Who is Rev. Jim Wallis?

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    I just watched evangelical leader Rev. Jim Wallis talk about the health care plan.

    My jaw dropped to the floor. My eyes bugged out of my head. He must have "misspoke".

    I have never heard an evangelical talk this way. It has to be a joke.

    First, he said Jesus never healed for "profit".

    Then, he said it's the responsibility of all Christians to make sure every person in this country has health care (from an evangelical? That boggles the mind.).

    Now came the part that really shocked me. He said that the "death panels" were, now get this, "Bearing False Witness". Not only was he saying it is a lie, but he was condemning the lie with a Biblical Phrase. He was saying flat out it is against God.

    Now comes MY question. Considering this guy is the most Christian guy I have heard in 40 years, I'm talking the kind of Christian that actually talks about doing good and what's right, what do other evangelicals think about him? Is he on the "fringe" of the religious "elite"? With this kind of message, he must be hated on the right.
    Is that the case? This is a serious question.
     
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    God forbid that Christians actually care for their fellow man.

    This man is such a radical.
     
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    Actually Jim Wallis is very representative of a lot of people of faith in this nation.

    He heads the sojourners . A group of people of faith who actually live by the principals of the bible. As a offshoot of their group they offer the Red letter Christians . People of faith who actually live by Christ's words in the bible.

    They were very vocal against the war in Iraq and stand for social justice and the actual principals of Christ.

    It should come as no surprise to anybody that many people of faith are like Jim Wallis in fact if I had to bet I would say the majority are . Problem is the media only shows the fake kind of Christian on TV. You know the kind the ones that support dropping bombs on innocent children half a world away. The ones that supported Bush and his immoral war.
    Obviously such people know nothing at all about what Christ actually taught or the New Testament. But I guess like Bush they think it sounds good to call themselves Christians .
    They are not real Christians . Men like Jim Wallis are real christians who follow the actual teachings and principals Christ taught.
     
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    If he keeps talking that way, he could actually get "converts". How do you argue with such a guy?
     
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    The Christians who ran this country for so many years think Christianity means it makes you better than other people.

    Lots of fools bought in.
     
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    Many Christians believe that way. The first Christian church was like a socialist commune after all. However, other Christians believe that the Government shouldn't be used as a middle man. In other words, why send your money to the government to let them decide where it's needed? People like Rev. Jim Wallis essentially want the government to act as the head of the Christian church and provide for all people. Most conservative-leaning Christians would rather trust themselves or their church to provide for the less fortunate.
     
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    Except it hasnt worked very efficiently to help people.

    There is nothing in Christianity that says government of , for and By the people cant help.
     
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    Not true xsited.

    People of real faith, of which I can humbly call myself part of their ranks understand that if we are going to pay taxes anyway one should never oppose the money being spent in ways that Christ would approve of.

    Real people of faith by nature of Christs commandments are normally pretty educated about the teachings of the master . That education leads to education in many areas as the holy spirit call's us to learn many things to understand the teachings of the Lord. Including history. A basic knowledge of history shows that over 1700 years of well recorded history of man all we got when we did it the way conservatives want to do it was poor houses for old people that could no longer work. Industrial Orphanages for kids and early deaths for the least among us.

    Charity has never and will never come close to supplying the needs of the least among us. In fact a historical look at charity shows that the sort of Christian that Bush was and right wingers are often used the excuse of charity to abuse people. Incorrectly believing that if people were sick or down on their luck God must be punishing them , so it was okay to abuse them.

    Thus people of real faith can and must support tax dollars being used to help fulfill Christs commands to care for the fatherless, sick, and elderly among us.
    Not that that absolves us of the duty to do more .



     
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    Which is why many Christians don't trust the government with their money. Do you realize that your money was used to attack Iraq and kill tens of thousands of innocent people? I don't believe Christ would approve of that.
     
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    Christ asked us to have charity with what we have. Not with other peoples money.
     
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