Who wants Universal Health care--ran by our government?

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    It's clear with the Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae disasters (government run programs & government sponsored programs)--that we got a good look at how effective the Federal government has been in the mortgage loan business. (We're all paying for this huge bail-out--along with the most recent financial disaster AIG--we "us" had to loan billions too, & we've all got our fingers crossed that they will be able to pay us back).

    Now can anyone imagine what happens when the Federal government takes over health care--as Barack Obama is proposing.

    GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE SOLUTION--IT'S THE PROBLEM! "Ronald Reagan".


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    Who wants it?

    Simple

    Those who find their own responsibilities too hard... those that want someone else to blame, pat them on the back, hand them something, and say it's all better.... envious people who think they are owed something just because someone else has it, whether they earned it or not
     
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    We've got some neighbors with an Obama sign in their front yard that want government healthcare. They live in a section-8 house and sit on their front porch all the time. Trouble is, they are ALWAYS on their front proch which means they don't work. I guess they're watching the people go to work to pay for their lifestyle.
     
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    George Bush expanded gov't health care more than any pres since LBJ with the medicare drug program, now costing $60 billion a year and rising. Mac's response has been to go on about earmarks, even though all the earmarks in the budget don't add up to the expansion of medicare that's taken place under W.

    So we already have socialized medicine with medicare, medicaid, and SCHIP now accounting for $600 billion (more than the entire DoD budget with Iraq and Afghan included), and the Republicans doing nothing to stop the growth, other than talk about bridges in Alaska that would barely be rounding errors if they were built.

    I'm against socialized medicine, and therefore I'm against the GOP. If you're dumb enough to buy the small gov't rhetoric they preach, but never practice, then I feel sorry for you.
     
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    Exactly. And most of those people are senior citizens who belong to the Republican party, who scream like socialists if anyone dares to tell them that they need to pay for their own prescriptions, or that they must stop withdrawing more money from socialist security than they ever put in.
     
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    Across the country, some military quarters for wounded outpatients are in bad shape, according to interviews, Government Accountability Office reports and transcripts of congressional testimony. The mold, mice and rot of Walter Reed's Building 18 compose a familiar scenario for many soldiers back from Iraq or Afghanistan who were shipped to their home posts for treatment. Nearly 4,000 outpatients are currently in the military's Medical Holding or Medical Holdover companies, which oversee the wounded. Soldiers and veterans report bureaucratic disarray similar to Walter Reed's: indifferent, untrained staff; lost paperwork; medical appointments that drop from the computers; and long waits for consultations. Washington Post.

    Okay, you want an example of how well the government runs Universal Healthcare. Imagine this on a nationwide scale and you get some idea of Universal Health Care. Not to mention the fact, that Universal Healthcare is not some right you have because you simply suck in oxygen and take up space. All those Military men and women , and here's the key word " WORK" their collective asses off for that benefit. So now we are to give the same benefit to those that simply say, " I want it" thats the new standard?
     
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    I agree it's a disaster, so why not end the medicare drug program?
     
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    You have been misinformed that those programs were government run or owned, Oreo


     
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    Whats your issue with Medicare? You think the people that collect Social Security are a bunch of "Freeloaders"? There is a reason they call it the Social Security Trust Fund. The comparision being made between that and Universal Healthcare is completely different and I will tell you why. A. Social Security is a benefit paid at retirement after one has paid into the system for many many years. B. It is also paid to those that are disabled, however, even people that qualify for that have got to have paid into the system in order to qualify for benefits. It is a "Trust Fund" set up both for medical and retirement. Universal Health care is just that, a medical insurance program provided to EVERYONE, regardless, of age, or ability to pay. So give you an even better example, Under Social Security, my neighbors benefits are not the same as mine because both he and I paid into the the system different amounts. However, under Universal Healthcare, I would pay not only for my own, but for that person sitting on the stoop that won't get off their ass and go out and do for themselves.
     
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    Medicare may not be perfect, but it saves the lives of a lot of senior citizens who worked all their life to get to that age. It also has lower overhead costs than your private managed care companies.

    Fuck this crap about calling it socialized medicine to scare people off.

    Doctors would not work for the government. They would be paid through a single payer system where the average person would pay in less now than they are paying for current coverage.

    I also know people who have lost their jobs and their coverage. They weren't lazy welfare queens like some of you like to point out.

    50% of the frigging bankruptcies are caused by catastrophic illinesses and that is even to people with coverage.

    We have the 37th lowest health care quality in frigging world. OUr infant mortality is worse than some third world countries.

    You need to stop drinking the AMA and Right Wing Wacko Kool-Aid and do something about the 51 million "lazy" Americans who have no coverage.

    Let's also privatize Social Security like McMumblefuck wants. Wow, it would really be a great time now to have all that money tied up in private investments like Lehman, AIG, Merrill Lynch etc.

    I hate to burst your frigging bubble, but privatization is not always the best or the least costly. Something about a culture of greed sometimes gets involved.
     
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