Why Bernie Sanders concerns me.

First, I would never follow a leader that looks homeless. It just can't be. But put that aside.

Bernie insists he wants to concentrate on the issues and that's why he won't talk about his opponents. Wow, sounds good. Sounds moral. Only it's a crock of shit. It may work in the Democratic Primary, but you have to remember, in the general election, you will be dealing with the worst America has to offer, Republicans.

Republicans have spent tens of millions just during the Clinton Administration trying to find "something" and all they got was a blow job. Sure, there was an impeachment. A political stunt that never got farther than the house. Most reports put the cost just over 40 million. How much have they spent of tax payer money on going after the Obama Administration? Wanna bet, after it's all said and sifted, it will turn out to be over 200 million? The original cost of the Iraq war? Republicans want to run the country their way. They don't care if it hurts the country. Worse, the GOP base has no idea what their leaders are doing, even more worse, they don't care.

And it will only make Hillary stronger. The woman who took on the entire GOP ---- and WON! I can imagine her right now be called to testify and saying, well, Colin Powell had private email and George Bush had a private server during his entire 8 years of his administration. Well, not the entire 8 years. As soon as the case of outing a covert CIA agent that spoke out about GOP lies became public, the server was wiped and destroyed. Oops.

Now, I don't know anything at all about Bernie's private life, but if he is a slob now, I suspect he's always been a slob and that's why he doesn't want anyone to question his past. But they may not even have to. Bernie has described himself as a "socialist". The most basic definition of socialism is the government controlling production. Something that is absolutely anti American. Against everything the free market stands for. The government stepping in and stopping business from fleecing the American public, something Republicans totally support, or stepping in to keep necessary business from dying, like auto companies or helping with research is NOT government controlling production. What ever Republicans will have you believe.

You can't just "redistribute wealth". It's not possible. Money is taking something that has no real value and assigning it a value so it can be traded for things that actually have value. So much easier than trading two chickens and some apples for a pair of shoes. Spreading it around unearned reduces it to no value at all.

What we need to do is instead of just spending research money on new "stuff", we need to do some research on the kind of jobs needed by our society in this century. Some things are a given, whether it's being a plumber or being a scientist, you need education. No more 6th grade education is enough. We know there are over 5 million jobs open right now. Good jobs. What is being done to get people ready for them? Nothing. It has to be targeted. Just making education cheaper isn't enough.

Unfortunately, that's Bernie Sander's message. Socialist, redistribution of wealth, cheaper education and so on. Those are slogans, not serious policy. And that's why I think he may not make it past the GOP. And I wonder what they dig up on him.

The worst possible outcome is the GOP winning again and being worse than George Bush. Could you imagine worse than George Bush? A scary thought indeed.
I think it's pretty lame you would judge Bernie as a president based upon his appearance. Secondly, nothing Bernie is proposing has anything to do with the "redistribution of wealth".

I will agree that him becoming the nominee makes me nervous. It really could cost the democrats the election. The idea of another republican president being elected at a time when both the country and the world are in a very fragile state is nothing short of a dystopian scenario.





This is derpy you're talking too you know. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Bernie is a good man who dresses cheaply. Why anyone would have a problem with that is beyond me. But derpy has always been more form over substance anyway so for him it's just par for the course.
 
First, I would never follow a leader that looks homeless. It just can't be. But put that aside.

Bernie insists he wants to concentrate on the issues and that's why he won't talk about his opponents. Wow, sounds good. Sounds moral. Only it's a crock of shit. It may work in the Democratic Primary, but you have to remember, in the general election, you will be dealing with the worst America has to offer, Republicans.

Republicans have spent tens of millions just during the Clinton Administration trying to find "something" and all they got was a blow job. Sure, there was an impeachment. A political stunt that never got farther than the house. Most reports put the cost just over 40 million. How much have they spent of tax payer money on going after the Obama Administration? Wanna bet, after it's all said and sifted, it will turn out to be over 200 million? The original cost of the Iraq war? Republicans want to run the country their way. They don't care if it hurts the country. Worse, the GOP base has no idea what their leaders are doing, even more worse, they don't care.

And it will only make Hillary stronger. The woman who took on the entire GOP ---- and WON! I can imagine her right now be called to testify and saying, well, Colin Powell had private email and George Bush had a private server during his entire 8 years of his administration. Well, not the entire 8 years. As soon as the case of outing a covert CIA agent that spoke out about GOP lies became public, the server was wiped and destroyed. Oops.

Now, I don't know anything at all about Bernie's private life, but if he is a slob now, I suspect he's always been a slob and that's why he doesn't want anyone to question his past. But they may not even have to. Bernie has described himself as a "socialist". The most basic definition of socialism is the government controlling production. Something that is absolutely anti American. Against everything the free market stands for. The government stepping in and stopping business from fleecing the American public, something Republicans totally support, or stepping in to keep necessary business from dying, like auto companies or helping with research is NOT government controlling production. What ever Republicans will have you believe.

You can't just "redistribute wealth". It's not possible. Money is taking something that has no real value and assigning it a value so it can be traded for things that actually have value. So much easier than trading two chickens and some apples for a pair of shoes. Spreading it around unearned reduces it to no value at all.

What we need to do is instead of just spending research money on new "stuff", we need to do some research on the kind of jobs needed by our society in this century. Some things are a given, whether it's being a plumber or being a scientist, you need education. No more 6th grade education is enough. We know there are over 5 million jobs open right now. Good jobs. What is being done to get people ready for them? Nothing. It has to be targeted. Just making education cheaper isn't enough.

Unfortunately, that's Bernie Sander's message. Socialist, redistribution of wealth, cheaper education and so on. Those are slogans, not serious policy. And that's why I think he may not make it past the GOP. And I wonder what they dig up on him.

The worst possible outcome is the GOP winning again and being worse than George Bush. Could you imagine worse than George Bush? A scary thought indeed.


I agree with some of what you say.

Sanders cannot win an election. He'll get mauled. No matter if you agree with what he says or not, you shouldn't vote for him. A vote for Sanders is a vote for a Republican president. I don't like Clinton, I prefer Sanders, yes, he looks unlike other politicians.
Again, unfortunately to be president you have to look GOOD.

Herd mentality ^^. That's part of the problem. A BIG part.

Again -- the office is Chief Executive. It's not Store Mannequin.

Which is probably why Barry is struggling so mightily? :badgrin::badgrin::badgrin:
 
First, I would never follow a leader that looks homeless. It just can't be. But put that aside.

Bernie insists he wants to concentrate on the issues and that's why he won't talk about his opponents. Wow, sounds good. Sounds moral. Only it's a crock of shit. It may work in the Democratic Primary, but you have to remember, in the general election, you will be dealing with the worst America has to offer, Republicans.

Republicans have spent tens of millions just during the Clinton Administration trying to find "something" and all they got was a blow job. Sure, there was an impeachment. A political stunt that never got farther than the house. Most reports put the cost just over 40 million. How much have they spent of tax payer money on going after the Obama Administration? Wanna bet, after it's all said and sifted, it will turn out to be over 200 million? The original cost of the Iraq war? Republicans want to run the country their way. They don't care if it hurts the country. Worse, the GOP base has no idea what their leaders are doing, even more worse, they don't care.

And it will only make Hillary stronger. The woman who took on the entire GOP ---- and WON! I can imagine her right now be called to testify and saying, well, Colin Powell had private email and George Bush had a private server during his entire 8 years of his administration. Well, not the entire 8 years. As soon as the case of outing a covert CIA agent that spoke out about GOP lies became public, the server was wiped and destroyed. Oops.

Now, I don't know anything at all about Bernie's private life, but if he is a slob now, I suspect he's always been a slob and that's why he doesn't want anyone to question his past. But they may not even have to. Bernie has described himself as a "socialist". The most basic definition of socialism is the government controlling production. Something that is absolutely anti American. Against everything the free market stands for. The government stepping in and stopping business from fleecing the American public, something Republicans totally support, or stepping in to keep necessary business from dying, like auto companies or helping with research is NOT government controlling production. What ever Republicans will have you believe.

You can't just "redistribute wealth". It's not possible. Money is taking something that has no real value and assigning it a value so it can be traded for things that actually have value. So much easier than trading two chickens and some apples for a pair of shoes. Spreading it around unearned reduces it to no value at all.

What we need to do is instead of just spending research money on new "stuff", we need to do some research on the kind of jobs needed by our society in this century. Some things are a given, whether it'
being a plumber or being a scientist, you need education. No more 6th grade education is enough. We know there are over 5 million jobs open right now. Good jobs. What is being done to get people ready for them? Nothing. It has to be targeted. Just making education cheaper isn't enough.

Unfortunately, that's Bernie Sander's message. Socialist, redistribution of wealth, cheaper education and so on. Those are slogans, not serious policy. And that's why I think he may not make it past the GOP. And I wonder what they dig up on him.

The worst possible outcome is the GOP winning again and being worse than George Bush. Could you imagine worse than George Bush? A scary thought indeed.

Well first off, if you're making candidate decisions based on what they look like, hate to tell you this but you're part of the problem. Of all the reasons to vote or not vote for somebody -- curly hair? Really?

Segundo, you seem to be blaming the victim -- if Sanders (or anyone) is a potential target of Low Road politics, that's on them -- not the target. If you're selecting somebody out based on his refusal to take the low road, then once again you're part of the problem.

Third:
The most basic definition of socialism is the government controlling production. Something that is absolutely anti American. Against everything the free market stands for.

Strawman. It's not at all a definition of socialism, nor did Sanders run Burlington that way. And it's in no way "anti American" or "against everything the free market stands for". The fact is corporations exist at the pleasure of We the People, and they follow our rules -- not the other way around. That means the People, via the government, have a regulatory role. Absent that we'd have a Corporatocracy, which we in effect already do since We haven't been standing up for ourselves.

And fourth, the doomsday melodrama scenaria you list could be refuted --- except you've already done that in your closing: "Slogans, not serious policy". More strawmen, that knock themselves down.

I dunno, this seems in so many words to be a wistful yearning for More of the Same Old Thing: Division, pandering, demagoguery, dirty politics. Knock yerself out but some of us have had enough of that.
Full Definition of SOCIALISM
1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

Shut up.
 
First, I would never follow a leader that looks homeless. It just can't be. But put that aside.

Bernie insists he wants to concentrate on the issues and that's why he won't talk about his opponents. Wow, sounds good. Sounds moral. Only it's a crock of shit. It may work in the Democratic Primary, but you have to remember, in the general election, you will be dealing with the worst America has to offer, Republicans.

Republicans have spent tens of millions just during the Clinton Administration trying to find "something" and all they got was a blow job. Sure, there was an impeachment. A political stunt that never got farther than the house. Most reports put the cost just over 40 million. How much have they spent of tax payer money on going after the Obama Administration? Wanna bet, after it's all said and sifted, it will turn out to be over 200 million? The original cost of the Iraq war? Republicans want to run the country their way. They don't care if it hurts the country. Worse, the GOP base has no idea what their leaders are doing, even more worse, they don't care.

And it will only make Hillary stronger. The woman who took on the entire GOP ---- and WON! I can imagine her right now be called to testify and saying, well, Colin Powell had private email and George Bush had a private server during his entire 8 years of his administration. Well, not the entire 8 years. As soon as the case of outing a covert CIA agent that spoke out about GOP lies became public, the server was wiped and destroyed. Oops.

Now, I don't know anything at all about Bernie's private life, but if he is a slob now, I suspect he's always been a slob and that's why he doesn't want anyone to question his past. But they may not even have to. Bernie has described himself as a "socialist". The most basic definition of socialism is the government controlling production. Something that is absolutely anti American. Against everything the free market stands for. The government stepping in and stopping business from fleecing the American public, something Republicans totally support, or stepping in to keep necessary business from dying, like auto companies or helping with research is NOT government controlling production. What ever Republicans will have you believe.

You can't just "redistribute wealth". It's not possible. Money is taking something that has no real value and assigning it a value so it can be traded for things that actually have value. So much easier than trading two chickens and some apples for a pair of shoes. Spreading it around unearned reduces it to no value at all.

What we need to do is instead of just spending research money on new "stuff", we need to do some research on the kind of jobs needed by our society in this century. Some things are a given, whether it'
being a plumber or being a scientist, you need education. No more 6th grade education is enough. We know there are over 5 million jobs open right now. Good jobs. What is being done to get people ready for them? Nothing. It has to be targeted. Just making education cheaper isn't enough.

Unfortunately, that's Bernie Sander's message. Socialist, redistribution of wealth, cheaper education and so on. Those are slogans, not serious policy. And that's why I think he may not make it past the GOP. And I wonder what they dig up on him.

The worst possible outcome is the GOP winning again and being worse than George Bush. Could you imagine worse than George Bush? A scary thought indeed.

Well first off, if you're making candidate decisions based on what they look like, hate to tell you this but you're part of the problem. Of all the reasons to vote or not vote for somebody -- curly hair? Really?

Segundo, you seem to be blaming the victim -- if Sanders (or anyone) is a potential target of Low Road politics, that's on them -- not the target. If you're selecting somebody out based on his refusal to take the low road, then once again you're part of the problem.

Third:
The most basic definition of socialism is the government controlling production. Something that is absolutely anti American. Against everything the free market stands for.

Strawman. It's not at all a definition of socialism, nor did Sanders run Burlington that way. And it's in no way "anti American" or "against everything the free market stands for". The fact is corporations exist at the pleasure of We the People, and they follow our rules -- not the other way around. That means the People, via the government, have a regulatory role. Absent that we'd have a Corporatocracy, which we in effect already do since We haven't been standing up for ourselves.

And fourth, the doomsday melodrama scenaria you list could be refuted --- except you've already done that in your closing: "Slogans, not serious policy". More strawmen, that knock themselves down.

I dunno, this seems in so many words to be a wistful yearning for More of the Same Old Thing: Division, pandering, demagoguery, dirty politics. Knock yerself out but some of us have had enough of that.
Damn Pogo. I agree with you on a few points. Bernie looks clean in public and has never taken the low road in running for elections that I know of.

So rdums reasons sound like just good old fashion bigotry. Granted the guys old but that's no reason NOT to like him. He is your average blue collar democrat. No criminal history or drinking or drugging. Just work and raise a family. Yet rdum hates him for his clothes?
We don't really know anything about his background. Bush was a criminal and lied about being convicted. Romney was so out of touch, he thought his many sons helping his presidential campaign was more important than serving in a war he supported, Iraq. Backgrounds matter.
 
First, I would never follow a leader that looks homeless. It just can't be. But put that aside.

Bernie insists he wants to concentrate on the issues and that's why he won't talk about his opponents. Wow, sounds good. Sounds moral. Only it's a crock of shit. It may work in the Democratic Primary, but you have to remember, in the general election, you will be dealing with the worst America has to offer, Republicans.

Republicans have spent tens of millions just during the Clinton Administration trying to find "something" and all they got was a blow job. Sure, there was an impeachment. A political stunt that never got farther than the house. Most reports put the cost just over 40 million. How much have they spent of tax payer money on going after the Obama Administration? Wanna bet, after it's all said and sifted, it will turn out to be over 200 million? The original cost of the Iraq war? Republicans want to run the country their way. They don't care if it hurts the country. Worse, the GOP base has no idea what their leaders are doing, even more worse, they don't care.

And it will only make Hillary stronger. The woman who took on the entire GOP ---- and WON! I can imagine her right now be called to testify and saying, well, Colin Powell had private email and George Bush had a private server during his entire 8 years of his administration. Well, not the entire 8 years. As soon as the case of outing a covert CIA agent that spoke out about GOP lies became public, the server was wiped and destroyed. Oops.

Now, I don't know anything at all about Bernie's private life, but if he is a slob now, I suspect he's always been a slob and that's why he doesn't want anyone to question his past. But they may not even have to. Bernie has described himself as a "socialist". The most basic definition of socialism is the government controlling production. Something that is absolutely anti American. Against everything the free market stands for. The government stepping in and stopping business from fleecing the American public, something Republicans totally support, or stepping in to keep necessary business from dying, like auto companies or helping with research is NOT government controlling production. What ever Republicans will have you believe.

You can't just "redistribute wealth". It's not possible. Money is taking something that has no real value and assigning it a value so it can be traded for things that actually have value. So much easier than trading two chickens and some apples for a pair of shoes. Spreading it around unearned reduces it to no value at all.

What we need to do is instead of just spending research money on new "stuff", we need to do some research on the kind of jobs needed by our society in this century. Some things are a given, whether it's being a plumber or being a scientist, you need education. No more 6th grade education is enough. We know there are over 5 million jobs open right now. Good jobs. What is being done to get people ready for them? Nothing. It has to be targeted. Just making education cheaper isn't enough.

Unfortunately, that's Bernie Sander's message. Socialist, redistribution of wealth, cheaper education and so on. Those are slogans, not serious policy. And that's why I think he may not make it past the GOP. And I wonder what they dig up on him.

The worst possible outcome is the GOP winning again and being worse than George Bush. Could you imagine worse than George Bush? A scary thought indeed.


I agree with some of what you say.

Sanders cannot win an election. He'll get mauled. No matter if you agree with what he says or not, you shouldn't vote for him. A vote for Sanders is a vote for a Republican president. I don't like Clinton, I prefer Sanders, yes, he looks unlike other politicians.
Again, unfortunately to be president you have to look GOOD.

Herd mentality ^^. That's part of the problem. A BIG part.

Again -- the office is Chief Executive. It's not Store Mannequin.

Which is probably why Barry is struggling so mightily? :badgrin::badgrin::badgrin:
Only he's not. Why say something obviously untrue? I bet you thought Bush did a great job.
 
First, I would never follow a leader that looks homeless. It just can't be. But put that aside.

Bernie insists he wants to concentrate on the issues and that's why he won't talk about his opponents. Wow, sounds good. Sounds moral. Only it's a crock of shit. It may work in the Democratic Primary, but you have to remember, in the general election, you will be dealing with the worst America has to offer, Republicans.

Republicans have spent tens of millions just during the Clinton Administration trying to find "something" and all they got was a blow job. Sure, there was an impeachment. A political stunt that never got farther than the house. Most reports put the cost just over 40 million. How much have they spent of tax payer money on going after the Obama Administration? Wanna bet, after it's all said and sifted, it will turn out to be over 200 million? The original cost of the Iraq war? Republicans want to run the country their way. They don't care if it hurts the country. Worse, the GOP base has no idea what their leaders are doing, even more worse, they don't care.

And it will only make Hillary stronger. The woman who took on the entire GOP ---- and WON! I can imagine her right now be called to testify and saying, well, Colin Powell had private email and George Bush had a private server during his entire 8 years of his administration. Well, not the entire 8 years. As soon as the case of outing a covert CIA agent that spoke out about GOP lies became public, the server was wiped and destroyed. Oops.

Now, I don't know anything at all about Bernie's private life, but if he is a slob now, I suspect he's always been a slob and that's why he doesn't want anyone to question his past. But they may not even have to. Bernie has described himself as a "socialist". The most basic definition of socialism is the government controlling production. Something that is absolutely anti American. Against everything the free market stands for. The government stepping in and stopping business from fleecing the American public, something Republicans totally support, or stepping in to keep necessary business from dying, like auto companies or helping with research is NOT government controlling production. What ever Republicans will have you believe.

You can't just "redistribute wealth". It's not possible. Money is taking something that has no real value and assigning it a value so it can be traded for things that actually have value. So much easier than trading two chickens and some apples for a pair of shoes. Spreading it around unearned reduces it to no value at all.

What we need to do is instead of just spending research money on new "stuff", we need to do some research on the kind of jobs needed by our society in this century. Some things are a given, whether it'
being a plumber or being a scientist, you need education. No more 6th grade education is enough. We know there are over 5 million jobs open right now. Good jobs. What is being done to get people ready for them? Nothing. It has to be targeted. Just making education cheaper isn't enough.

Unfortunately, that's Bernie Sander's message. Socialist, redistribution of wealth, cheaper education and so on. Those are slogans, not serious policy. And that's why I think he may not make it past the GOP. And I wonder what they dig up on him.

The worst possible outcome is the GOP winning again and being worse than George Bush. Could you imagine worse than George Bush? A scary thought indeed.

Well first off, if you're making candidate decisions based on what they look like, hate to tell you this but you're part of the problem. Of all the reasons to vote or not vote for somebody -- curly hair? Really?

Segundo, you seem to be blaming the victim -- if Sanders (or anyone) is a potential target of Low Road politics, that's on them -- not the target. If you're selecting somebody out based on his refusal to take the low road, then once again you're part of the problem.

Third:
The most basic definition of socialism is the government controlling production. Something that is absolutely anti American. Against everything the free market stands for.

Strawman. It's not at all a definition of socialism, nor did Sanders run Burlington that way. And it's in no way "anti American" or "against everything the free market stands for". The fact is corporations exist at the pleasure of We the People, and they follow our rules -- not the other way around. That means the People, via the government, have a regulatory role. Absent that we'd have a Corporatocracy, which we in effect already do since We haven't been standing up for ourselves.

And fourth, the doomsday melodrama scenaria you list could be refuted --- except you've already done that in your closing: "Slogans, not serious policy". More strawmen, that knock themselves down.

I dunno, this seems in so many words to be a wistful yearning for More of the Same Old Thing: Division, pandering, demagoguery, dirty politics. Knock yerself out but some of us have had enough of that.
Damn Pogo. I agree with you on a few points. Bernie looks clean in public and has never taken the low road in running for elections that I know of.

So rdums reasons sound like just good old fashion bigotry. Granted the guys old but that's no reason NOT to like him. He is your average blue collar democrat. No criminal history or drinking or drugging. Just work and raise a family. Yet rdum hates him for his clothes?
We don't really know anything about his background. Bush was a criminal and lied about being convicted. Romney was so out of touch, he thought his many sons helping his presidential campaign was more important than serving in a war he supported, Iraq. Backgrounds matter.

Yeah, the last thing we need is another big eared community organizer who won't release his records
 
First, I would never follow a leader that looks homeless. It just can't be. But put that aside.

Bernie insists he wants to concentrate on the issues and that's why he won't talk about his opponents. Wow, sounds good. Sounds moral. Only it's a crock of shit. It may work in the Democratic Primary, but you have to remember, in the general election, you will be dealing with the worst America has to offer, Republicans.

Republicans have spent tens of millions just during the Clinton Administration trying to find "something" and all they got was a blow job. Sure, there was an impeachment. A political stunt that never got farther than the house. Most reports put the cost just over 40 million. How much have they spent of tax payer money on going after the Obama Administration? Wanna bet, after it's all said and sifted, it will turn out to be over 200 million? The original cost of the Iraq war? Republicans want to run the country their way. They don't care if it hurts the country. Worse, the GOP base has no idea what their leaders are doing, even more worse, they don't care.

And it will only make Hillary stronger. The woman who took on the entire GOP ---- and WON! I can imagine her right now be called to testify and saying, well, Colin Powell had private email and George Bush had a private server during his entire 8 years of his administration. Well, not the entire 8 years. As soon as the case of outing a covert CIA agent that spoke out about GOP lies became public, the server was wiped and destroyed. Oops.

Now, I don't know anything at all about Bernie's private life, but if he is a slob now, I suspect he's always been a slob and that's why he doesn't want anyone to question his past. But they may not even have to. Bernie has described himself as a "socialist". The most basic definition of socialism is the government controlling production. Something that is absolutely anti American. Against everything the free market stands for. The government stepping in and stopping business from fleecing the American public, something Republicans totally support, or stepping in to keep necessary business from dying, like auto companies or helping with research is NOT government controlling production. What ever Republicans will have you believe.

You can't just "redistribute wealth". It's not possible. Money is taking something that has no real value and assigning it a value so it can be traded for things that actually have value. So much easier than trading two chickens and some apples for a pair of shoes. Spreading it around unearned reduces it to no value at all.

What we need to do is instead of just spending research money on new "stuff", we need to do some research on the kind of jobs needed by our society in this century. Some things are a given, whether it'
being a plumber or being a scientist, you need education. No more 6th grade education is enough. We know there are over 5 million jobs open right now. Good jobs. What is being done to get people ready for them? Nothing. It has to be targeted. Just making education cheaper isn't enough.

Unfortunately, that's Bernie Sander's message. Socialist, redistribution of wealth, cheaper education and so on. Those are slogans, not serious policy. And that's why I think he may not make it past the GOP. And I wonder what they dig up on him.

The worst possible outcome is the GOP winning again and being worse than George Bush. Could you imagine worse than George Bush? A scary thought indeed.

Well first off, if you're making candidate decisions based on what they look like, hate to tell you this but you're part of the problem. Of all the reasons to vote or not vote for somebody -- curly hair? Really?

Segundo, you seem to be blaming the victim -- if Sanders (or anyone) is a potential target of Low Road politics, that's on them -- not the target. If you're selecting somebody out based on his refusal to take the low road, then once again you're part of the problem.

Third:
The most basic definition of socialism is the government controlling production. Something that is absolutely anti American. Against everything the free market stands for.

Strawman. It's not at all a definition of socialism, nor did Sanders run Burlington that way. And it's in no way "anti American" or "against everything the free market stands for". The fact is corporations exist at the pleasure of We the People, and they follow our rules -- not the other way around. That means the People, via the government, have a regulatory role. Absent that we'd have a Corporatocracy, which we in effect already do since We haven't been standing up for ourselves.

And fourth, the doomsday melodrama scenaria you list could be refuted --- except you've already done that in your closing: "Slogans, not serious policy". More strawmen, that knock themselves down.

I dunno, this seems in so many words to be a wistful yearning for More of the Same Old Thing: Division, pandering, demagoguery, dirty politics. Knock yerself out but some of us have had enough of that.
Damn Pogo. I agree with you on a few points. Bernie looks clean in public and has never taken the low road in running for elections that I know of.

So rdums reasons sound like just good old fashion bigotry. Granted the guys old but that's no reason NOT to like him. He is your average blue collar democrat. No criminal history or drinking or drugging. Just work and raise a family. Yet rdum hates him for his clothes?
We don't really know anything about his background. Bush was a criminal and lied about being convicted. Romney was so out of touch, he thought his many sons helping his presidential campaign was more important than serving in a war he supported, Iraq. Backgrounds matter.

Yeah, the last thing we need is another big eared community organizer who won't release his records
What records?
 
First, I would never follow a leader that looks homeless. It just can't be. But put that aside.

Bernie insists he wants to concentrate on the issues and that's why he won't talk about his opponents. Wow, sounds good. Sounds moral. Only it's a crock of shit. It may work in the Democratic Primary, but you have to remember, in the general election, you will be dealing with the worst America has to offer, Republicans.

Republicans have spent tens of millions just during the Clinton Administration trying to find "something" and all they got was a blow job. Sure, there was an impeachment. A political stunt that never got farther than the house. Most reports put the cost just over 40 million. How much have they spent of tax payer money on going after the Obama Administration? Wanna bet, after it's all said and sifted, it will turn out to be over 200 million? The original cost of the Iraq war? Republicans want to run the country their way. They don't care if it hurts the country. Worse, the GOP base has no idea what their leaders are doing, even more worse, they don't care.

And it will only make Hillary stronger. The woman who took on the entire GOP ---- and WON! I can imagine her right now be called to testify and saying, well, Colin Powell had private email and George Bush had a private server during his entire 8 years of his administration. Well, not the entire 8 years. As soon as the case of outing a covert CIA agent that spoke out about GOP lies became public, the server was wiped and destroyed. Oops.

Now, I don't know anything at all about Bernie's private life, but if he is a slob now, I suspect he's always been a slob and that's why he doesn't want anyone to question his past. But they may not even have to. Bernie has described himself as a "socialist". The most basic definition of socialism is the government controlling production. Something that is absolutely anti American. Against everything the free market stands for. The government stepping in and stopping business from fleecing the American public, something Republicans totally support, or stepping in to keep necessary business from dying, like auto companies or helping with research is NOT government controlling production. What ever Republicans will have you believe.

You can't just "redistribute wealth". It's not possible. Money is taking something that has no real value and assigning it a value so it can be traded for things that actually have value. So much easier than trading two chickens and some apples for a pair of shoes. Spreading it around unearned reduces it to no value at all.

What we need to do is instead of just spending research money on new "stuff", we need to do some research on the kind of jobs needed by our society in this century. Some things are a given, whether it'being a plumber or being a scientist, you need education. No more 6th grade education is enough. We know there are over 5 million jobs open right now. Good jobs. What is being done to get people ready for them? Nothing. It has to be targeted. Just making education cheaper isn't enough.

Unfortunately, that's Bernie Sander's message. Socialist, redistribution of wealth, cheaper education and so on. Those are slogans, not serious policy. And that's why I think he may not make it past the GOP. And I wonder what they dig up on him.

The worst possible outcome is the GOP winning again and being worse than George Bush. Could you imagine worse than George Bush? A scary thought indeed.

Well first off, if you're making candidate decisions based on what they look like, hate to tell you this but you're part of the problem. Of all the reasons to vote or not vote for somebody -- curly hair? Really?

Segundo, you seem to be blaming the victim -- if Sanders (or anyone) is a potential target of Low Road politics, that's on them -- not the target. If you're selecting somebody out based on his refusal to take the low road, then once again you're part of the problem.

Third:
The most basic definition of socialism is the government controlling production. Something that is absolutely anti American. Against everything the free market stands for.

Strawman. It's not at all a definition of socialism, nor did Sanders run Burlington that way. And it's in no way "anti American" or "against everything the free market stands for". The fact is corporations exist at the pleasure of We the People, and they follow our rules -- not the other way around. That means the People, via the government, have a regulatory role. Absent that we'd have a Corporatocracy, which we in effect already do since We haven't been standing up for ourselves.

And fourth, the doomsday melodrama scenaria you list could be refuted --- except you've already done that in your closing: "Slogans, not serious policy". More strawmen, that knock themselves down.

I dunno, this seems in so many words to be a wistful yearning for More of the Same Old Thing: Division, pandering, demagoguery, dirty politics. Knock yerself out but some of us have had enough of that.
Damn Pogo. I agree with you on a few points. Bernie looks clean in public and has never taken the low road in running for elections that I know of.

So rdums reasons sound like just good old fashion bigotry. Granted the guys old but that's no reason NOT to like him. He is your average blue collar democrat. No criminal history or drinking or drugging. Just work and raise a family. Yet rdum hates him for his clothes?
We don't really know anything about his background. Bush was a criminal and lied about being convicted. Romney was so out of touch, he thought his many sons helping his presidential campaign was more important than serving in a war he supported, Iraq. Backgrounds matter.

Yeah, the last thing we need is another big eared community organizer who won't release his records
What records?

You can't be serious
 
Well first off, if you're making candidate decisions based on what they look like, hate to tell you this but you're part of the problem. Of all the reasons to vote or not vote for somebody -- curly hair? Really?

Segundo, you seem to be blaming the victim -- if Sanders (or anyone) is a potential target of Low Road politics, that's on them -- not the target. If you're selecting somebody out based on his refusal to take the low road, then once again you're part of the problem.

Third:
Strawman. It's not at all a definition of socialism, nor did Sanders run Burlington that way. And it's in no way "anti American" or "against everything the free market stands for". The fact is corporations exist at the pleasure of We the People, and they follow our rules -- not the other way around. That means the People, via the government, have a regulatory role. Absent that we'd have a Corporatocracy, which we in effect already do since We haven't been standing up for ourselves.

And fourth, the doomsday melodrama scenaria you list could be refuted --- except you've already done that in your closing: "Slogans, not serious policy". More strawmen, that knock themselves down.

I dunno, this seems in so many words to be a wistful yearning for More of the Same Old Thing: Division, pandering, demagoguery, dirty politics. Knock yerself out but some of us have had enough of that.
Damn Pogo. I agree with you on a few points. Bernie looks clean in public and has never taken the low road in running for elections that I know of.

So rdums reasons sound like just good old fashion bigotry. Granted the guys old but that's no reason NOT to like him. He is your average blue collar democrat. No criminal history or drinking or drugging. Just work and raise a family. Yet rdum hates him for his clothes?
We don't really know anything about his background. Bush was a criminal and lied about being convicted. Romney was so out of touch, he thought his many sons helping his presidential campaign was more important than serving in a war he supported, Iraq. Backgrounds matter.

Yeah, the last thing we need is another big eared community organizer who won't release his records
What records?

You can't be serious
Well you aren't going to say his "school" records are you ? That's too stupid for words.
 
Damn Pogo. I agree with you on a few points. Bernie looks clean in public and has never taken the low road in running for elections that I know of.

So rdums reasons sound like just good old fashion bigotry. Granted the guys old but that's no reason NOT to like him. He is your average blue collar democrat. No criminal history or drinking or drugging. Just work and raise a family. Yet rdum hates him for his clothes?
We don't really know anything about his background. Bush was a criminal and lied about being convicted. Romney was so out of touch, he thought his many sons helping his presidential campaign was more important than serving in a war he supported, Iraq. Backgrounds matter.

Yeah, the last thing we need is another big eared community organizer who won't release his records
What records?

You can't be serious
Well you aren't going to say his "school" records are you ? That's too stupid for words.

There is a reason he has to hide his records....of course you being too fucking stupid to live don't realize it.
 
Obama hides his records because he doesn't want to be ridiculed for the courses he took in college.

There is a reason why the so called college "football factories" enroll so many of their stars in Black Studies classes....hint...it's not because those classes are tough.
 
Obama hides his records because he doesn't want to be ridiculed for the courses he took in college.

There is a reason why the so called college "football factories" enroll so many of their stars in Black Studies classes....hint...it's not because those classes are tough.
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Herd mentality ^^. That's part of the problem. A BIG part.

Again -- the office is Chief Executive. It's not Store Mannequin.

In a logical world people would vote for the person who could do the best job.

In the US on the other hand people vote for the person who advertises themselves the best (which usually means loads of money).

Yeah I think "herd mentality" already covered that.
Break away.
And when you've done that -- pass it on. Because if we are to just throw up our hands and accept the above, we might as well just hire a model and program him.
That was already done with Reagan.
 
Herd mentality ^^. That's part of the problem. A BIG part.

Again -- the office is Chief Executive. It's not Store Mannequin.

In a logical world people would vote for the person who could do the best job.

In the US on the other hand people vote for the person who advertises themselves the best (which usually means loads of money).

Yeah I think "herd mentality" already covered that.
Break away.
And when you've done that -- pass it on. Because if we are to just throw up our hands and accept the above, we might as well just hire a model and program him.
That was already done with Reagan.

That's exactly the image I had in mind when I posted that too. :thup:
 
Obama hides his records because he doesn't want to be ridiculed for the courses he took in college.

There is a reason why the so called college "football factories" enroll so many of their stars in Black Studies classes....hint...it's not because those classes are tough.

Or maybe he is embarrassed because he applied as a "foreign exchange student"? He was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii after all....:lol:
 
Obama hides his records because he doesn't want to be ridiculed for the courses he took in college.

There is a reason why the so called college "football factories" enroll so many of their stars in Black Studies classes....hint...it's not because those classes are tough.


Good job Bubba, keep it up, the GOP needs fewer minorities voting for them, lol
 
Obama hides his records because he doesn't want to be ridiculed for the courses he took in college.

There is a reason why the so called college "football factories" enroll so many of their stars in Black Studies classes....hint...it's not because those classes are tough.

Or maybe he is embarrassed because he applied as a "foreign exchange student"? He was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii after all....:lol:


Birthers, gotta love them, PLEASE keep it up Bubs
 
Obama hides his records because he doesn't want to be ridiculed for the courses he took in college.

There is a reason why the so called college "football factories" enroll so many of their stars in Black Studies classes....hint...it's not because those classes are tough.


Good job Bubba, keep it up, the GOP needs fewer minorities voting for them, lol

Bubba? I'm from Massachusetts! Duh?
 
Obama hides his records because he doesn't want to be ridiculed for the courses he took in college.

There is a reason why the so called college "football factories" enroll so many of their stars in Black Studies classes....hint...it's not because those classes are tough.


Good job Bubba, keep it up, the GOP needs fewer minorities voting for them, lol

Bubba? I'm from Massachusetts! Duh?

Yet you play a SOUTHERN CONfederate States of AmeriKKKa character, Go figure!
 

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