CDZ White Nationalism; what it is, what drives it and how to render it harmless

[FA_Q2]

Elect conservatives. Get liberals out of teaching and end the campus professoriate indoctrination of the youth.

But not just any conservatives; we need conservatives AND LIBERALS who still believe in individualism, personal freedom and the right of free speech.

Agreed, but what passes for Liberalism these days is more about statism than individuality. They lean heavily toward a socialist hive mentality.

I would add that what passes for conservatism these days is also stateism. One look at Bush's 8 years in office (particularly those ones where there was one party control) shows the real face that the republican party has placed on modern conservatism.

We will see over the next 4-8 years if there has been an actual shift back to what conservatism is supposed to represent rather than what it was but I am not very confident that there is going to be much change for the better. While Trump was taking the presidential election by storm, the same congressmen were reelected with the same platforms.

 

[FA_Q2]

You can do a lot if you dont ignore them. Of course it wont stop them but it will give them pause. Back when everyone ignored them they felt they had carte blanche and lynched, raped, sexually molested and bombed Black people with impunity.

That's not what I mean, monitor the hate groups (of all stripes), but ignore their "rhetoric and propaganda" from a media standpoint. Doesn't mean be aware, doesn't mean ignore their potential for violence just means ignore their "voice".

If you ignore their voice then people (normal people) dont hear what they are saying and it becomes underground and harder to track. I think they should be spotlighted as much as possible so my people dont get the illusion that all is well.

Yeah but unfortunately that approach also does three other things, helps gain converts, eventually desensitizes people and can be (and has been for a while) used politically as a generalized weapon by some groups and certain people to demonize as a political ploy.

It is better to be aware of and track a larger group than to sit blindly while a smaller group moves unseen.

Not quite following what solutions people are offering here. Obviously criminal racism, just like any other crime, must be stopped and offenders punished. OTOH, as Ringel posted, this shit is going to happen. 320M people and one dumbass psycho murders 9 Christians. Certainly a tragedy, but nothing to panic over.

The real problem here can be found in the commonality of all mass shootings: mental health care. All of them were nut jobs allowed to run free.

Mental Illness Common Thread for Mass Shootings
As the nation mourns the tremendous loss of life in Charleston, South Carolina, from another mass shooting, details of what drove someone to commit this terrible act remain elusive. But if history is any indication, the shooter most likely has a history of severe mental health issues that have either gone untreated or undiagnosed....

Charleston: Why didn't anyone help Dylann Roof?
Dylann Roof, who allegedly shot and killed nine people at the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, S.C., last week, showed all the signs of severe and worsening mental illness.

We know, of course, that Roof expressed hateful white supremacist opinion. But we also know that psychiatrically ill people can channel their paranoia or depression or extreme self-loathing into bizarre beliefs that sometimes lead to the destruction of others. Those beliefs can look just like intense hatred — of a particular person or a whole race of people.

Yes, mental illness is a common thread - it has to be. By definition you have to be nuts when you kill multiple people in cold blood. It usually builds to that as well. There is a real problem dealing with illness of that sort though - there is a fine line between the government stopping these people from 'running free' and the government violating our basic (and protected) rights.

These shootings bring big headlines but, as you pointed out, 9 people out of 20 million is not something that needs a major solution. Mass shooting and nut cases killing people because they are lacking mental care is pretty damn rare and, IMHO, not at a point where we should be sacrificing our rights to solve.

 

[Divine Wind]

Elect conservatives. Get liberals out of teaching and end the campus professoriate indoctrination of the youth.

But not just any conservatives; we need conservatives AND LIBERALS who still believe in individualism, personal freedom and the right of free speech.

Agreed, but what passes for Liberalism these days is more about statism than individuality. They lean heavily toward a socialist hive mentality.

I would add that what passes for conservatism these days is also stateism. One look at Bush's 8 years in office (particularly those ones where there was one party control) shows the real face that the republican party has placed on modern conservatism.

We will see over the next 4-8 years if there has been an actual shift back to what conservatism is supposed to represent rather than what it was but I am not very confident that there is going to be much change for the better. While Trump was taking the presidential election by storm, the same congressmen were reelected with the same platforms.

Agreed. As both parties have moved toward their extremes, they've also moved toward greater authoritarianism.

 

[JimBowie1958]

We will see over the next 4-8 years if there has been an actual shift back to what conservatism is supposed to represent rather than what it was but I am not very confident that there is going to be much change for the better. While Trump was taking the presidential election by storm, the same congressmen were reelected with the same platforms.

And they rode Trumps coat tails; most who rebuked him lost and those who did not speak ill of him won pretty much. Ayote being a key example.

 

[koshergrl]

White Nationalism is a broad range of ideas that center along the lines of two concepts: 1) Whites need to be allowed to embrace being white and advocate their own interests (like Samual Francis did) and 2) the core cultural ethnicity that gave us the United States of America is predominately British and when that group is no longer in control the USA will become something not the USA as we know it (the Obama Regime being a small glimpse into the future).

Many prefer the term "racial Realism", which I think is a bit of a different thing altogether. But here it is expressed fairly concisely.
Water-Cooler White Nationalism - American Renaissance

For decades, race realists, paleoconservatives, white nationalists, or white advocates–my preferred term–have known the score. Races are inherently different. These differences make any multiracial society an ungovernable mess. We’d all be better off living separately, or at least acknowledging racial differences and allowing for them in public policy. Open immigration, affirmative action, color-blindness, forced diversity, heavy government spending–all these policies are bound to fail, because equality can’t be legislated.

And, finally: Whites are a bona fide group with the right to associate among themselves in all aspects of life (including governance), to exclude others, and to determine their own destiny.​

That last line is particularly interesting as it is simply a common line from Identity Politics used by minorities to demand a separate group of facilities, college dorms, radio stations and other media and prom graduations, etc. The only difference is it is applied to white people too.

The New York Times prefers a rendition that is more comprehensible through the current multicultural filters:

White nationalism, he said, is the belief that national identity should be built around white ethnicity, and that white people should therefore maintain both a demographic majority and dominance of the nation’s culture and public life.

So, like white supremacy, white nationalism places the interests of white people over those of other racial groups. White supremacists and white nationalists both believe that racial discrimination should be incorporated into law and policy.

Some will see the distinction between white nationalism and white supremacy as a semantic sleight of hand. But although many white supremacists are also white nationalists, and vice versa, Professor Kaufmann says the terms are not synonyms: White supremacy is based on a racist belief that white people are innately superior to people of other races; white nationalism is about maintaining political and economic dominance, not just a numerical majority or cultural hegemony.

For a long time, he said, white nationalism was less an ideology than the default presumption of American life. Until quite recently, white Americans could easily see the nation as essentially an extension of their own ethnic group.

But the country’s changing demographics, the civil rights movement and a push for multiculturalism in many quarters mean that white Americans are now confronting the prospect of a nation that is no longer built solely around their own identity.​

And that last sentence conveys only a partial truth, White Nationalism is also being driven by the lefts indifference toward white interests and equality and has even moved increasingly toward an open hostility and war on whiteness itself.

Here, for example, in this Roland Martin clip (around 3:35) Roland acts incredulous that any whites could think that they are ever the victims of racial discrimination in the work force, despite the facts that make it plain it is real. His disparaging comment hinges on the idea that whites claim that anti-white discrimination is EQUAL to what blacks put up with, which no rational person claims it to be.

But it is real and most whites will admit in private that it is equally BAD to be allowed into our judicial and legal system. We know it is there in the form of racial set aside laws for government contracts, the displacement of the 'Reasonable Person' perspective in our courts with a 'reasonable minority' perspective instead, formally giving unearned points on civil service exams, and the disguised quota systems that many businesses and colleges use to discriminate against whites who are very often more qualified than the minorities that get the slot.

The left is not OK with a co-existence with white people either; white people must be undefined, deracinated and eradicated demographically as well. The left openly attacks whites, especially white males as the source of all evil on the planet and accuses whites of planning to commit genocide on blacks, thus justifying a pre-emptive genocide of whites, despite the fact that literally hundreds of thousands of white men died to give black slaves their freedom.

This hostility toward whites gives white people pause, of course, when looking at the coming minority status that white people are supposedly facing. How can whites trust people on the left to look after their interests when the left fights tooth and nail to continue legal discrimination against whites and tolerates and even promotes those on the left who call for open warfare against whites? As this coming minority status looms, of course whites are going to start speaking out in their own defense and look for politicians to do the same. They will do this in a number of ways, but one thing is certain; if the Democratic Party continues to harbor anti-white racism in the name of Multiculturalism then the Democratic Party is doomed for permanent Third Party status.

Now, before one can ask how can White Nationalism be rendered harmless, one might first ask how to eradicate it, but that wont happen. The Identity Politics movement has inadvertently given the White Nationalists their best arguments and legal routes to power. All that has to happen is for the courts and general consensus to change a bit and allow whites a place at the Multicultural dinner table, and with each death of the race guilt ridden WW2 white generation, the inevitability of white resurgence grows apparent to those with their eyes wide open.

After that it is all over because whites are not going to become a minority here in the USA, not ever. The heralded Hispanic Reconquista is not going to happen because 1) as Hispanics achieve success they assimilate into regular white Americans and they vote that way, as the last election demonstrated, and 2) the Robotics Revolution is about to destroy the entry level labor jobs that lower income Hispanics and other immigrants have been depending on to establish a foothold in our country. Whites will stay the majority for the foreseeable future unless the Oligarchs decide to perform a culling of the human herd, which is not good for anyone.

So the White Nationalist movement can only be rendered harmless, and that can be achieved by 1) ending the antiwhite rhetoric from the left and 2) giving white nationalists a seat at the multicultural table to allay their fears. Now the racists on the left that deeply hate whites with a seething rage that they can barely contain and their Marxist allies are not going to be able to do this. They have far too much invested into a perpetual war on whites until whites are extinct and they also dominate academia in the humanities departments, and, given the ties between those departments and the Democratic Party, it will take a lot of work to remold the Democratic Party and its satellite movements into something that the White Nationalists can no longer use to recruit more of their own into their movement.

But if they made acceptance into the ongoing multicultural network dependent on white nationalists changing their goals in two respects, they can make WNs a workable part of their ethnic networks by demanding WNs; 1) End their call for legal discrimination against minorities and 2) stop attacking minorities with various stereotypes and make their pitch along more positive pro-white lines without the anti-other rhetoric, and the other minority groups within the Multicultural network will do the same. Again, this would be very difficult for the Dems to pull off due to their heavy presence of white hating Marxists and Black Nationalists, Gender War Feminists and Hispanic Reconquista groups. But it can be done and needs to be done to save the Democratic Party from disaster. Otherwise, white working class people are not going to be able to trust the left on racial issues ever again, especially after the example of a black President that could not accept his white half of his heritage and only spoke of himself as a black person.

Another broader means of making White Nationalists less harmful to the American political and justice system is to use civic nationalism as a replacement for ethnic nationalism. Now while this is virtually impossible for the Democrats to do, it will be quite harmonious with the Republican party and its various groups. And I think civic nationalism will be ascendant for the next couple of decades in the GOP and it will make them thrive, especially inold former Democrat Rust Belt states.

The coming hard times for the Democrats will leave them with only one choice; engage a moderate white nationalist movement among its other ethnic cultural groups or be the Third Party it seems fated to be anyway.

Shut the fuck up and stop bombarding us with garbage from fake news sites please.

 

[koshergrl]

Elect conservatives. Get liberals out of teaching and end the campus professoriate indoctrination of the youth.

But not just any conservatives; we need conservatives AND LIBERALS who still believe in individualism, personal freedom and the right of free speech.

Agreed, but what passes for Liberalism these days is more about statism than individuality. They lean heavily toward a socialist hive mentality.

I would add that what passes for conservatism these days is also stateism. One look at Bush's 8 years in office (particularly those ones where there was one party control) shows the real face that the republican party has placed on modern conservatism.

We will see over the next 4-8 years if there has been an actual shift back to what conservatism is supposed to represent rather than what it was but I am not very confident that there is going to be much change for the better. While Trump was taking the presidential election by storm, the same congressmen were reelected with the same platforms.

Agreed. As both parties have moved toward their extremes, they've also moved toward greater authoritarianism.

Our party hasn't moved anywhere towards right wing extremism.

It has, however, moved significantly towards left wing extremism.

 

[Bush92]

Elect conservatives. Get liberals out of teaching and end the campus professoriate indoctrination of the youth.

But not just any conservatives; we need conservatives AND LIBERALS who still believe in individualism, personal freedom and the right of free speech.

Agreed, but what passes for Liberalism these days is more about statism than individuality. They lean heavily toward a socialist hive mentality.

I would add that what passes for conservatism these days is also stateism. One look at Bush's 8 years in office (particularly those ones where there was one party control) shows the real face that the republican party has placed on modern conservatism.

We will see over the next 4-8 years if there has been an actual shift back to what conservatism is supposed to represent rather than what it was but I am not very confident that there is going to be much change for the better. While Trump was taking the presidential election by storm, the same congressmen were reelected with the same platforms.

Agreed. As both parties have moved toward their extremes, they've also moved toward greater authoritarianism.

The new spectrum
Socialist aka Democrats..........................................Moderates...Republicans.
Far Left................................................Left...................Center............................Right

 

[Divine Wind]

Our party hasn't moved anywhere towards right wing extremism.

It has, however, moved significantly towards left wing extremism.

I can see why those who became politically aware after 1995 would think so but those who grew up with Barry "Mr. Conservative" Goldwater disagree. In today's politically extreme RNC, even Nixon and Reagan would be considered "RINOs".

 

[FA_Q2]

We will see over the next 4-8 years if there has been an actual shift back to what conservatism is supposed to represent rather than what it was but I am not very confident that there is going to be much change for the better. While Trump was taking the presidential election by storm, the same congressmen were reelected with the same platforms.

And they rode Trumps coat tails; most who rebuked him lost and those who did not speak ill of him won pretty much. Ayote being a key example.

Not really:
Reelection Rates Over the Years | OpenSecrets

90 percent in the senate and 97 percent in the house. That was the reelection rate. I do not remember over 90% of the republicans backing Trump at all.

 

[Divine Wind]

Elect conservatives. Get liberals out of teaching and end the campus professoriate indoctrination of the youth.

But not just any conservatives; we need conservatives AND LIBERALS who still believe in individualism, personal freedom and the right of free speech.

Agreed, but what passes for Liberalism these days is more about statism than individuality. They lean heavily toward a socialist hive mentality.

I would add that what passes for conservatism these days is also stateism. One look at Bush's 8 years in office (particularly those ones where there was one party control) shows the real face that the republican party has placed on modern conservatism.

We will see over the next 4-8 years if there has been an actual shift back to what conservatism is supposed to represent rather than what it was but I am not very confident that there is going to be much change for the better. While Trump was taking the presidential election by storm, the same congressmen were reelected with the same platforms.

Agreed. As both parties have moved toward their extremes, they've also moved toward greater authoritarianism.

The new spectrum
Socialist aka Democrats..........................................Moderates...Republicans.
Far Left................................................Left...................Center............................Right

That's not a denial that the RNC, like the DNC, has moved towards greater authoritarianism.

 

[9thIDdoc]

"White nationalism" is a BS term invented by racists for propaganda purposes.

 

[Divine Wind]

"White nationalism" is a BS term invented by racists for propaganda purposes.

Agreed. "White nationalism" and "White Pride" sounds better than KKK, Aryan Brotherhood, White Supremacist, Master Race, etc.

 

[JimBowie1958]

 

[JimBowie1958]

"White nationalism" is a BS term invented by racists for propaganda purposes.

Actually they call themselves that, mostly.

What they mean by it is that the USA as a nation is dependent on the white race to remain what America is and without white predominately European populations dominating the US, the USA would dissolve into a Balkanized pile of chaos like the Austrian Empire did.

Others that call themselves white nationalists think that the white race has every right to be part of the Identity Politics system and represent their own race like blacks and Asians do.

But basically anyone today that dares to defend the interests of the predominate white middle class is now called a white nationalist as a smear campaign.

So you are correct about the last group, but not about the first two.

 

[9thIDdoc]

"White nationalism" is a BS term invented by racists for propaganda purposes.

Actually they call themselves that, mostly.

What they mean by it is that the USA as a nation is dependent on the white race to remain what America is and without white predominately European populations dominating the US, the USA would dissolve into a Balkanized pile of chaos like the Austrian Empire did.

Others that call themselves white nationalists think that the white race has every right to be part of the Identity Politics system and represent their own race like blacks and Asians do.

But basically anyone today that dares to defend the interests of the predominate white middle class is now called a white nationalist as a smear campaign.

So you are correct about the last group, but not about the first two.

Disagree. Nationalist is synonymous with patriot. I am a white nationalist because I am a patriotic American who happens to be white. That's what it means. That's ALL that it means and attempts to make it mean something else-for whatever reason-are simply incorrect. Propaganda for one reason or another. Usually racial or political.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Disagree. Nationalist is synonymous with patriot. I am a white nationalist because I am a patriotic American who happens to be white. That's what it means. That's ALL that it means and attempts to make it mean something else-for whatever reason-are simply incorrect. Propaganda for one reason or another. Usually racial or political.

Yes, "white nationalist" means what you said, but "White Nationalist" (note the caps) is a proper noun and there fore means a specific thing, kind of like 'conservative funding' vrs 'Conservatives funding', you know.

 

[sakinago]

....Socialism is trying to get rid of all social classes while racism is based on one race being considered the rightful owners of all opportunity and resources.

Another definition is simply dividing people by race such as segregationists, Affirmative Action supporters, etc. It's simply discrimination or prejudice based on skin tone.

Racial profiling is wrong when it comes to law enforcement, terrorism, etc. but ok when it comes to affirmative action

Just goes to show racial equality is not the goal

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[Picaro]

Whatever the definition, 'White Nationalism' is a media fiction and practically non-existent in real life; they are a very small demographic and dwarfed by black racist groups and latino racist groups like La Raza, the latter two also receive massive amounts of money every year from our own govt. to promote racism and violence. 'White nationalism' isn't a real problem, it's just a media tool for hacks who don't have any real issues to peddle.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Whatever the definition, 'White Nationalism' is a media fiction and practically non-existent in real life; they are a very small demographic and dwarfed by black racist groups and latino racist groups like La Raza, the latter two also receive massive amounts of money every year from our own govt. to promote racism and violence. 'White nationalism' isn't a real problem, it's just a media tool for hacks who don't have any real issues to peddle.

Samuel Francis used to be a columnist for the Washington Times and many consider Pat Buchanan to be a WN and JAred Taylor openly admits to being WN.

A publication titled 'American Renaissance' has been influential among White Nationalists and has held bi-annual conferences until 2010 when leftwing protests and terrorist threats got it cancelled.
American Renaissance (magazine) - Wikipedia
American Renaissance, the New Century Foundation, or Taylor have had links with organizations such as the Council of Conservative Citizens, the Pioneer Fund, and the British National Party. Don Black and David Duke have attended AR conferences and have been seen talking with Taylor.[10][11] The organization has held bi-annual conferences that are open to the public and that attract 200–300 people. Critics say some who attend are neo-Nazis, white nationalists, white separatists, Holocaust deniers, and eugenicists.[12]

Attendees of AmRen conferences have included: Richard B. Spencer, Joseph Sobran, Michael H. Hart, Paul Gottfried, Glayde Whitney, Frank Borzellieri, Robert Weissberg, Dan Roodt, Guillaume Faye, Drew Fraser, Fred Reed, James Edwards, Alex Kurtagic, Merlin Miller, John Derbyshire, Michael Levin, Nick Griffin, Bruno Gollnisch, J. Philippe Rushton, Glenn Spencer, Lawrence Auster, Richard Lynn, and Samuel T. Francis.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but White Nationalism is indeed very real.

 

[Picaro]

Whatever the definition, 'White Nationalism' is a media fiction and practically non-existent in real life; they are a very small demographic and dwarfed by black racist groups and latino racist groups like La Raza, the latter two also receive massive amounts of money every year from our own govt. to promote racism and violence. 'White nationalism' isn't a real problem, it's just a media tool for hacks who don't have any real issues to peddle.

Samuel Francis used to be a columnist for the Washington Times and many consider Pat Buchanan to be a WN and JAred Taylor openly admits to being WN.

A publication titled 'American Renaissance' has been influential among White Nationalists and has held bi-annual conferences until 2010 when leftwing protests and terrorist threats got it cancelled.
American Renaissance (magazine) - Wikipedia
American Renaissance, the New Century Foundation, or Taylor have had links with organizations such as the Council of Conservative Citizens, the Pioneer Fund, and the British National Party. Don Black and David Duke have attended AR conferences and have been seen talking with Taylor.[10][11] The organization has held bi-annual conferences that are open to the public and that attract 200–300 people. Critics say some who attend are neo-Nazis, white nationalists, white separatists, Holocaust deniers, and eugenicists.[12]

Attendees of AmRen conferences have included: Richard B. Spencer, Joseph Sobran, Michael H. Hart, Paul Gottfried, Glayde Whitney, Frank Borzellieri, Robert Weissberg, Dan Roodt, Guillaume Faye, Drew Fraser, Fred Reed, James Edwards, Alex Kurtagic, Merlin Miller, John Derbyshire, Michael Levin, Nick Griffin, Bruno Gollnisch, J. Philippe Rushton, Glenn Spencer, Lawrence Auster, Richard Lynn, and Samuel T. Francis.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but White Nationalism is indeed very real.

I'm familiar with all of those, and I've read a couple of Taylor's books. Sorry to bust your bubble but the size of their followings is statistically insignificant compared to the black racist and latino racist groups in numbers and especially funding. Many groups that get categorized as white nationalists are less racist than the majority of black and latino groups to boot, and don't even qualify as 'racist' by modern standards, just as conservatives. Lumping them all together might make them look like some big 'movement' for tabloid media scare stories and the like, but few of them are remotely the same as some skinhead gang just running around looking for fights or have anything in common with Frazier Glenn Miller.

If you want to have some fun compare Jared Taylor's writing with Obama's buddy the Rev. Wright's 'sermons, the ones Obama claims he never heard and of course never read any of the literature in the lobby either over some 20 years of attendance, sitting in the front row with his children.

Pat Buchanan is a conservative Catholic, which is why the tabloid left likes to lump him in with with the rest.