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They were everywhere...Americans hel[ped each other UNTIL the Government saw fit to begin the process of the fucking NANNYSTATE.
Don't you read history junior?
Not only do I read history, I had personal accounts from my parents who lived through it. The reason the New Deal came about was because the suffering was so great.
Yes, agree, the collapse and dust bowl were severe, my parents lived through it as well, lifted themselves up by their boot straps, found work, fought in a world war, and became what we now consider the middle class, aka the greatest generation, however, government went far beyond the scope of the new deal to become the gravy train.
Yup. Everyone takes delight in quoting the General Welfare clause.
Only problem is that it says "Promote" for the general welfare not "Provide."
Big difference.
In other words, why do you think you'll never need to be supported through rough times? Our economy is rapidly changing - moving towards a knowledge based system. Outsourcing to third world countries is killing our manufacturing base and thanks to trade agreements, no one profits from that except the multinational corporations. Illegal immigrants fill the niche for unskilled labor. Few people have enough land or have sufficient water rights to produce their own food. And most middle class Americans are drowning in a sea of mortgage and credit card debt.
people got by however they could with helping each other...these Statist creeps want us to belive what and who we are is courtesy of Government.
People are adapting. Many are now living in minivans and their cars. And as more and more people opt out, the demand for goods and services deteriorates and the economic slow-down accelerates. Maybe it's all for the best - I suppose we'll find out before long. However, the rise of third-world America is something I never thought I'd see from my optimistic childhood growing up in the 60's and 70's.
But YET something YOU cheer on Statist creep. Get out of my face.
People are adapting. Many are now living in minivans and their cars. And as more and more people opt out, the demand for goods and services deteriorates and the economic slow-down accelerates. Maybe it's all for the best - I suppose we'll find out before long. However, the rise of third-world America is something I never thought I'd see from my optimistic childhood growing up in the 60's and 70's.
But YET something YOU cheer on Statist creep. Get out of my face.
Something I cheer on? Clarify please. I'd like to think of myself as a cheerleader for the middle class. That's something that unintentionally or not, the Tea Party is trying to fuck up.
People are adapting. Many are now living in minivans and their cars. And as more and more people opt out, the demand for goods and services deteriorates and the economic slow-down accelerates. Maybe it's all for the best - I suppose we'll find out before long. However, the rise of third-world America is something I never thought I'd see from my optimistic childhood growing up in the 60's and 70's.
But YET something YOU cheer on Statist creep. Get out of my face.
Something I cheer on? Clarify please. I'd like to think of myself as a cheerleader for the middle class. That's something that unintentionally or not, the Tea Party is trying to fuck up.
In other words, why do you think you'll never need to be supported through rough times? Our economy is rapidly changing - moving towards a knowledge based system. Outsourcing to third world countries is killing our manufacturing base and thanks to trade agreements, no one profits from that except the multinational corporations. Illegal immigrants fill the niche for unskilled labor. Few people have enough land or have sufficient water rights to produce their own food. And most middle class Americans are drowning in a sea of mortgage and credit card debt.
Because history has taught us that centralized government solutions = catastrophic failure. First, it penalizes hard working income earners and rewards the crack addict with 8 babies from 8 different fathers. That's like beating your oldest child for a 4.0 report card, and rewarding your youngest child with a $1,000 for telling their teacher to "f*ck off" and dropping out of school. Nobody would do that, yet the left thinks that very philosophy will bring success to America.
Second, all the federal government does is create waste. Endless waste. Volumes of waste. It wastes money, time, resources, and more. It is the epitome of waste and inefficiency. Anything the government does, can be done 100,000x better by the private sector - including charity.
Third, it imposes on freedom. There is a price to be paid for the freedoms you enjoy, and that price is called personal responsibility. If you lose your job in England, the goverment pays your mortgage for you. If you lose your job in America, you lose your home. There is no safety net - which is why this is and has been, the greatest country in the world. Because the lack of safety net lights a fire under the majority of us and causes us to get up every day and produce at the highest levels. It's why America created the nuclear bomb and not Russia. It's why America first achieved flight and not England. It's why America created the iPad and not China. The fact that my money is taken against my will and used for a program - Social Security (nothing secure about the mess by the way) - that I don't want to be a part of and which, is NOT authorized in the US Constitution, is a major infringement on my freedoms.
Fourth, we already have 5 layers of safety nets in place. First is your family. If you're family won't help you (well, you're probably a jerk), then second you haver friends. If you're friends won't help you (well, you're probably a major friggin jerk), then you have your neighbors. If you're neighbors won't help you (again, you're probably a major friggin jerk), then you have your church. If your church can't provide you with enough help, then you have charity. If 5 "safety nets" aren't enough for a person, then they should probably just give up and die. Sorry, but I don't know what else to tell you - that's more than enough for any person.
I could keep going, but I think that's more than enough information to explain why the so-called "governmet safety net" is despised by true conservatives. To sum it up best though, go back to the first point. It creates FAILURE.
I am for voluntary safety nets... I fully support charity
But nobody owes you anything for your personal wants or needs.. you, as an adult, are responsible for your own upkeep, food, lodging, etc....
And how many soap box talking points are you going to try and string together in one mini-paragraph??
As many as it takes I guess.
So why has voluntary charity proven inadequate?
But YET something YOU cheer on Statist creep. Get out of my face.
Something I cheer on? Clarify please. I'd like to think of myself as a cheerleader for the middle class. That's something that unintentionally or not, the Tea Party is trying to fuck up.
Know how to read? I suggest you get crackin' son.
I am for voluntary safety nets... I fully support charity
But nobody owes you anything for your personal wants or needs.. you, as an adult, are responsible for your own upkeep, food, lodging, etc....
And how many soap box talking points are you going to try and string together in one mini-paragraph??
As many as it takes I guess.
So why has voluntary charity proven inadequate?
Exactly WHO has said it has "proven" (I need proof if you're going to state "proven") to be "inadequate"? Last time I checked, private charity was doing amazing things. Have you seen what the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation is doing? What about the charities of the NFL, NBA, and MLB? United Way? Habitat for Humanity? Good God man, the list goes on and on for the amazing things these charities and a whole lot more of them are doing!
In other words, why do you think you'll never need to be supported through rough times? Our economy is rapidly changing - moving towards a knowledge based system. Outsourcing to third world countries is killing our manufacturing base and thanks to trade agreements, no one profits from that except the multinational corporations. Illegal immigrants fill the niche for unskilled labor. Few people have enough land or have sufficient water rights to produce their own food. And most middle class Americans are drowning in a sea of mortgage and credit card debt.
The "safety net" is a euphemism for organized plunder. The economy has been changing rapidly for 200 years. Rapid change is the hallmark of capitalism. Ossifying the economy doesn't help us compete in the global market. It does precisely the opposite.
Organized plunder is when lobbyists enter congressional offices with lists of proposals requested by the companies or trade groups they represent. Know what I mean? Things like preferential tax breaks and favorable legislation come to mind. Of course, they also bring campaign contribution 'commitments' with them from their bosses, assuming Congress can come through for them, of course.
I am for voluntary safety nets... I fully support charity
But nobody owes you anything for your personal wants or needs.. you, as an adult, are responsible for your own upkeep, food, lodging, etc....
And how many soap box talking points are you going to try and string together in one mini-paragraph??
As many as it takes I guess.
So why has voluntary charity proven inadequate?
Exactly WHO has said it has "proven" (I need proof if you're going to state "proven") to be "inadequate"? Last time I checked, private charity was doing amazing things. Have you seen what the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation is doing? What about the charities of the NFL, NBA, and MLB? United Way? Habitat for Humanity? Good God man, the list goes on and on for the amazing things these charities and a whole lot more of them are doing!
As many as it takes I guess.
So why has voluntary charity proven inadequate?
It is not inadequate.. you have more and more people thinking they are owed it and are too fucking lazy to work to meet their own wants or needs, whether that be 3 jobs, working 'beneath' where they think they should be, or whatever
You have many people willing to help others... you have many more who do not wish to have their freedom infringed upon and FORCED to help those who generally do not help themselves
Three jobs huh. I'm trying to think of what type of jobs a person could perform and have three of them.
I think ya better take a trip down to your local Social Services office.
Loads of ladies with illigitimate kids all over the place. Hell. We just had one in court who has already had 13 kid. She has em, immediately get pregnant again and signs all the kids over to the State ot raise.
She is permenantly on Welfare and her kids are being raised in Foster care at the expense of the taxpayers.
She's just one of many no doubt all across this country. She has never worked a day in her life and probably won't.
Talk about being a candidate for spaying.
Ever heard of the great depression? Many people lost everything they've ever worked for. The ones who didn't nearly starved. Where was all the voluntary charity back then?
They were everywhere...Americans hel[ped each other UNTIL the Government saw fit to begin the process of the fucking NANNYSTATE.
Don't you read history junior?
Not only do I read history, I had personal accounts from my parents who lived through it. The reason the New Deal came about was because the suffering was so great.
It is not inadequate.. you have more and more people thinking they are owed it and are too fucking lazy to work to meet their own wants or needs, whether that be 3 jobs, working 'beneath' where they think they should be, or whatever
You have many people willing to help others... you have many more who do not wish to have their freedom infringed upon and FORCED to help those who generally do not help themselves
Three jobs huh. I'm trying to think of what type of jobs a person could perform and have three of them.
what difference does that make? they are SELF SUFFICENT and not asking you to take of them
Why are Tea Partiers opposed to having a safety net?