Why Can't The USA Be Invaded By Red China Or Anyother Nation?

[Munin]

The Brittish empire couldn't fall either ... it did. The titanic couldn't sink ... it did.

Any Nation can be invaded, even the US. China has now the 2nd biggeste economy in the world, who knows how big and strong their fleet will become in the next 10 years?


The comparison between the USA and China reminds me of another comparison, the one between the USA and the Brittish empire. Don't forget that the US was also in an underdog position as the "former little colony" of the UK.

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Also consider the real big threat: China's production power wil be greater than that of the US, cheap workers, cheap production, ... They will be able to outproduce the US when they have the bigger economy. You know why the US won WWII? Not because it had the best tanks, ... : they won because they outproduced the Nazis even though the Nazis had the best tanks and more experienced troops. The allies also won because of the manpower advantage, at the end of WWII the germans were only fighting with kids, women and old men. China has the biggest manpower pool out of the whole world, so they will be the last one to run out of soldiers.

 

[KissMy]

They could use their satellite missiles to take down our ability to see them, communicate & control weapons. Then launch a couple of EMP bombs 100 miles over the USA to destroy all of our electronics & our power grid. Most of our country would be reduced to communicating with smoke signals, walking or riding bikes. Launch missiles onto all of our military installations. Then proceed with their invasion. Take over all oil, water, gas, power & communications grids. Most of this country would fold like a cheap suit. China has a huge manufacturing base that they could use to rapidly make weapons to keep the battle going. They also have 3 times more people to use for soldiers.

Armed citizens are a great defense. That is why we have not invaded Pakistan.

 

[Douger]

They don't need to. You've already been invaded by Internationalist Nazi's. Don't you read the news ? Take a look at your piece of shit govt. The funny part is you assholes actually voted for it.

 

[Sarah G]

There is no way they could take us by surprise. It would take bit of transportation that Russia has to get enough troops to force a landing, And we would take out at least half before they even got here. This isn't 1945. We have eyes everywhere.

And China's Navy couldn't take Hawaii.

Also, they'd have to use nuclear weapons, that would destroy the very thing they'd be looking for in an ivasion of the US. Land and resources.

Imo, which may be naive, it makes sense for the world to begin working together in an effort to make it a better place for everyone. I'm sure world leaders have thought of this concept. Riches begin to get less important when there is nothing left to buy.

 

[Mini 14]

I agree that our geography would make an invasion extremely difficult. Though even with all of the privately owned weapons, I'm not sure China doesn't have a large enough population to overcome the resistance. We should thank God for putting the Pacific where he did

But.....

An EMP attack.....

and sit back and wait for us to die and kill ourselves off, then walk across I-10 and plant their flag as they go.

An attack on the US would target the infrastructure to create chaos, isolation and division. The ensuing "invasion" would be more like a parade than a war. Even a very small country with as few as 3-4 nuclear weapons (and more importantly, the capability to deliver them) could bring us to our knees in a very short period of time.

 

[LogicMoose]

Why Can't The USA Be Invaded By Red China Or Anyother Nation?

After all, It was our former enemy Isoruko Yamamato who once said "If we were to attempt to invade The United States, There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.".

Excellent quote.
In great defense of the 2nd amendment.

The only possible way I would see to invade America would be to get some crazy good hackers to take over our own stuff and use it against us.
And that's only because our military is becoming reliant on tech.

 

[rightwinger]

Aside from the fact that we can nuke the shit out of anyone.....

The problem is logistics. It took a thousand ships to launch D Day and that was only fifty miles of sea. We are surrounded by over two thousand miles on each side. Even if you could land an invasion force, you couldn't sustain it logistically.

Nobody has the Navy to launch such an invasion.....and then there is the problem with the US Fleet and Air Force

Armed civilians have nothing to do with it

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Why Can't The USA Be Invaded By Red China Or Anyother Nation?

Winger, You keep saying that "US can't be invaded". I tend to lean more towards that assumption, but let's discuss it anyway because it's an interesting subject.

We all know the resistance anyone who invaded America would face just by the armed citizens alone would be a force to rekon with. After all, It was our former enemy Isoruko Yamamato who once said "If we were to attempt to invade The United States, There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.".

However, As far as the success of an initial invasion, why is that not possible if other Nations assisted China? Like say Russia? Or maybe Mexico assisting and allowing them to invade from the South? After all, We took our Navy all the way to an Island of the coast of Europe, and managed to land and conquer Nazi Germany even though we were 3156 miles away? Any opinions? ~BH

The quality of the American soldiers would be one factor. Mexico would be a non factor in no time as they wouldn't even be comparable to the Italian soldier of WW-2. They would just fail to be significant. Russia and china would be tougher. They probably have excellent counter measures to our technology and have trained for years to slug it out with us. I would think Canada would help us out as well as England. Would defiantly be a slug fest.

 

[rightwinger]

There is no way they could take us by surprise. It would take bit of transportation that Russia has to get enough troops to force a landing, And we would take out at least half before they even got here. This isn't 1945. We have eyes everywhere.

And China's Navy couldn't take Hawaii.

Chinas Navy couldn't take Taiwan

 

[HUGGY]

Why Can't The USA Be Invaded By Red China Or Anyother Nation?

Winger, You keep saying that "US can't be invaded". I tend to lean more towards that assumption, but let's discuss it anyway because it's an interesting subject.

We all know the resistance anyone who invaded America would face just by the armed citizens alone would be a force to rekon with. After all, It was our former enemy Isoruko Yamamato who once said "If we were to attempt to invade The United States, There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.".

However, As far as the success of an initial invasion, why is that not possible if other Nations assisted China? Like say Russia? Or maybe Mexico assisting and allowing them to invade from the South? After all, We took our Navy all the way to an Island of the coast of Europe, and managed to land and conquer Nazi Germany even though we were 3156 miles away? Any opinions? ~BH

We already have been invaded by China. They have us paying tribute through Walmart.

 

[Mini 14]

All of this is moot.

"Conventional warfare" is a dinosaur, whose only continued purpose is occupation.

And having the capability to "nuke the shit out of anyone" does not mean there aren't 50 countries/organizations around the world who have, or will soon have the capability to bring us to our knees without ever setting foot anywhere near our shores.

In the future, ALL wars that are fought to win will attack infrastructures, and not the armies or the citizens. And there are VERY few countries on the face of this planet more vulnerable to that type of attack than the USA.

True story, bro.

 

[LogicMoose]

The Brittish empire couldn't fall either ... it did. The titanic couldn't sink ... it did.

Any Nation can be invaded, even the US. China has now the 2nd biggeste economy in the world, who knows how big and strong their fleet will become in the next 10 years?


The comparison between the USA and China reminds me of another comparison, the one between the USA and the Brittish empire. Don't forget that the US was also in an underdog position as the "former little colony" of the UK.






Also consider the real big threat: China's production power wil be greater than that of the US, cheap workers, cheap production, ... They will be able to outproduce the US when they have the bigger economy. You know why the US won WWII? Not because it had the best tanks, ... : they won because they outproduced the Nazis even though the Nazis had the best tanks and more experienced troops. The allies also won because of the manpower advantage, at the end of WWII the germans were only fighting with kids, women and old men. China has the biggest manpower pool out of the whole world, so they will be the last one to run out of soldiers.

Quite a scary statistic there.
Somebody beating America in something???
Good to see it on a chart though. Just means we've got to pick up the pace here.

 

[rightwinger]

All of this is moot.

"Conventional warfare" is a dinosaur, whose only continued purpose is occupation.

And having the capability to "nuke the shit out of anyone" does not mean there aren't 50 countries/organizations around the world who have, or will soon have the capability to bring us to our knees without ever setting foot anywhere near our shores.

In the future, ALL wars that are fought to win will attack infrastructures, and not the armies or the citizens. And there are VERY few countries on the face of this planet more vulnerable to that type of attack than the USA.

True story, bro.

A computer virus or worm would be an interesting strategy. But the logistics of physically invading and occupying the US would be formidable

 

[Mini 14]

All of this is moot.

"Conventional warfare" is a dinosaur, whose only continued purpose is occupation.

And having the capability to "nuke the shit out of anyone" does not mean there aren't 50 countries/organizations around the world who have, or will soon have the capability to bring us to our knees without ever setting foot anywhere near our shores.

In the future, ALL wars that are fought to win will attack infrastructures, and not the armies or the citizens. And there are VERY few countries on the face of this planet more vulnerable to that type of attack than the USA.

True story, bro.

A computer virus or worm would be an interesting strategy. But the logistics of physically invading and occupying the US would be formidable

Conventionally speaking, it is a long row to hoe.

But the next attack on the US will be on our infrastructure, and whoever the attacker is will then sit back and wait for us to die off slowly, kill off half of those who survive, and then march down main street as they claim their spoils.

"War" as we know it is fading quickly, returning to what it was all along:

Winner take all....no rules.

It is only a question of when the "superpowers" acquiesce to the reality of war, and stop pretending there is a "humane" way to wage war.

The number of organizations out there with the capability of destroying countries the size of the US, China and Russia is scary stuff. And with very little ordinance at all. The difficult task now is delivering that ordinance. Thankfully, that is the big hurdle that few of those organizations are able to easily clear.

But to take down the US?

As few as 5-6 strategically placed detonations could accomplish it.

We would do the rest for them.

 

[KissMy]

A computer virus or worm would be an interesting strategy. But the logistics of physically invading and occupying the US would be formidable

An EMP will permanently destroy most electronics & the power grid. A HAARP type weapon can also create this type of destruction & a whole lot more. These weapons would take any country & their military back to the stone ages. Some of the old pre-electronics diesel vehicles could be repaired after an attack, but getting fuel through pipelines & out of station pumps will be a problem.

www.doh.wa.gov Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP)

A 1.4 Megaton bomb launched about 250 miles above Kansas would destroy most of the electronics that were not protected in the entire Continental United States. During the brief return to atmospheric testing in 1962, a 1.4 megaton nuclear weapon was detonated over Johnston Island at an altitude of about 250 miles. The effects of EMP were observed in Hawaii, 800 miles east of the detonation. Streetlights and fuses failed on Oahu and telephone service was disrupted on the Island of Kauai.

 

[Munin]

Armed citizens are a great defense.

Tell that to the native indians, ... and all the other tribes of armed citizens that were blown away by the british/french/spanish/portugese colonization.

Their main defence was armed militia/tribes. Militia don't win wars, armies with advanced equipment do. The germans rolled over almost every country in Europe with their tanks, do you really believe that armed militia could ve stopped them?

Warfare is for state equiped armies, not for militia.

That is why we have not invaded Pakistan.

We ve not invaded Pakistan yet because we currently give them huge amounts of money and because officially we call them our "allies". Not because of "armed militia"

 

[Mini 14]

Armed citizens are a great defense. That is why we have not invaded Pakistan.

Tell that to the native indians, ... and all the other tribes of armed citizens that were blown away by the british/french/spanish/portugese colonization. And no, we ve not invade Pakistan because we currently give them money. And because officially we call them our "allies". Not because of "armed militia"

Their main defence was armed militia/tribes. Militia don't win wars, armies with advanced equipment do. The germans rolled over almost every country in Europe with their tanks, do you really believe that armed militia could ve stopped them?

Modern warfare is for state equiped armies, not for militia.

You're not familiar with EMP?

The next "major war" will not target humans directly. It will target those things we have taught ourselves we "cannot live without." An effective EMP attack (or HAARP, as pointed out above) would result in about 1/3 of the US population dying within 6 months, the remaining 2/3 left to fight amongst themselves for survival. Absolute chaos, and nationalized anarchy. We would annihilate ourselves for the attacking force. Sure, we might have the ability to nuke them into oblivion as well (if we can react quickly enough), but it wouldn't save us from ourselves. Eventually, someone will take that bet. Many are already franticly working towards that opportunity.

"Modern warfare" is for anyone with a true desire to win a war, at all costs, and a handful of WMDs with the capability of delivering them. Other than the WMDs, "modern warfare" has come full circle to the first war ever fought: defeat the enemy at any cost, there are no rules, no treaties, no "collateral damage." All is fair.

The domino effect is the wave of modern warfare.

 

[KissMy]

Armed citizens are a great defense.

Tell that to the native indians, ... and all the other tribes of armed citizens that were blown away by the british/french/spanish/portugese colonization.

Their main defence was armed militia/tribes. Militia don't win wars, armies with advanced equipment do. The germans rolled over almost every country in Europe with their tanks, do you really believe that armed militia could ve stopped them?

Warfare is for state equiped armies, not for militia.

That is why we have not invaded Pakistan.

We ve not invaded Pakistan yet because we currently give them huge amounts of money and because officially we call them our "allies". Not because of "armed militia"

Yeah - Those Russian & American armies really showed Afghanistan. Even Iraq is difficult to hold. When every household is possibly part of the militia, invaders must win hearts & minds or exterminate everyone with extreme prejudice.

 

[KissMy]

Armed citizens are a great defense. That is why we have not invaded Pakistan.

Tell that to the native indians, ... and all the other tribes of armed citizens that were blown away by the british/french/spanish/portugese colonization. And no, we ve not invade Pakistan because we currently give them money. And because officially we call them our "allies". Not because of "armed militia"

Their main defence was armed militia/tribes. Militia don't win wars, armies with advanced equipment do. The germans rolled over almost every country in Europe with their tanks, do you really believe that armed militia could ve stopped them?

Modern warfare is for state equiped armies, not for militia.

You're not familiar with EMP?

The next "major war" will not target humans directly. It will target those things we have taught ourselves we "cannot live without." An effective EMP attack (or HAARP, as pointed out above) would result in about 1/3 of the US population dying within 6 months, the remaining 2/3 left to fight amongst themselves for survival. Absolute chaos, and nationalized anarchy. We would annihilate ourselves for the attacking force. Sure, we might have the ability to nuke them into oblivion as well (if we can react quickly enough), but it wouldn't save us from ourselves. Eventually, someone will take that bet. Many are already franticly working towards that opportunity.

"Modern warfare" is for anyone with a true desire to win a war, at all costs, and a handful of WMDs with the capability of delivering them. Other than the WMDs, "modern warfare" has come full circle to the first war ever fought: defeat the enemy at any cost, there are no rules, no treaties, no "collateral damage." All is fair.

The domino effect is the wave of modern warfare.

Yup - Except for the flooding the entire country would resemble New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. Absolutely no utilities, communications, transportation, food or water. Your weapons are going to be your best defense.

 

[Mini 14]

Yup - Except for the flooding the entire country would resemble New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. Absolutely no utilities, communications, transportation, food or water. Your weapons are going to be your best defense.

And the ultimate irony is that you will be using your weapons to defend yourself from your fellow countrymen, not the attacker.