Why are Americans so concerned with "big government"?

[Billy000]

Even if you could make the argument our leaders push the boundaries of their authority, is it really worth the paranoia to fear this vague concept of "big government"? What exactly do people think will happen?

Frankly, the NSA scandal never bothered me all that much. It was definitely eye-opening, but it didn't make me fearful. Yes, the agency was being more invasive than we thought, but there are two things to consider: 1) this invasive behavior was solely in the interest of national security. 2) no one working at the NSA was exempt from this prying. EVERYONE was being monitored. It's not like there is some elite group within the NSA that controls the masses that was poking into people's lives for the fun of it. It all had a purpose.

I also think of the TSA. Libertarians whine about thorough the security procedures are. How can they possibly forget about the purpose of these procedures? They have to be thorough. Can you imagine the implications if the NSA/TSA didn't crack down after 9/11? Don't you think we would be open to more attacks? Don't you think these current procedures have discouraged terrorists from future attempts? While I find airport security terribly inconvenient, I understand why it is the way it is. Oh, and again, no one working in the TSA would be above going through these procedures while traveling. No one gets a pass while going in line for their flight.

Where is the outrage at big business? Doesn't the low corporate crime prosecution bother you Rightwingers? It's amazing what big corporations get away with doing. Their biggest punishment is paying petty fines. How about Wall Street corruption? How about the staggering gap income gap and growing poverty rate?

Those business leaders are the people who are above the law. Money has gotten so much louder these days. Where is the outrage, huh?

 

[Billy000]

Even if you could make the argument our leaders push the boundaries of their authority, is it really worth the paranoia to fear this vague concept of "big government"? What exactly do people think will happen?

Frankly, the NSA scandal never bothered me all that much. It was definitely eye-opening, but it didn't make me fearful. Yes, the agency was being more invasive than we thought, but there are two things to consider: 1) this invasive behavior was solely in the interest of national security. 2) no one working at the NSA was exempt from this prying. EVERYONE was being monitored. It's not like there is some elite group within the NSA that controls the masses that was poking into people's lives for the fun of it. It all had a purpose.

I also think of the TSA. Libertarians whine about thorough the security procedures are. How can they possibly forget about the purpose of these procedures? They have to be thorough. Can you imagine the implications if the NSA didn't crack down after 9/11? Don't you think we would be open to more attacks? Don't you think these current procedures have discouraged terrorists from future attempts? While I find airport security terribly inconvenient, I understand why it is the way it is. Oh, and again, no one working in the TSA would be above going through these procedures while traveling. No one gets a pass while going in line for their flight.

Where is the outrage at big business? Doesn't the low corporate crime prosecution bother you Rightwingers? It's amazing what big corporations get away with doing. Their biggest punishment is paying petty fines. How about Wall Street corruption? How about the staggering gap income gap and growing poverty rate?

Those business leaders are the people who are above the law. Money has gotten so much louder these days. Where is the outrage, huh?

 

[Staidhup]

Possibly the real issue is the breadth, scope, and intrusion of government on ones Constitutional Rights?

 

[The Rabbi]

Why do we have two threads virtually identical? One is bad enough.

 

[Mr.Right]

Even if you could make the argument our leaders push the boundaries of their authority, is it really worth the paranoia to fear this vague concept of "big government"? What exactly do people think will happen?

Frankly, the NSA scandal never bothered me all that much. It was definitely eye-opening, but it didn't make me fearful. Yes, the agency was being more invasive than we thought, but there are two things to consider: 1) this invasive behavior was solely in the interest of national security. 2) no one working at the NSA was exempt from this prying. EVERYONE was being monitored. It's not like there is some elite group within the NSA that controls the masses that was poking into people's lives for the fun of it. It all had a purpose.

I also think of the TSA. Libertarians whine about thorough the security procedures are. How can they possibly forget about the purpose of these procedures? They have to be thorough. Can you imagine the implications if the NSA/TSA didn't crack down after 9/11? Don't you think we would be open to more attacks? Don't you think these current procedures have discouraged terrorists from future attempts? While I find airport security terribly inconvenient, I understand why it is the way it is. Oh, and again, no one working in the TSA would be above going through these procedures while traveling. No one gets a pass while going in line for their flight.

Where is the outrage at big business? Doesn't the low corporate crime prosecution bother you Rightwingers? It's amazing what big corporations get away with doing. Their biggest punishment is paying petty fines. How about Wall Street corruption? How about the staggering gap income gap and growing poverty rate?

Those business leaders are the people who are above the law. Money has gotten so much louder these days. Where is the outrage, huh?

I'd just like you to consider how many terrorists were caught by the TSA. The answer, of course, is a big fat zero. Now, consider all of the abuses they are responsible for. If you can't think of any, try google. It's sick, what those people get away with.

 

[Flopper]

Even if you could make the argument our leaders push the boundaries of their authority, is it really worth the paranoia to fear this vague concept of "big government"? What exactly do people think will happen?

Frankly, the NSA scandal never bothered me all that much. It was definitely eye-opening, but it didn't make me fearful. Yes, the agency was being more invasive than we thought, but there are two things to consider: 1) this invasive behavior was solely in the interest of national security. 2) no one working at the NSA was exempt from this prying. EVERYONE was being monitored. It's not like there is some elite group within the NSA that controls the masses that was poking into people's lives for the fun of it. It all had a purpose.

I also think of the TSA. Libertarians whine about thorough the security procedures are. How can they possibly forget about the purpose of these procedures? They have to be thorough. Can you imagine the implications if the NSA didn't crack down after 9/11? Don't you think we would be open to more attacks? Don't you think these current procedures have discouraged terrorists from future attempts? While I find airport security terribly inconvenient, I understand why it is the way it is. Oh, and again, no one working in the TSA would be above going through these procedures while traveling. No one gets a pass while going in line for their flight.

Where is the outrage at big business? Doesn't the low corporate crime prosecution bother you Rightwingers? It's amazing what big corporations get away with doing. Their biggest punishment is paying petty fines. How about Wall Street corruption? How about the staggering gap income gap and growing poverty rate?

Those business leaders are the people who are above the law. Money has gotten so much louder these days. Where is the outrage, huh?

The people hate the idea of big government but love what it provides. Candidates will promise smaller government because that is what people want to hear and delivery what big government provides because that's what people want.

 

[Stephanie]

oh boy, here's the propaganda on why we should LOVE love the Tyrannical Monster this government has grown into. Every year Every President they add another monster to it. And now they don't do what: we the people wants. they do what the hell they feel like. Under Obama every agency has become it's own mini government passing new rules and regulations on us at their will. bypassing YOUR Representation in Congress.

gawd knows where it's going end. not going to be though

 

[Billy000]

Even if you could make the argument our leaders push the boundaries of their authority, is it really worth the paranoia to fear this vague concept of "big government"? What exactly do people think will happen?

Frankly, the NSA scandal never bothered me all that much. It was definitely eye-opening, but it didn't make me fearful. Yes, the agency was being more invasive than we thought, but there are two things to consider: 1) this invasive behavior was solely in the interest of national security. 2) no one working at the NSA was exempt from this prying. EVERYONE was being monitored. It's not like there is some elite group within the NSA that controls the masses that was poking into people's lives for the fun of it. It all had a purpose.

I also think of the TSA. Libertarians whine about thorough the security procedures are. How can they possibly forget about the purpose of these procedures? They have to be thorough. Can you imagine the implications if the NSA/TSA didn't crack down after 9/11? Don't you think we would be open to more attacks? Don't you think these current procedures have discouraged terrorists from future attempts? While I find airport security terribly inconvenient, I understand why it is the way it is. Oh, and again, no one working in the TSA would be above going through these procedures while traveling. No one gets a pass while going in line for their flight.

Where is the outrage at big business? Doesn't the low corporate crime prosecution bother you Rightwingers? It's amazing what big corporations get away with doing. Their biggest punishment is paying petty fines. How about Wall Street corruption? How about the staggering gap income gap and growing poverty rate?

Those business leaders are the people who are above the law. Money has gotten so much louder these days. Where is the outrage, huh?

I'd just like you to consider how many terrorists were caught by the TSA. The answer, of course, is a big fat zero. Now, consider all of the abuses they are responsible for. If you can't think of any, try google. It's sick, what those people get away with.

Given how thorough they are, why would any terrorist be stupid enough to try? Either way, your argument is basically saying they aren't thorough enough.

 

[Avatar4321]

Most people prefer the government not tell them what to do

 

[Stephanie]

Even if you could make the argument our leaders push the boundaries of their authority, is it really worth the paranoia to fear this vague concept of "big government"? What exactly do people think will happen?

Frankly, the NSA scandal never bothered me all that much. It was definitely eye-opening, but it didn't make me fearful. Yes, the agency was being more invasive than we thought, but there are two things to consider: 1) this invasive behavior was solely in the interest of national security. 2) no one working at the NSA was exempt from this prying. EVERYONE was being monitored. It's not like there is some elite group within the NSA that controls the masses that was poking into people's lives for the fun of it. It all had a purpose.

I also think of the TSA. Libertarians whine about thorough the security procedures are. How can they possibly forget about the purpose of these procedures? They have to be thorough. Can you imagine the implications if the NSA didn't crack down after 9/11? Don't you think we would be open to more attacks? Don't you think these current procedures have discouraged terrorists from future attempts? While I find airport security terribly inconvenient, I understand why it is the way it is. Oh, and again, no one working in the TSA would be above going through these procedures while traveling. No one gets a pass while going in line for their flight.

Where is the outrage at big business? Doesn't the low corporate crime prosecution bother you Rightwingers? It's amazing what big corporations get away with doing. Their biggest punishment is paying petty fines. How about Wall Street corruption? How about the staggering gap income gap and growing poverty rate?

Those business leaders are the people who are above the law. Money has gotten so much louder these days. Where is the outrage, huh?

The people hate the idea of big government but love what it provides. Candidates will promise smaller government because that is what people want to hear and delivery what big government provides because that's what people want.

what the hell do they provide that we DON'T PAY FOR. ? . We all have STATE governments that we pay taxes to do things for us. We don't need this MONSTER Federal government that's it's become and continuously looking for more ways to take money from us to feed it

 

[Billy000]

oh boy, here's the propaganda on why we should LOVE love the Tyrannical Monster this government has grown into. Every year Every President they add another monster to it. And now they don't do what: we the people wants. they do what the hell they feel like. Under Obama every agency has become it's own mini government passing new rules and regulations on us at their will. bypassing YOUR Representation in Congress.

gawd knows where it's going end. not going to be though

It's amazing how emotional you are. You have to exaggerate to the extreme.

 

[Mr.Right]

Even if you could make the argument our leaders push the boundaries of their authority, is it really worth the paranoia to fear this vague concept of "big government"? What exactly do people think will happen?

Frankly, the NSA scandal never bothered me all that much. It was definitely eye-opening, but it didn't make me fearful. Yes, the agency was being more invasive than we thought, but there are two things to consider: 1) this invasive behavior was solely in the interest of national security. 2) no one working at the NSA was exempt from this prying. EVERYONE was being monitored. It's not like there is some elite group within the NSA that controls the masses that was poking into people's lives for the fun of it. It all had a purpose.

I also think of the TSA. Libertarians whine about thorough the security procedures are. How can they possibly forget about the purpose of these procedures? They have to be thorough. Can you imagine the implications if the NSA/TSA didn't crack down after 9/11? Don't you think we would be open to more attacks? Don't you think these current procedures have discouraged terrorists from future attempts? While I find airport security terribly inconvenient, I understand why it is the way it is. Oh, and again, no one working in the TSA would be above going through these procedures while traveling. No one gets a pass while going in line for their flight.

Where is the outrage at big business? Doesn't the low corporate crime prosecution bother you Rightwingers? It's amazing what big corporations get away with doing. Their biggest punishment is paying petty fines. How about Wall Street corruption? How about the staggering gap income gap and growing poverty rate?

Those business leaders are the people who are above the law. Money has gotten so much louder these days. Where is the outrage, huh?

I'd just like you to consider how many terrorists were caught by the TSA. The answer, of course, is a big fat zero. Now, consider all of the abuses they are responsible for. If you can't think of any, try google. It's sick, what those people get away with.

Given how thorough they are, why would any terrorist be stupid enough to try? Either way, your argument is basically saying they aren't thorough enough.

Did you know there are pedophiles working for TSA? There are also many others with felony records, including murder. I'm not saying we shouldn't have airport security. Just that it shouldn't be the TSA.

 

[Mr.Right]

Most people prefer the government not tell them what to do

A government powerful enough to give you what you, is powerful enough to take it away. This is what is known as a truism. You've been warned.

 

[defcon4]

I also think of the TSA.

Uh… Your obsession to have an oppressive government makes one think if you were a TSA X-Ray monitor watcher checking out male genitalia.

 

[defcon4]

Did you know there are pedophiles working for TSA

..that coincides with my post...

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

You'd better read up on this nation's founding.. then you might... might understand what this is all about.

 

[Mr Natural]

When it comes to oppression, the Feds have nothing on the locals.

 

[PredFan]

Ok well the OP has been answered. Next thread.=========>

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Jesus.. ain't that the truth sometimes. Code Enforcement here is unbearable.

 

[Stephanie]

Possibly the real issue is the breadth, scope, and intrusion of government on ones Constitutional Rights?

I guess that's something we Americans shouldn't concern ourselves with. sheesh