I understand full well that nothing pulls extremist automatons from all sides out of the woodwork faster than an abortion thread, but since we now have a clean debate forum I'm going to try anyway. I ask that if you wish to participate in this debate you first concede the following two points: 1) Aborting a fetus within a week of conception is not murdering a child. 2) Aborting a fetus after 8 months of gestation, that could survive outside the womb, is murdering a child. The debate I'm interested in is where between point 1 and point 2 should that line be drawn? At what point in the pregnancy has the mother forfeited the right to 'choose' so to speak?