreseeable future," Cliff testified. "Those submarines would likely be able to intercept and sink Chinese amphibious transports as they transited toward Taiwan."

In practical military terms, that means the Pentagon can more or less ignore most of China's military capabilities, including those that appear to threaten traditional U.S. advantages in nukes, air warfare, mechanized ground operations, and surface naval maneuvers.

They are getting very bold now, aren't they. The Chinese are not going to defeat us if they invade Taiwan ( which they are planning to do ), Rightwinger. The Chinese have already been promised by the Russians that if the USA interferes they will attack us with a nuclear strike and then wage an invasion which the Chinese are going to "join them in" along with the Cubans, the Nicaraguans & by all appearances now Guatamala fighters, El Salvador and Honduras. That is not counting the Russian troops inside the USA right now, the Arab or Iranian sleeper cells who will join or the rest of the communists they have rallied to assist them in defeating America. Would that defeat America? Where are our troops anyhow? They are mainly overseas. We have a lot of foreign troops here now. Ever wonder about that? We are wide open for an attack. ** Note - forget China's submarines - Russian Akula Class II Submarines cannot be detected by our Navy which is why they have declassified some of their work now. It is useless. The Russians had their subs off the coast of Texas for a month last June / July and Congress wanted to know why we could not detect their presence. The reason? We were not able. There were 2 more off the east coast and one within listening distance to one of our main bases during superstorm sandy. Wide open? Yes, we are.

 

[rightwinger]

China thinks it can defeat America in battle - The Week

The bad news first. The People's Republic of China now believes it can successfully prevent the United States from intervening in the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan or some other military assault by Beijing.

Now the good news. China is wrong — and for one major reason. It apparently disregards the decisive power of America's nuclear-powered submarines.
Moreover, for economic and demographic reasons Beijing has a narrow historical window in which to use its military to alter the world's power structure. If China doesn't make a major military move in the next couple decades, it probably never will.

Fortunately for that liberal order, America possesses by far the world's most powerful submarine force — one poised to quickly sink any Chinese invasion fleet. In announcing its readiness to hold off the U.S. military, the PLA seems to have ignored Washington's huge undersea advantage.

The Navy has 74 submarines, 60 of which are attack or missile submarines optimized for finding and sinking other ships or blasting land targets. The balance is ballistic-missile boats that carry nuclear missiles and would not routinely participate in military campaigns short of an atomic World War III.

America's eight-at-a-time submarine picket in or near Chinese waters could be equally destructive to Chinese military plans, especially considering the PLA's limited anti-submarine skills. "Although China might control the surface of the sea around Taiwan, its ability to find and sink U.S. submarines will be extremely limited for the foreseeable future," Cliff testified. "Those submarines would likely be able to intercept and sink Chinese amphibious transports as they transited toward Taiwan."

In practical military terms, that means the Pentagon can more or less ignore most of China's military capabilities, including those that appear to threaten traditional U.S. advantages in nukes, air warfare, mechanized ground operations, and surface naval maneuvers.

So....how do those subs intercept these?

Which drop these...

Which are supported by these...

Use one of these

 

[westwall]

China thinks it can defeat America in battle - The Week

The bad news first. The People's Republic of China now believes it can successfully prevent the United States from intervening in the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan or some other military assault by Beijing.

Now the good news. China is wrong — and for one major reason. It apparently disregards the decisive power of America's nuclear-powered submarines.
Moreover, for economic and demographic reasons Beijing has a narrow historical window in which to use its military to alter the world's power structure. If China doesn't make a major military move in the next couple decades, it probably never will.

Fortunately for that liberal order, America possesses by far the world's most powerful submarine force — one poised to quickly sink any Chinese invasion fleet. In announcing its readiness to hold off the U.S. military, the PLA seems to have ignored Washington's huge undersea advantage.

The Navy has 74 submarines, 60 of which are attack or missile submarines optimized for finding and sinking other ships or blasting land targets. The balance is ballistic-missile boats that carry nuclear missiles and would not routinely participate in military campaigns short of an atomic World War III.

America's eight-at-a-time submarine picket in or near Chinese waters could be equally destructive to Chinese military plans, especially considering the PLA's limited anti-submarine skills. "Although China might control the surface of the sea around Taiwan, its ability to find and sink U.S. submarines will be extremely limited for the foreseeable future," Cliff testified. "Those submarines would likely be able to intercept and sink Chinese amphibious transports as they transited toward Taiwan."

In practical military terms, that means the Pentagon can more or less ignore most of China's military capabilities, including those that appear to threaten traditional U.S. advantages in nukes, air warfare, mechanized ground operations, and surface naval maneuvers.

So....how do those subs intercept these?

Which drop these...

Which are supported by these...

Use one of these

Those missiles are not mounted on SUBMARINES. Try again silly person.

 

[rightwinger]

So....how do those subs intercept these?

Which drop these...

Which are supported by these...

Use one of these

Those missiles are not mounted on SUBMARINES. Try again silly person.

Yea....but Taiwan sure has a shitload of em

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Bow