Who are the Israelis?

Israel: The Settlements Are Not Illegal
The annexation of lands in Judea and Samaria is not contrary to international law
by Michael Calvo
May 19, 2020 at 5:00 am

  • Indigenous peoples have the right to the lands, territories and resources which they have traditionally owned, occupied or otherwise used or acquired (Art. 26.1) and that the exercise of these rights shall be free from discrimination of any kind (Art. 2). — UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP), adopted by the UN General Assembly on September 13, 2007.
  • Among others, Belgium, Britain, France, Germany, Israel and Luxembourg voted in favor of the Declaration. Since 2007, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United States, who voted against, formally endorsed the Declaration in 2010. In their relations with Israel, these states cannot claim that the Declaration does not apply to Israeli Jews, since such position would amount to blatant racial discrimination.
  • t cannot seriously be contended, as the EU, France, Britain, Russia, China and other states do, that Israeli settlements in the West Bank are illegal and that annexation is contrary to international law. This position is political, not legal.
    [*]Article 80 of the United Nations Charter (1945) recognized the validity of existing rights that states and peoples acquired under the various mandates, including the British Mandate for Palestine (1922), and the rights of Jews to settle in the Land of Palestine (Judea-Samaria) by virtue of these instruments. (Pr. E. Rostow). These rights cannot be altered by the UN.
    [*]"Except as may be agreed upon in individual trusteeship agreements...nothing in this Charter shall be construed in or of itself to alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or any peoples or the terms of existing international instruments to which Members of the United Nations may respectively be parties." — Article 80, paragraph 1, UN Charter)
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According to international law, the Jews are the indigenous people of the lands referred to as Judea, Samaria, Palestine, Israel and the Holy Land. Jewish rights of "settlement" in the so-called "West Bank" therefore exist; it cannot seriously be contended, as the EU, France, Britain, Russia, China and other states do, that Jewish communities in the West Bank are illegal and that annexation is contrary to international law. Pictured: The Israeli settlement of Maale Adumim, at the edge of the Judean Desert. (Photo by Hazem Bader/AFP via Getty Images)

 
Age of consent
The gross underestimation of older people and their ability to determine their own fates was strong in Israel long before COVID - 19.
Illustrative. (iStock)
Illustrative. (iStock)

They are too old; it is for their own protection:

Age of consent

Frankly, I can't understand her.

Of course the virus regulations put a specific emphasis on elderly people.
But the restrictions were not based on age rather than on home units.
If the elders live with the children all those were irrelevant.

My grandparents went shopping and around the town with all the precautions.
but I couldn't visit them, a 20 minute drive, as much as my friends living on the same street.

Rabbi Litzman and PM Netanyahu who made those decisions are in their 8th decade.

Maybe I'm missing something... :rolleyes:
 
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RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ Mindful, et al,

BLUF: Many people believe this "headline Bumper Sticker." They are easily fooled if they are susceptible and unsuspecting of political propaganda.


Israel: The Settlements Are Not Illegal
The annexation of lands in Judea and Samaria is not contrary to international law

  • Indigenous peoples have the right to the lands, territories and resources which they have traditionally owned, occupied or otherwise used or acquired (Art. 26.1) and that the exercise of these rights shall be free from discrimination of any kind (Art. 2). — UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP), adopted by the UN General Assembly on September 13, 2007.
(COMMENT)

This is misdirection. The "Headline Bumpersticker" says "illegal" - implying that there is law behind it. And then they cite two passages from the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP). The clear implication here is that the UNDRIP is law. It is not. General Assembly Resolutions are not law.
  • Among others, Belgium, Britain, France, Germany, Israel and Luxembourg voted in favor of the Declaration. Since 2007, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United States, who voted against, formally endorsed the Declaration in 2010. In their relations with Israel, these states cannot claim that the Declaration does not apply to Israeli Jews, since such position would amount to blatant racial discrimination.
(COMMENT)

Here again, the implication is that Israel is denying some law (which it is not). It also implies that there is some sort of "discrimination involved. Again, not so. They are directly citing "racial discrimination" on the part of the Jewish People. There is no "blatant racial discrimination" here. In fact, the Israelis are not denying the Arab Palestinians any rights whatsoever.
  • t cannot seriously be contended, as the EU, France, Britain, Russia, China and other states do, that Israeli settlements in the West Bank are illegal and that annexation is contrary to international law. This position is political, not legal.
    [*]Article 80 of the United Nations Charter (1945) recognized the validity of existing rights that states and peoples acquired under the various mandates, including the British Mandate for Palestine (1922), and the rights of Jews to settle in the Land of Palestine (Judea-Samaria) by virtue of these instruments. (Pr. E. Rostow). These rights cannot be altered by the UN.
    [*]"Except as may be agreed upon in individual trusteeship agreements...nothing in this Charter shall be construed in or of itself to alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or any peoples or the terms of existing international instruments to which Members of the United Nations may respectively be parties." — Article 80, paragraph 1, UN Charter)
(COMMENT)

Article 80 of the UN Charter is relative to the "International Trustee System." This disputed territory in the former Mandate of Palestine was short-stopped Arab League Intervention (not to mention the Arab Higher Committees rejection of participation in self-governing institutions) and has undergone so many transitions that to claim a violation of the trusteeship, is rediculous. The UN less than a dozen such trusteeships in place. None of them are in the Middle East. (See: UN Documentation: Trusteeship Council)

◈ Western Samoa;​
◈ Tanganyika;​
◈ Rwanda-Urundi;​
◈ Cameroons under British administration;​
◈ Cameroons under French administration;​
◈ Togoland under British administration;​
◈ Togoland under French administration;​
◈ New Guinea;​
◈ Nauru;​
◈ Strategic Trust Territory/ Trust territory of the Pacific Islands;​
◈ Italian Somaliland;​

This is what my parents called the "flim-flam" approach (swindle, fraud, or confidence game) that counts on a very few taking the time to look for the truth or fact check.

[quote"Chapter XII • International Trustee System"]
Article 80
  1. Except as may be agreed upon in individual trusteeship agreements, made under Articles 77, 79, and 81, placing each territory under the trusteeship system, and until such agreements have been concluded, nothing in this Chapter shall be construed in or of itself to alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or any peoples or the terms of existing international instruments to which Members of the United Nations may respectively be parties.
  2. Paragraph 1 of this Article shall not be interpreted as giving grounds for delay or postponement of the negotiation and conclusion of agreements for placing mandated and other territories under the trusteeship system as provided for in Article 77.[/quote]
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Most Respectfully,
R
 
Does the Jewish indigenous claim to Israel help their case?

Ollie discusses the big issues and challenges surrounding Israel, Zionism and the Middle-East conflict with Charlotte Korchak - Senior Educator at StandWithUs.


 
Jerusalem Day: Virtual tour for those living abroad

In light of the Coronavirus, a virtual tour in Jerusalem on Jerusalem Day will be available for those living outside of Israel.

In light of the Coronavirus, a virtual tour in Jerusalem on Jerusalem Day will be available for those living outside of Israel on Thursday,May 21st.

This year's Jerusalem Day will be celebrated differently from past years. Thousands of people from all over the world who used to visit the Western Wall, the old city, the market and the old neighborhoods of Jerusalem on this festive day will be unable to attend this year due to restrictions imposed by Israel's Ministry of Health regarding meetings with many people in light of the Coronavirus and the impossibility of tourists to come to Israel.

Following a joint venture between the World Zionist Organization and B'nai B'rith International a special festive opportunity will be available to tour Jerusalem.

A virtual live broadcast lasting three hours from special sites in Jerusalem, alongside stories of heritage and interviews with those who fought in the Six Day War of June 1967.The event will be broadcast here on Arutz Sheva on Thursday 21st May 2020 between 2pm and 5 pm Israel time.

The virtual broadcast will be led by two guides who will lead the tours in English and will begin in the courtyard of the National Institutions in Jerusalem. Following this Yaakov Hagoel vice and acting chairman of the World Zionist Organization and Alan Schneider director of the B'nai B'rith World Center in Jerusalem who initiated this event, will deliver greetings.

The virtual tour will continue in the neighborhood of Rehavia,Tzahal (IDF)Square ,Mamilla, Jaffa Gate, The Jewish Quarter, Mount of Olives, Golden Gate, the Monument of the Injured Bird, Lions Gate, The Photographer's House Observation Point and the Little Kotel.The tour will conclude with singing and the blowing of the shofar in the courtyard of the Western Wall.

Yaakov Hagoel vice and acting chairman of the World Zionist Organization said:

"As is written in the Talmud , 'Ten cubits of beauty fell upon the world, nine of them on Jerusalem' and on Jerusalem Day we see the beauty of the city in all its glory. In order for those in the diaspora who are unable to feel Jerusalem physically on this special day, in the re establishment of the State of Israel, we have designed a unique live tour that will make available,to our viewers, if not to smell Jerusalem and its fragrances and pure air, then at least to see the pastoral views and stories of the heritage of Jerusalem our eternal Capital, on this day that we mark the reunification of Jerusalem for eternity as the capital of the Jewish People and those in the diaspora."

Alan Schneider, Director, B'nai B'rith World Center Jerusalem: "B'nai B'rith began its activities in Eretz Israel in Jerusalem in 1888 with the purpose of creating a union to promote the concept of Jewish nationalism and countering missionary activities. It is active until today and is among the Zionist Organizations that are members of the World Zionist Organization. Jerusalem Day is a significant watershed that signals the return of the Jewish People to ancestral places and that is celebrated in the shadow of the continuing struggle over Israeli sovereignty in its capital city. By way of the tour we wish to provide an opportunity for members of B'nai B'rith around the world and to our brothers and sisters in Jewish communities to experience this exciting city that the Jewish People have prayed for throughout so many generations."


 
Historic and once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to redeem more homes in Jerusalem.

Ateret Cohanim, which is leading the fight for redemption of homes in Jerusalem, is launching a wide-scope fundraising campaign.


Jerusalem Day is going to be different this year. Every year, residents of the Jewish Old City, those who live in the Jewish Quarter and those who live in the other quarters, inside and out of the City walls, are happy to see those tens of thousands of people who come to get excited and relive the miracle of the liberation of Jerusalem back then in the Six Day War, a miracle that Jews have dreamed of for many generations.

This year it will be different. The Coronavirus and social distancing changed the picture. The streets will remain relatively empty and the celebration will not be complete without the thousands of children and youth filling the streets waving Israeli flags.

But precisely because of this and precisely now, against the backdrop of the Coronavirus epidemic and the global economic crisis "We have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to redeem more homes in the Old City of Jerusalem and bring new momentum to the Jerusalem rebuilding project", say the people of Ateret between connection and continuity more streets and areas, and settle more new families in the different neighborhoods inside the walls of the Old City and those outside the wall, east of it. Especially on Jerusalem Day this year, we invite you to take part and join our annual fundraising day." This coming Jerusalem Day, the 20-22 of May, we will connect and recruit the entire nation of Israel and raise half a million NIS together.

Ateret Cohanim, headed by Mati Dan, was founded more than 40 years ago and has been involved in land redemption and home-buying in the Old City and other neighborhoods east of it. The association renovates these houses and repopulates them with Jewish families. Thanks to this activity, these areas are currently inhabited by hundreds of Jewish families and thousands of people. Together they create a Jewish settlement sequence in the area. Along with educational institutions and

Yeshivot established by Ateret Cohanim, you can already hear in the area the sound of Torah learning, as well as the sound of Jewish children playing.

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As part of the Magen Yerushalayim (Jerusalem Shield) project, the association has established in East Jerusalem and in areas near the Old City new Jewish neighborhoods and many Jewish outposts. Jewish life can be found in Abu-Tor, in the Yemenite village in Shiloah (Silwan), in Ma'aleh HaZeitim om the Mount of Olives, in Kidmat Zion and in Sheikh Jarrah (Shimon HaTzaddik). All this is done with the aim of creating a settlement sequence that would prevent dividing this city again.

"The task is particularly heavy these days", Say the people of Ateret Cohanim. "We are fighting for the future identity of Jerusalem, when alongside the Trump plan, the Palestinian Authority is making great efforts to block the possibility of us building homes and living freely in our capital.

Come take part with us in fulfilling the prophecy: "For G-d has comforted Zion, comforted all her ruins".

We have 48 hours. Let's do it, for Jerusalem.

 
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Ateret Cohanim Documentary - 'In the Palm of Their Hands'

"In the Palms of their Hands" is the video presented at the annual Yom Yerushalayim Dinner of American Friends of Ateret Cohanim. This video documentary produced under the direction of Danny Finkelman of Sparks Next, follows two women who live in the "Old City" and the Yemenite Village (today referred to as East Jerusalem and Silwan). It shows their commitment to Jerusalem as the eternal capital of the Jewish people.

 
119 'Olim from Ethiopia will arrive to Israel on a special flight

119 immigrants from Ethiopia will arrive in Israel on a special flight of the Ministry of Immigration and Absorption and the Jewish Agency on Thursday. Upon their arrival, they will be welcomed by Pnina Tamano - Shetah the minister of Immigration and Absorption and Itzhak Herzog chairman of the Jewish Agency.

Symbolically, the 'Olim will fulfill their dream of immigrating to Israel on 'Jerusalem Day'
and on the day of the commemoration of Ethiopian Jews who perished on their way to Israel. In accordance with the instructions of the authorities, after landing, the immigrants will receive a home-provided accommodation in a designated hostel prepared for them in the northern part of the country.

During the isolation days, they will be accompanied by Jewish Agency staff who will assist them as needed and then integrate into absorption centers throughout the country.

Anniversary of Ethiopian Jews who perished on their way to Israel is commemorated every year in memory of thousands of community members who did not survive the difficult journey to Israel in the 1980s and perished in roads and waiting camps in Sudan. The Memorial Day was held in parallel with Jerusalem Day, as a symbol of Ethiopian Jews' special connection to Jerusalem and the longing to reach her.

Immigration and Absorption minister Pnina Tamano Shateh: "This week, 111 immigrants from Ukraine and 41 immigrants from Moscow also arrived. That the government should emphasize the issue of immigration and absorption and will work diligently to increase immigration from all countries in the world and the successful absorption of immigrants and that this is one of the basic principles of the new government. "

The arrival of the immigrants was made possible despite the land and air restrictions, thanks to the special preparation of the Jewish Agency that leased a special aircraft to bring them to Israel and the Ministry of Immigration and Absorption conducted according to the restrictions. This is the second group to emerge from Ethiopia since the outbreak of the Corona crisis following the government's decision last February to raise 400 community members. The previous group of 72 immigrants who arrived in Israel towards the end of March, was absorbed after the isolation period in the north and south of the country.

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JERUSALEM -When Jesse Michael Kramer was hospitalized with coronavirus, he realized as soon as the doctor in the spacesuit introduced himself that it would be a rare encounter.

Kramer is an Israeli ultra-Orthodox Jew; Fadi Kharouf is a Palestinian Muslim.

"Fadi, it's an Arab name," Kramer, 75, said as he recalled his time at Jerusalem's Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital, once he was back home convalescing in the ultra-Orthodox neighborhood he seldom leaves. "He was very good to me."

Such unlikely meetings have become more commonplace after the pandemic struck with particular fury in Jerusalem's most insular and religious Jewish enclaves, just a few miles - but cultural light-years - from the Arab neighborhoods where Kharouf and other Palestinian physicians and nurses live.


The pandemic has created a bridge between their worlds. Hundreds of Jewish covid-19 patients are being treated by Arab practitioners they might never meet outside the hospital. Sick Palestinians are getting care from Jewish medical staff they might otherwise avoid.
 
Shlomah Gronich and Shva - Journey to the Land of Israel

The moon is watching above
On by beck a bag of poor food
The desert below me no end in front
And my mother promises to my little brothers
"Soon in a little bit, to raise the feet
A last effort before Yerushalayim"

Moonlight hold strong
Our beg of food is lost
The desert doesn't end
Cries of jackals
An my mother calms down my little brothers
"Soon in a little bit, soon we are redeemed
We won't stop walking to the Land of Israel"

And at night robbers have attacked
With a knife also with a sharp sword
In the desert the blood of my mother the moon is my witness
And I promise to my little brothers
"Soon in a little bit, the dream becomes real,
Soon we reach the Land of Israel"

On the moon the image of my mother
Looking at me, mother don't disappear
Would she be by my side
She could convince them that I'm a Jew
Soon in a little bit, soon we are redeemed
Last effort before Yerushalyim

 
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JERUSALEM -When Jesse Michael Kramer was hospitalized with coronavirus, he realized as soon as the doctor in the spacesuit introduced himself that it would be a rare encounter.

Kramer is an Israeli ultra-Orthodox Jew; Fadi Kharouf is a Palestinian Muslim.

"Fadi, it's an Arab name," Kramer, 75, said as he recalled his time at Jerusalem's Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital, once he was back home convalescing in the ultra-Orthodox neighborhood he seldom leaves. "He was very good to me."

Such unlikely meetings have become more commonplace after the pandemic struck with particular fury in Jerusalem's most insular and religious Jewish enclaves, just a few miles - but cultural light-years - from the Arab neighborhoods where Kharouf and other Palestinian physicians and nurses live.


The pandemic has created a bridge between their worlds. Hundreds of Jewish covid-19 patients are being treated by Arab practitioners they might never meet outside the hospital. Sick Palestinians are getting care from Jewish medical staff they might otherwise avoid.
All over the world the governments are out of step with their people.
 

JERUSALEM -When Jesse Michael Kramer was hospitalized with coronavirus, he realized as soon as the doctor in the spacesuit introduced himself that it would be a rare encounter.

Kramer is an Israeli ultra-Orthodox Jew; Fadi Kharouf is a Palestinian Muslim.

"Fadi, it's an Arab name," Kramer, 75, said as he recalled his time at Jerusalem's Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital, once he was back home convalescing in the ultra-Orthodox neighborhood he seldom leaves. "He was very good to me."

Such unlikely meetings have become more commonplace after the pandemic struck with particular fury in Jerusalem's most insular and religious Jewish enclaves, just a few miles - but cultural light-years - from the Arab neighborhoods where Kharouf and other Palestinian physicians and nurses live.


The pandemic has created a bridge between their worlds. Hundreds of Jewish covid-19 patients are being treated by Arab practitioners they might never meet outside the hospital. Sick Palestinians are getting care from Jewish medical staff they might otherwise avoid.
All over the world the governments are out of step with their people.

Like the Orthodox Jews and Arab Muslim MK's, who manage to see beyond rhetoric
and actually work together in the Israeli parliament?
That's not news...well maybe to you.

Jewish Orthodox parties always have a strong support from Arab electorate.
 
Israel's 35th government sworn in – This Week in 60s

This week's news summary from Israel and the Middle East

 
RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I admit I'm out of sync here. What is your context and intent?

All over the world the governments are out of step with their people.
(COMMENT)

I would consider this a positive sign pertaining to the practice of medicine in a secular manner.
• Do you not see it that way?​
• Do you see harm or reason why it should not be that way?​

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Most Respectfully,
R
 
RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I admit I'm out of sync here. What is your context and intent?

All over the world the governments are out of step with their people.
(COMMENT)

I would consider this a positive sign pertaining to the practice of medicine in a secular manner.
• Do you not see it that way?​
• Do you see harm or reason why it should not be that way?​

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Most Respectfully,
R
I just wonder what it would be like if the Israel government did not have a settler colonial policy.
 

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