Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: It is not really about recognition -
.................... It is not really about the map -
⁜→. et al,

That Palestinian map is geographically correct.

(Ω∑)

We all know that whatever the Arab Palestinian say concerning the political existence of Israel, it is independent of recognition by the Arab Palestinians. And we all know that by convention, recognition is unconditional and irrevocable.

We all know that any propaganda for armed struggle or conflict shall be prohibited by law.

We all know that any advocacy of national, racial, or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.

Arab Palestinians who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm Israelis (the Occupying Power), constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the Israelis force or administration, nor a grave collective danger, International Humanitarian Law shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

We all know that any seriously damage the to property of the Israelis or

We all know that any seriously damage the installations used by them, shall be liable to prosecution under International Humanitarian Law.

We all know that the Israelis may impose the penalties up to and including capital punishment on a Arab Palestinians only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Israeli forces are punishable by International Humanitarian Law.

I know that, on many occasions in the discussion, Pro-Palestinians and anti-Israeli activists have attempted to suggest that incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence is lawful by the Arab Palestinians. That is simply NOT TRUE. We all know that by Covent and Convention, a regime of universal jurisdiction over the unlawful and intentional use of explosives and other lethal devices in, into, or against various defined public places with intent to kill or cause serious bodily injury, or with intent to cause extensive destruction of the public place.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

Palestinian Islamic Scholar Yousef Makharzah: Europeans Practice Bestiality, Sleep With Animals More Than With Humans; Western Civilization Is Inferior, Asinine, Racist​

Palestinian Islamic Scholar Yousef Makharzah: Europeans Practice Bestiality, Sleep With Animals More Than With Humans; Western Civilization Is Inferior, Asinine, Racist

Palestinian Islamic scholar Yousef Makharzah said in a March 6, 2022 speech that aired on the Hizb-ut-Tahrir-affiliated ...

www.memri.org

I read the words, “Pally Islamic cleric”, and immediately thought, “Oh no. This is going to be bad”.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: It is not really about recognition -
.................... It is not really about the map -
⁜→. et al,

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(Ω∑)

We all know that whatever the Arab Palestinian say concerning the political existence of Israel, it is independent of recognition by the Arab Palestinians. And we all know that by convention, recognition is unconditional and irrevocable.

We all know that any propaganda for armed struggle or conflict shall be prohibited by law.

We all know that any advocacy of national, racial, or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.

Arab Palestinians who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm Israelis (the Occupying Power), constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the Israelis force or administration, nor a grave collective danger, International Humanitarian Law shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

We all know that any seriously damage the to property of the Israelis or

We all know that any seriously damage the installations used by them, shall be liable to prosecution under International Humanitarian Law.

We all know that the Israelis may impose the penalties up to and including capital punishment on a Arab Palestinians only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Israeli forces are punishable by International Humanitarian Law.

I know that, on many occasions in the discussion, Pro-Palestinians and anti-Israeli activists have attempted to suggest that incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence is lawful by the Arab Palestinians. That is simply NOT TRUE. We all know that by Covent and Convention, a regime of universal jurisdiction over the unlawful and intentional use of explosives and other lethal devices in, into, or against various defined public places with intent to kill or cause serious bodily injury, or with intent to cause extensive destruction of the public place.

Most Respectfully,
R

Funny, with all of Israel's bitching and whining, no Palestinian has ever been taken to the Hague.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And we all know that by convention, recognition is unconditional and irrevocable.

Israel and the US have recognized Palestine

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: International Court System
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Funny, with all of Israel's bitching and whining, no Palestinian has ever been taken to the Hague.

(COMMENT)

To the best of my knowledge, the Israelis have seldom (if ever) used the international court system. Now, others have used the International Court System to penalize Israel. I think the last time was the Dispute Resolution Settlement over the confrontation of the Freedom Flotilla trying to break through the Gaza Strip Blockade.

But I've never heard of Israel going to the International System on a complaint/dispute. I think the Israelis tend to use their domestic legal system. I doubt as to whether I will ever see the Israelis attempt to use the International System. That system has become very politicalized. It's not about right 'vs' wrong or fair hearing processes when it comes to anything involving the Israelis.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: International Court System
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This is a trick question.

Israel and the US have recognized Palestine

(COMMENT)

Of course the Oslo Accords recognized the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). Of course the vast majority of the world has recognized the ground truth relative to the State of Palestine as it actually exists. And of course there is the recognition of the Palestinian Authority. The question comes to be: Just What does the Sovereignty of the State of Palestine consist?

But as to the question of recognition, hell yes. There is something out there. The Donor Nations and the Diplomatic agency of well over 130 countries have recognized some form of "Palestine." BUT, many of the nations actually (to be more specific) recognize the Declaration of Independence of the State of Palestine, formally and unanimously adopted on 15 November 1988 by the Palestine National Council; Yassar Arafat, as Chairman of the PLO became the first "President of Palestine."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

Israel and the US have recognized Palestine

I thought Pal’istan was recognized as a “country” when it was invented in 1924 by the Treaty of Lausanne. It was later re-invented, again, in the late 1960’s by Yassir Arafat.

 

[P F Tinmore]

But I've never heard of Israel going to the International System on a complaint/dispute. I think the Israelis tend to use their domestic legal system.

Indeed, Israel prefers its own kangaroo court system that has an almost 100% conviction rate. Usually the defendant is coerced into a plea deal where they confess to "something." Then, of course. the next time they get busted they are "repeat offenders."

The US and Israel share a lot in their legal systems.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Arab TV channels compete to offer TV series that run during the month of Ramadan, often playing every night - 30 episodes.

Islamic Jihad's media arm has created its own Ramadan series, extolling last September's prison break from Gilboa prison through a tunnel.

Four of them were captured within days when Israeli Arabs called police. They tried to get help from other Israeli Arabs and were refused.

Two of them were caught after four days. Two more were caught on the fifth day. And the last two were caught about a week later.

All of them remain in prison, with little chance of being released.

What a victory!

Yet not only are they heroes to Islamic Jihad (five of them belonged to that terror group,) but they are somehow stretching those facts over 30 episodes!

Dramatic music can only go so far.

Gaza terrorists produce 30 episode Ramadan series about the short-lived escape from Gilboa prison

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

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[Sixties Fan]

Four residents of East Jerusalem were indicted Friday over alleged ties to Hamas, with police prosecutors charging some to have planned attacks in the coming month after conducting weapons training and meetings with terror group officials in Turkey.

Following a lengthy joint investigation with the Shin Bet security agency, police said three of the suspects — a family from Sur Baher — were detained upon their entry to Israel last month.

A fourth suspect — a resident of Beit Hanina — was also arrested, with 500,000 NIS (approximately $155,000) in cash, vehicles, and other assets seized, as well as the freezing of bank accounts belonging to a charitable organization.


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4 East Jerusalem residents charged with Hamas ties, planning attacks during Ramadan

Prosecutors accuse Sur Baher man of contact with terror group officials, conducting weapons training in Turkey; orphan charity allegedly funneled money for terror purposes

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[P F Tinmore]

But as to the question of recognition, hell yes.

I have posted so much about this but you just blow it off and revert back to Israeli bullshit.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I think the last time was the Dispute Resolution Settlement over the confrontation of the Freedom Flotilla trying to break through the Gaza Strip Blockade.

That was crazy. I believe that the court said that since "only" 10 people were killed it did not raise to the level of a crime.

Also, one of those killed was a US citizen. Yet there was not a peep out of any of Israel's lackeys in our government.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: The Accusation Does NOT pass the SMELL TEST
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Cash-Strapped PA Increases ‘Salary’ of Terrorist Who Killed Israeli Kids​

Israeli watchdog reports massive increase in payments to all jailed terrorists, despite Palestinian economic crisis
By Israel Today Staff | July 11, 2019 | Topics: palestinians

Note: The average wage of West Bank Palestinians has estimated $554 to $615.

Indeed, Israel prefers its own kangaroo court system that has an almost 100% conviction rate. Usually the defendant is coerced into a plea deal where they confess to "something." Then, of course. the next time they get busted they are "repeat offenders."

The US and Israel share a lot in their legal systems.

(COMMENT)

According to the report, a month's stipend for a jailed terrorist can be up to $3,470 a month. (JP DEC 2020)

United with Israel​

The Global Movement for Israel ™​

(19 JUN 2017)​

Since its establishment, the Palestinian Authority (PA) has been paying stipends to Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli jails, both past and present, as well as to the wounded and the families of individuals “martyred,” or killed, while carrying out attacks against Israelis.​

(WHAT IS THE CONNECTION)

The Arab Palestinians WANT TO confess. There is no need for a Kangaroo Court. Such an allegation is without merit. By going to prison, the Palestinian Authority pays the terrorist 3 times the average wage to go to prison for an attack. That is a major source of income and a valid career opportunity in the eyes of the Hostile Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Oxford Union is a platform to debate different ideas. You would expect a Palestinian Arab to stand up and criticize Israel; to demonize the Jewish state. But Mudar Zahran had other plans. At this Oxford debate, he did something different. He told the world the truth. Mudar criticized the Palestinian Arab leaders and Jordan for the way they treat their own people. He condemned the lies they spread. And it was absolutely amazing to listen to! Hopefully, more people like Zahran will be able to publicly stand up and say what he said. He made peace feel possible. He made it feel closer than ever before.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Oxford Union is a platform to debate different ideas. You would expect a Palestinian Arab to stand up and criticize Israel; to demonize the Jewish state. But Mudar Zahran had other plans. At this Oxford debate, he did something different. He told the world the truth. Mudar criticized the Palestinian Arab leaders and Jordan for the way they treat their own people. He condemned the lies they spread. And it was absolutely amazing to listen to! Hopefully, more people like Zahran will be able to publicly stand up and say what he said. He made peace feel possible. He made it feel closer than ever before.

The question should not be “Has the Arab World Failed the Palestinian People?” It should be "How did the Arab world get the job of cleaning up after Israel?"

 

[Sixties Fan]

Commentary's Jonathan Marks has a review of "The Trials of Rasmea Odeh," where he summarizes a book by Steven Lubet that examines the evidence that Odeh was guilty of both lying on her immigration form to the US as well as of murder of two Israeli Jews in 1968.

Not surprisingly to those of us who have followed the cases, Lubet shows that she is guilty on all counts.

Here is a summary of the summary:

First, Odeh was guilty of the crime to which she pleaded guilty: “procuring citizenship contrary to law.” She falsely denied, in writing and in person, being arrested, convicted, and jailed in Israel. That lie, without which she would not have obtained citizenship, was illegal. After her grudging plea was accepted, Odeh rushed to the courthouse steps to take it back in the presence of her fans. But Lubet shows that Odeh pleaded out for a good reason, namely, the weakness of her defense.

At trial, Odeh claimed that she misread her naturalization application, which asked such unambiguous questions as “Have you EVER been convicted of any crime or offense.” That boldfaced, capitalized “ever,” she said, referred only to convictions in the United States, she had thought. The official who conducted her naturalization interview testified to having clarified, as a routine practice, that the word “ever” included “anywhere in the world.” Odeh asserted that the official never did so, which is why she reaffirmed, under oath and line by line, the lies in her application.

Lubet then demolishes the claims that Odeh didn't know enough English in her 1994 visa application where she wrote the same lie (she took English in school and college materials were in English) and that her supposed PTSD didn't allow her to admit to being arrested (she clearly talks about her arrest all the time.)

Lubet then proves that the accusation that the judges were biased are completely unfounded; and he impressively shows how they bent over backwards to allow her defense.

Then:

Rasmea Odeh was guilty of the crimes she lied about, including her participation in the operation that killed Edward Joffe and Leon Kanner. Lubet counts the ways in which this should be ob-vious. Both of the women who worked with Odeh and planted the bombs have implicated her in the operation, not under duress but during interviews with friendly interlocutors. In one such interview, Odeh herself sits, smiling and denying nothing, as her accomplice thanks her for “dragging [her] into military work.” After Odeh went to prison, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) named a hijacking unit after her and made her release a high priority. Odeh, who portrayed herself to “European and American audiences” as an innocent victim caught up in an Israeli dragnet, told a sympathetic interviewer that she was a member of PFLP’s central committee, and she gave several “Arabic-language television interviews recounting her involvement in ‘military work,’” a euphemism for the PFLP’s attacks on civilians. And why not? Before she came to the United States, Odeh was celebrated in the Arab world.

Lubet finds it credible that Odeh was tortured; Israeli laws against that weren't solidified for years afterwards. But if she admitted anything under torture, it was the truth.

The people who demanded "justice for Rasmea" got exactly what they asked for.


(full article online)

Yes, of course Rasmea Odeh is guilty - of everything

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

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[Sixties Fan]

Palestinian Islamic scholar Yousef Makharzah said in an October 5, 2021 Quran lesson that aired on Al-Waqiyah TV (Lebanon) that the Quran says that men are "preferable" to women. He explained that although it is possible for an individual woman to be better than an individual man, some of the "most obvious features" that demonstrate men's superiority are their superior strength, patience, toughness, bravery, and willingness and ability to travel and fight. In contrast, he said, women are better at caring for children.

In a subsequent lesson, which aired on October 12, 2021, Sheikh Makharzah said that if a man's wife disobeys him, he should immediately address the issue rather than wait until she "destroys" his honor. He said that the man should address the issue even if this leads to beating his wife, and that he should divorce her if he fails to "straighten her out." For more about Sheikh Makharzah, see MEMRI TV Clips nos. 7849, no. 8500, no. 8557, no. 8877, no. 9207, and no. 9356.

To view the clip of Yousef Mekharzah on MEMRI TV, click here or below.

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Palestinian Islamic Scholar Yousef Makharzah: Don't Let Your Disobedient Wife Destroy Your Honor – Beat Her If You Must; Men Are Inherently Superior To Women

Palestinian Islamic scholar Yousef Makharzah said in an October 5, 2021 Quran lesson that aired on Al-Waqiyah TV (Lebanon) that the Quran says that men are "preferable" to women. He explained that although it is possible for an individual woman to be better than an individual man, some of the...

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[P F Tinmore]

LINDA SARSOUR SPEECH AT "NOT BACKING DOWN" PALESTINIAN RIGHTS PANEL AT UMASS​

 

[Hollie]

I’m afraid we’re approaching that time of year again, the holy month of islamic terrorism.

https://www.israelhayom.com/2022/03/18/countdown-to-ramadan-attacks/

"The four terrorist attacks that took place in and around Jerusalem this week – two stabbing incidents in Hizmeh and two more stabbing incidents at Temple Mount gates – could be a preview of another bloody month like the Ramadan months we've seen here in the past decades," senior security officials warned.

 

[Sixties Fan]

“Working together, IRS, HSI, and FBI agents tracked and seized all 150 cryptocurrency accounts that laundered funds to and from the al-Qassam Brigades’ (Hamas) accounts,” the statement said.

However, despite DOJ’s actions, Hamas has reorganized and resumed its online campaign to raise funds via cryptocurrency. Since the DOJ’s operation, Hamas has posted four notices to its online followers directing them to a website ending in “.ps” that was established after the DOJ seized the previous domain in 2020.

FDD’s Long War Journal has been tracking the use of cryptocurrency by several Palestinian militant organizations since 2020.

In Dec. 2021, Liwa al-Tawhid, a suborganization of al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades, posted a message instructing its online followers to “contribute to equipping a mujahid in occupied Palestine” by donating bitcoin to an address established by the organization. [See FDD’s Long War Journal: Gaza Militant Group Raises Funds via Cryptocurrency for Jihad Against Israel.]

Although there has not been further action by the DOJ since the 2020 operation, the Israeli government has taken measures to curb Hamas’ illicit online financial network.

In July 2021, Israel’s Defense Minister Benny Gantz ordered the seizure of a “web of electronic wallets” used by Hamas to fund its operations. Later in Feb. 2022, the Israeli government targeted Hamas again when it orderedthe seizure of “30 cryptocurrency wallets from 12 accounts, owned by an exchange company based in the Gaza Strip.”

Given the evidence of Hamas’ recent activities, it appears the organization is a step ahead of efforts by the DOJ, Israel and social media companies to block access or dismantle its online financial network and those affiliated with it.

(full article online)

Hamas’ Illicit Bitcoin Network Continues to Operate Despite DOJ Seizure | FDD's Long War Journal

Despite the DOJ and Israeli government efforts to curb Hamas' cryptocurrency network, the organization continues to solicit donations online from its supporters.

www.longwarjournal.org