Why are Tea Partiers opposed to having a safety net?

[JoeNormal]

In other words, why do you think you'll never need to be supported through rough times? Our economy is rapidly changing - moving towards a knowledge based system. Outsourcing to third world countries is killing our manufacturing base and thanks to trade agreements, no one profits from that except the multinational corporations. Illegal immigrants fill the niche for unskilled labor. Few people have enough land or have sufficient water rights to produce their own food. And most middle class Americans are drowning in a sea of mortgage and credit card debt.

 

[bripat9643]

In other words, why do you think you'll never need to be supported through rough times? Our economy is rapidly changing - moving towards a knowledge based system. Outsourcing to third world countries is killing our manufacturing base and thanks to trade agreements, no one profits from that except the multinational corporations. Illegal immigrants fill the niche for unskilled labor. Few people have enough land or have sufficient water rights to produce their own food. And most middle class Americans are drowning in a sea of mortgage and credit card debt.

The "safety net" is a euphemism for organized plunder. The economy has been changing rapidly for 200 years. Rapid change is the hallmark of capitalism. Ossifying the economy doesn't help us compete in the global market. It does precisely the opposite.

 

[DiamondDave]

I am for voluntary safety nets... I fully support charity

But nobody owes you anything for your personal wants or needs.. you, as an adult, are responsible for your own upkeep, food, lodging, etc....

And how many soap box talking points are you going to try and string together in one mini-paragraph??

 

[Dr.Drock]

I'm a libertarian, I dunno anyone who thinks similar to me who doesn't fully support a surplus, that's why we're so against Obama's debt/deficits/spend spend spend policy.

 

[JoeNormal]

I am for voluntary safety nets... I fully support charity

But nobody owes you anything for your personal wants or needs.. you, as an adult, are responsible for your own upkeep, food, lodging, etc....

And how many soap box talking points are you going to try and string together in one mini-paragraph??

As many as it takes I guess.

So why has voluntary charity proven inadequate?

 

[Dr.Drock]

I am for voluntary safety nets... I fully support charity

But nobody owes you anything for your personal wants or needs.. you, as an adult, are responsible for your own upkeep, food, lodging, etc....

And how many soap box talking points are you going to try and string together in one mini-paragraph??

As many as it takes I guess.

So why has voluntary charity proven inadequate?

 

[JoeNormal]

I am for voluntary safety nets... I fully support charity

But nobody owes you anything for your personal wants or needs.. you, as an adult, are responsible for your own upkeep, food, lodging, etc....

And how many soap box talking points are you going to try and string together in one mini-paragraph??

As many as it takes I guess.

So why has voluntary charity proven inadequate?

Ever heard of the great depression? Many people lost everything they've ever worked for. The ones who didn't nearly starved. Where was all the voluntary charity back then?

 

[JoeNormal]

In other words, why do you think you'll never need to be supported through rough times? Our economy is rapidly changing - moving towards a knowledge based system. Outsourcing to third world countries is killing our manufacturing base and thanks to trade agreements, no one profits from that except the multinational corporations. Illegal immigrants fill the niche for unskilled labor. Few people have enough land or have sufficient water rights to produce their own food. And most middle class Americans are drowning in a sea of mortgage and credit card debt.

The "safety net" is a euphemism for organized plunder. The economy has been changing rapidly for 200 years. Rapid change is the hallmark of capitalism. Ossifying the economy doesn't help us compete in the global market. It does precisely the opposite.

So what's your situation? I have a good education and a lot of work experience. I'm way more immune to downturns than most but I still have to wonder what I'd do to stay afloat if things turned sour.

 

[Clementine]

I am for voluntary safety nets... I fully support charity

But nobody owes you anything for your personal wants or needs.. you, as an adult, are responsible for your own upkeep, food, lodging, etc....

And how many soap box talking points are you going to try and string together in one mini-paragraph??

As many as it takes I guess.

So why has voluntary charity proven inadequate?

For one thing, more people jumped on the charity bandwagon because they can't turn down freebies. I know two people right now who each have 3 free cell phones the government is giving away. They applied with different companies and, since the government doesn't take steps to prevent fraud with it's programs, they were approved and got the phones. One told me 250 minutes was too stingy, so he got three phones with three different numbers and a total of 750 minutes a month. I just love it when beggars get choosy and demanding.

The scammers overload the system. I think this is true with private charities as well.

Also, I think more people might be willing to donate if they weren't already taxed to the max for government programs. Even with taxes, studies show that Republicans give more to charity than Democrats. Perhaps private charities would suffice if the Dems would chip in and those who don't really need freebies would opt out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

I am all for a safety net because some people are simply unable to fend for themselves. I have big issues with the able bodied who think work is for suckers. Problem is that some started seeing the safety net and as a comfortable hammock and they don't want to get out.

 

[DiamondDave]

I am for voluntary safety nets... I fully support charity

But nobody owes you anything for your personal wants or needs.. you, as an adult, are responsible for your own upkeep, food, lodging, etc....

And how many soap box talking points are you going to try and string together in one mini-paragraph??

As many as it takes I guess.

So why has voluntary charity proven inadequate?

It is not inadequate.. you have more and more people thinking they are owed it and are too fucking lazy to work to meet their own wants or needs, whether that be 3 jobs, working 'beneath' where they think they should be, or whatever

You have many people willing to help others... you have many more who do not wish to have their freedom infringed upon and FORCED to help those who generally do not help themselves

 

[LogikAndReazon]

When an entire post is based upon some juvenile, misguided, assumption what is there to say ???

 

[JoeNormal]

I am for voluntary safety nets... I fully support charity

But nobody owes you anything for your personal wants or needs.. you, as an adult, are responsible for your own upkeep, food, lodging, etc....

And how many soap box talking points are you going to try and string together in one mini-paragraph??

As many as it takes I guess.

So why has voluntary charity proven inadequate?

For one thing, more people jumped on the charity bandwagon because they can't turn down freebies. I know two people right now who each have 3 free cell phones the government is giving away. They applied with different companies and, since the government doesn't take steps to prevent fraud with it's programs, they were approved and got the phones. One told me 250 minutes was too stingy, so he got three phones with three different numbers and a total of 750 minutes a month. I just love it when beggars get choosy and demanding.

The scammers overload the system. I think this is true with private charities as well.

Also, I think more people might be willing to donate if they weren't already taxed to the max for government programs. Even with taxes, studies show that Republicans give more to charity than Democrats. Perhaps private charities would suffice if the Dems would chip in and those who don't really need freebies would opt out.

I am all for a safety net because some people are simply unable to fend for themselves. I have big issues with the able bodied who think work is for suckers. Problem is that some started seeing the safety net and as a comfortable hammock and they don't want to get out.

I won't argue that handouts can't be abused. So can any form of power. Fraud, whether it's perpetrated by welfare recipients or Wall Street gamblers should be prosecuted harshly.

But I think you're dreaming when you say that if taxes were lower, there'd be more charity. Tax rates are as low as they've been in something like 80 years and I don't think charity is at its peak because of it. And the stat you quoted about republicans and charity is merely a reflection of tithing - not charity per se.

 

[bucs90]

I support safety nets.

I do not support hammocks.

 

[eflatminor]

I am for voluntary safety nets... I fully support charity

But nobody owes you anything for your personal wants or needs.. you, as an adult, are responsible for your own upkeep, food, lodging, etc....

And how many soap box talking points are you going to try and string together in one mini-paragraph??

As many as it takes I guess.

So why has voluntary charity proven inadequate?

Before the days of forced charity through government confiscation, it worked beautifully.

 

[The Infidel]

I'm a libertarian, I dunno anyone who thinks similar to me who doesn't fully support a surplus, that's why we're so against Obama's debt/deficits/spend spend spend policy.

yep... I have been unemployed for a little while now, and I am living on the surplus I created by working for 30 years...since I was 14 yrs old.

I am sick of taking care of Obama's "vulnerables"

 

[The Infidel]

I support safety nets.

I do not support hammocks.

 

[JoeNormal]

I am for voluntary safety nets... I fully support charity

But nobody owes you anything for your personal wants or needs.. you, as an adult, are responsible for your own upkeep, food, lodging, etc....

And how many soap box talking points are you going to try and string together in one mini-paragraph??

As many as it takes I guess.

So why has voluntary charity proven inadequate?

It is not inadequate.. you have more and more people thinking they are owed it and are too fucking lazy to work to meet their own wants or needs, whether that be 3 jobs, working 'beneath' where they think they should be, or whatever

You have many people willing to help others... you have many more who do not wish to have their freedom infringed upon and FORCED to help those who generally do not help themselves

Three jobs huh. I'm trying to think of what type of jobs a person could perform and have three of them.

 

[Samson]

I am for voluntary safety nets... I fully support charity

But nobody owes you anything for your personal wants or needs.. you, as an adult, are responsible for your own upkeep, food, lodging, etc....

And how many soap box talking points are you going to try and string together in one mini-paragraph??

As many as it takes I guess.

So why has voluntary charity proven inadequate?

As many as it takes .....until, what?

You're like the guy who keeps ringing the doorbell, thinking that will make me wanna buy something totally useless.

You missed the point: Voluntary charity is quite adequate.

 

[DiamondDave]

As many as it takes I guess.

So why has voluntary charity proven inadequate?

For one thing, more people jumped on the charity bandwagon because they can't turn down freebies. I know two people right now who each have 3 free cell phones the government is giving away. They applied with different companies and, since the government doesn't take steps to prevent fraud with it's programs, they were approved and got the phones. One told me 250 minutes was too stingy, so he got three phones with three different numbers and a total of 750 minutes a month. I just love it when beggars get choosy and demanding.

The scammers overload the system. I think this is true with private charities as well.

Also, I think more people might be willing to donate if they weren't already taxed to the max for government programs. Even with taxes, studies show that Republicans give more to charity than Democrats. Perhaps private charities would suffice if the Dems would chip in and those who don't really need freebies would opt out.

I am all for a safety net because some people are simply unable to fend for themselves. I have big issues with the able bodied who think work is for suckers. Problem is that some started seeing the safety net and as a comfortable hammock and they don't want to get out.

I won't argue that handouts can't be abused. So can any form of power. Fraud, whether it's perpetrated by welfare recipients or Wall Street gamblers should be prosecuted harshly.

But I think you're dreaming when you say that if taxes were lower, there'd be more charity. Tax rates are as low as they've been in something like 80 years and I don't think charity is at its peak because of it. And the stat you quoted about republicans and charity is merely a reflection of tithing - not charity per se.

Total taxation of the earner classes are extremely high.. do not forget all the additional taxes people pay on everything from gas, to cell phone service, to property, to every purchase of most every good, etc...

And you best look up your history of tax rates, what could be deducted in the past, what was considered income, etc... How much is enough to tax someone?? What amount of total taxation would be too much? Should a person only be allowed to keep 50% of their earnings? 40%? 30%? How much is enough??

 

[The T]

As many as it takes I guess.

So why has voluntary charity proven inadequate?

Ever heard of the great depression? Many people lost everything they've ever worked for. The ones who didn't nearly starved. Where was all the voluntary charity back then?

They were everywhere...Americans hel[ped each other UNTIL the Government saw fit to begin the process of the fucking NANNYSTATE.

Don't you read history junior?