Who is to Blame for the Government Shutdown?

[22lcidw]

This is another of those threads where the question in the title and the question in the poll are different questions!

My answer! Trump did own the shutdown. Pelosi now owns it by refusing to negotiate the wall!

This is now the Trump/McConnell shutdown. The voters agree with Pelosi not Trump.

Shut down the government until the money is approved for the wall. Enough of this. You guys just as an example support single mothers with multiple kids and multiple fathers. For decades. You destroyed the hetero family structure. Which is difficult enough without help. Who cares about the shutdown blame. Just let it continue. And then start removing government jobs. and the build the wall. And then start giving the sucker workers not privileged a real break in taxation.

 

[busybee01]

Trump will win this battle.

While democrats insist on ignoring the growing problems of deaths and drugs we’re seeing with a weak border, voters will eventually understand the importance of building a barrier.

Drugs are coming through our POEs according to the TRUMP DEA. No one is smuggling huge amounts of drugs through our borders. Voters are smarter than you or Trump are. They will never see your garbage.

 

[cnm]

This is another of those threads where the question in the title and the question in the poll are different questions!

My answer! Trump did own the shutdown. Pelosi now owns it by refusing to negotiate the wall!

Nothing changed in Pelosi's stance before or after the shutdown. Only Trump's action.

 

[busybee01]

Thats not what Drumpf claimed.

Then Dem's refused to even discuss border security and took ownership of the shutdown, try to keep up.

Spin, spin, spin, except you have it completely wrong. The Dem's didn't refuse to discuss border security. They refused to discuss Trump's wall. Trump refused to discuss border security or anything else. He just walked out.

Wall or nothing isn't the opening gambit in a negotiation.

None of your business!

It is the business of humanity when a nation treats the most vulnerable people in the world as an "invading force".

You created this narco terrorism mess in Central America, now you refuse to accept responsibility for this horror. Typical
Americans. Fuck over another country and then run from the consequences.

I created nothing you dumb Canadian!

AMERICAN DOLLARS fuel Narco-terrorism in Central America and Mexico. We need to go after these narco dollars the same way we go after terrorist funding. It is America's fault that refugees are trying to escape the drug cartels.

 

[cnm]

No skin off her ass, she’s a Canadian.

Obvious truths are obvious, even - especially - when pointed out by a Mooseknuckle.

 

[busybee01]

Trump will win this battle.

While democrats insist on ignoring the growing problems of deaths and drugs we’re seeing with a weak border, voters will eventually understand the importance of building a barrier.

The death and drugs problem is not being caused with a "weak border", and voters already understand that Trump is lying to them so he can get a "win". While Trump is going on about border security, 14,000 people died of opioid abuse. Closing the southern border, even if closing that border meant no drugs go in, will do almost nothing to stem the opioid deaths.

You should keep telling yourself whatever helps you sleep. The rest of us will keep insisting on better border security to curb the problems you clowns like to ignore.

Especially when it is the truth. Just keep it up and continue to destroy yourselves.

 

[22lcidw]

Donald Trump wants a wall. Nancy Pelosi doesn't want to give him one. Is this a sincere policy difference or just political gamesmanship?

I cannot vote because you do not have an "all of the above".

Both sides are playing a stupid game with the lives of 800,000 people living without a paycheck.

Trump had two years of full control of both the house and the senate to work on his wall and he never pushed very hard for it...but as soon as the Dems win the House it is the only thing that matters.

The Dems will not even give in on the fence they supported for 20 years, so they too are fucking over those people.

The Dems offered $25 billion for a wall in exchange for DACA nearly a year ago. The fact is that Neither Senate Republicans nor Donald Trump thought it was important until the Rush Limbaughs of the world goaded him into this. If this was that important then why did he have to be goaded into this. The Dems have to stand firm because if they give in then he run over them every year. Dems have to protect the power of the purse that the House has. Congress has ceded too much power to the Executive Branch and it has to stop.

You better talk to LBJ! That was 55 years ago. That angle is gone.

It was about 13 months ago that Democrats offered a compromise of $25 billion for the wall in exchange for DACA. You go talk to LBJ and show him what a idiot you are.

We do not know everything in that 25 billion dollar wall in that bill if true. And there are estimates of up to over 20 million illegals here. Remember, our politicians have sold out. President Obama said it is okay for men to wear dresses in public bathrooms with little girls in them. Be happy. We are still moving left no matter who promotes conservatism. You have won. And Asia laughs!

 

[BluesLegend]

Democrats own 100% of the government shutdown.

Thats not what Drumpf claimed.

Then Dem's refused to even discuss border security and took ownership of the shutdown, try to keep up.

Most Americans don't see the wall as a part of border security. This is still Trump's shutdown.

So just the DEAD Americans killed by illegals favor the wall?

 

[WillowTree]

Then Dem's refused to even discuss border security and took ownership of the shutdown, try to keep up.

Spin, spin, spin, except you have it completely wrong. The Dem's didn't refuse to discuss border security. They refused to discuss Trump's wall. Trump refused to discuss border security or anything else. He just walked out.

Wall or nothing isn't the opening gambit in a negotiation.

None of your business!

It is the business of humanity when a nation treats the most vulnerable people in the world as an "invading force".

You created this narco terrorism mess in Central America, now you refuse to accept responsibility for this horror. Typical
Americans. Fuck over another country and then run from the consequences.

I created nothing you dumb Canadian!

AMERICAN DOLLARS fuel Narco-terrorism in Central America and Mexico. We need to go after these narco dollars the same way we go after terrorist funding. It is America's fault that refugees are trying to escape the drug cartels.

You big dumbass! America is trying to stem the flow of drugs and criminals into the USA! And illegals too.