wholesale gov't- endorsed surveillance = "turnkey totalitarianism"?

giving up 4th Amendment rights paves way for totalitarianism?

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Gov't- endorsed surveillance by for-profit ptivate corps like Booze Allen & SAIC? According to Beatrice Edwards it does and she makes a good case.

The Gary Null Show » The Gary Null Show - Corporate Security State - 05/20/14

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Beatrice Edwards is the Executive Director and International Program Director for the Government Accountability Project in Washington DC, which works with whistleblowers from government, private corporations and international financial institutions on issues of corruption and accountability.

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***remember this is the CDZ so, no trolling/flaming :talktothehand:
 
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Billion $$$ contracts, paid-for by YOU, to undercut your rights and to profit corps that enrich the politicians they own :eusa_think:

SAIC Whistle blower Thomas Drake

Thomas Andrews Drake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the late 1990s and early 2000s, the NSA desired new tools to collect intelligence from the growing flood of information pouring out of the new digital networks like the internet. Drake became involved in the internal NSA debate between two of these tools, the Trailblazer Project and the ThinThread project. He became part of the "minority" that favored ThinThread for several reasons, including its theoretical ability to protect privacy while gathering intelligence.[15] Trailblazer, on the other hand, not only violated privacy, in violation of the Fourth Amendment, and other laws and regulations, it also required billions of dollars, dwarfing the cost of ThinThread. Drake eventually became "disillusioned, then indignant" regarding the problems he saw at the agency. Around 2000 NSA head Michael Hayden chose Trailblazer over ThinThread; ThinThread was cancelled and Trailblazer ramped up, eventually employing IBM, SAIC, Boeing, CSC, and others

WAKE UP AMERICA!!! :banghead:
 
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Top Secret America - Shh, a roundup of things we've heard ...
*Money talks -- Lockheed Martin of Bethesda spent $3.2 million lobbying Washington in the second quarter of this year.

That's down slightly from the $3.3 million Lockheed spent in the same quarter a year ago. The company is the biggest defense contractor in the country and one of the top 10 in Top Secret America, based on the number of locations where it does work.

Lockheed focused its spending on Pentagon issues dealing with "cyber security, shipbuilding, aircraft and legislation affecting overseas trade in weapons," according to an Associated Press article.
 
Well, yes and no.

You state that government endorsed surveillance by for-profit enterprise paves the way for totalitarianism and I would reply that your statement has WAY too many qualifiers.

Government surveillance PERIOD paves the way for totalitarianism. It matters not if it is done by government agency, profit seeking ventures or nonprofit seeking ventures. The information is the same and therefore the power that such information conveys is the same.
 
There was a time in which the US maintained a ban on the export of latest generation computers to many countries. This was so that the NSA would have an easier time cracking and tracking computers. When that ban went away, your right to privacy went away because it would still be in place if the NSA wasn't able to defeat current encryption.
 
Easy question. It doesn't matter whose idea it was or why they say they are doing it, it's a violation of our Constitution. Put the blame where it belongs, on government.
 
Well, yes and no.

You state that government endorsed surveillance by for-profit enterprise paves the way for totalitarianism and I would reply that your statement has WAY too many qualifiers.

Government surveillance PERIOD paves the way for totalitarianism. It matters not if it is done by government agency, profit seeking ventures or nonprofit seeking ventures. The information is the same and therefore the power that such information conveys is the same.

you are correct. I only mention them because they own most of the politicians.
 
Easy question. It doesn't matter whose idea it was or why they say they are doing it, it's a violation of our Constitution. Put the blame where it belongs, on government.

the government (politicians) work for their largest campaign contributors which would be- for-profit corps who supply them w/ cushy jobs upon their retirement or defeat.
 

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