Who else is excited for Rand Paul's presidency?

No one has "independent" rights when in communal contact with others in public.

An individual cannot carry his right to shoot one into public, shoot someone, and say "that is my right".

Reason stares.
 
Anyone can believe anything they like.

However, they can't let those beliefs infringe on the rights of others.

Exactly. Which is why it's crucial we have a clear understanding of the nature of rights. The notion that anyone has a 'right' to force others to do business with them isn't coherent. No one has a 'right' to be treated equally by society at large. The right to free association is, on the other hand, an inalienable right that government is constitutionally bound to protect.

Courts have found that you have a right to free association as it relates to your personal relationships. However, they do not extend that right to businesses operating in the public domain

You may not like serving blacks.....but you cannot turn them away

And the federal government was CONSTITUTIONALLY (1787) authorized to dictate and discriminate against businesses when?

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Courts have found that you have a right to free association as it relates to your personal relationships. However, they do not extend that right to businesses operating in the public domain

You may not like serving blacks.....but you cannot turn them away

Yes... I understand the law, and the courts decisions. I disagree with them. I'm happy to explain why. If you'd rather just fall back on 'my side one, get over it' - feel free.
 
It drives me insane that people are willing to argue that something is just because it is a law or in a document or whatever
 
Courts have found that you have a right to free association as it relates to your personal relationships. However, they do not extend that right to businesses operating in the public domain

You may not like serving blacks.....but you cannot turn them away

Yes... I understand the law, and the courts decisions. I disagree with them. I'm happy to explain why. If you'd rather just fall back on 'my side one, get over it' - feel free.

There was no "LAW" and those individuals were not judges within the meaning of Article III.

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No one has "independent" rights when in communal contact with others in public.

An individual cannot carry his right to shoot one into public, shoot someone, and say "that is my right".

Reason stares.

But of course we're not talking about shooting someone - which is an obvious violation of their rights. We're talking about the freedom to choose who you associate with.
 
No one has "independent" rights when in communal contact with others in public.

An individual cannot carry his right to shoot one into public, shoot someone, and say "that is my right".

Reason stares.

But of course we're not talking about shooting someone - which is an obvious violation of their rights. We're talking about the freedom to choose who you associate with.

Comrade Starkey is a socialist. Hence he believes that ONLY the Politburo is authorized to grant rights.

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How can you be excited for a Rand presidency when he has as much experience as Obama had when he was elected? Simply because of his last name?

The earliest Rand could run is in 2016, when he would have more experience. Regardless, if experience is what you're going for, Obama has more experience as President than Romney does.

I disagree. Romney has economic experience that actually produces results.

The economic experience that Romney has is outsourcing jobs as a business man and being 47th of 50 in job creation as governor.

Yeah... those are results alright.
 
Took me less than a week to realize intelligent conversation with señor Starkey is impossible.


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Took me less than a week to realize intelligent conversation with señor Starkey is impossible.

That's not bad.

I actually don't think Starkey is stupid. But he's also not the 'moderate' he claims. Seems pretty radically authoritarian from what I've seen.
 
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Took me less than a week to realize intelligent conversation with señor Starkey is impossible.

That's not bad.

I actually don't think Starkey is stupid. But he's also not the 'moderate' he claims. Seems pretty radically authoritarian from what I've seen.

Yeah seemed slow to me. He's very authoritarian, as if people have only the rights government grants them (as if liberty can come from goverenment lulz)
 
Took me less than a week to realize intelligent conversation with señor Starkey is impossible.

That's not bad.

I actually don't think Starkey is stupid. But he's also not the 'moderate' he claims. Seems pretty radically authoritarian from what I've seen.

Yeah seemed slow to me. He's very authoritarian, as if people have only the rights government grants them (as if liberty can come from goverenment lulz)

That' typical.

...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....


Benito Mussolini


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...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....


Benito Mussolini

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I can't really see Starkey disagreeing with this. Whadya say Jake? Does Benito have it right?
 
The deciding factor is the representative legislature of We the People assembled, not the war lords of the 'socieites of equals' who will oppress the people.

Libertarianism will oppress the people as surely as did the communists, whom you guys idolize for the power of the cadres.
 
The deciding factor is the representative legislature of We the People assembled, not the war lords of the 'socieites of equals' who will oppress the people.

Libertarianism will oppress the people as surely as did the communists, whom you guys idolize for the power of the cadres.

Sure ... right. Your buddy Benito was no libertarian.
 
Exactly. Which is why it's crucial we have a clear understanding of the nature of rights. The notion that anyone has a 'right' to force others to do business with them isn't coherent. No one has a 'right' to be treated equally by society at large. The right to free association is, on the other hand, an inalienable right that government is constitutionally bound to protect.

Courts have found that you have a right to free association as it relates to your personal relationships. However, they do not extend that right to businesses operating in the public domain

You may not like serving blacks.....but you cannot turn them away

And the federal government was CONSTITUTIONALLY (1787) authorized to dictate and discriminate against businesses when?

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The CONSTITUTION established a Judicial Branch to decide the scope and applicability of your CONSTITUTIONAL rights. Your rights are determined in a court of law, not on a political message board
 
The deciding factor is the representative legislature of We the People assembled, not the war lords of the 'socieites of equals' who will oppress the people.

Libertarianism will oppress the people as surely as did the communists, whom you guys idolize for the power of the cadres.

Excuse moi Vern, but you are a tad incoherent.

Explain how libertarianism will oppress....

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Courts have found that you have a right to free association as it relates to your personal relationships. However, they do not extend that right to businesses operating in the public domain

You may not like serving blacks.....but you cannot turn them away

And the federal government was CONSTITUTIONALLY (1787) authorized to dictate and discriminate against businesses when?

.

The CONSTITUTION established a Judicial Branch to decide the scope and applicability of your CONSTITUTIONAL rights. Your rights are determined in a court of law, not on a political message board

True, an Article III Judicial branch was established.

Unfortunately , the same was abolished circa 1935.

Now we merely have impostors collecting a steady check and enjoying their Federal Blue Cross/Blue Shield. We are on our own.

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And the federal government was CONSTITUTIONALLY (1787) authorized to dictate and discriminate against businesses when?

.

The CONSTITUTION established a Judicial Branch to decide the scope and applicability of your CONSTITUTIONAL rights. Your rights are determined in a court of law, not on a political message board

True, an Article III Judicial branch was established.

Unfortunately , the same was abolished circa 1935.

Now we merely have impostors collecting a steady check and enjoying their Federal Blue Cross/Blue Shield. We are on our own.

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More Libertarian hogwash

We are more free today than in any time in our history. We have our judicial system to thank for that.
 

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