Where should the line be drawn on abortion?

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    I understand full well that nothing pulls extremist automatons from all sides out of the woodwork faster than an abortion thread, but since we now have a clean debate forum I'm going to try anyway.

    I ask that if you wish to participate in this debate you first concede the following two points:

    1) Aborting a fetus within a week of conception is not murdering a child.

    2) Aborting a fetus after 8 months of gestation, that could survive outside the womb, is murdering a child.

    The debate I'm interested in is where between point 1 and point 2 should that line be drawn? At what point in the pregnancy has the mother forfeited the right to 'choose' so to speak?
     
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    I always fight for the woman's right to choose, but.

    *and it's a huge butt*

    ........... IF I were to travel back in time 35 years and find myself in those shoes again, I would say the point of no return is what's known as 'quickening', i.e., when the mother can sense the baby moving. I would say other than that, mid point second trimester. So that's what; 18 weeks?

    Edited to reflect: This is precluding finding out further in the pregnancy that there are significant health risks to mother and/or child.
     
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    Prior to 20 weeks gestation, abortion is not murder; after 24 weeks, abortion should be illegal. 20-24 weeks is a gray area for me. At 24 weeks, most fetuses can survive outside the womb with medical intervention, and at that point, I think the fetus's budding personhood trumps the mother's right to avoid being inconvenienced or harmed by the pregnancy.
     
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    I've read both your edits and have chosen to let my 'thanks' stand. :)
     
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    Heartbeat


    period
     
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    According to one resource I read, the heartbeat starts at 18 days gestation in an unborn child.

    As far as above 2 parameters are concerned, I am precluded from expressing any opinion that I may have on this delicate subject on both of the two counts.

    Sorry.
     
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    Hmmm? :eusa_think:

    About how far along does that happen? (I know I should remember :redface:).
     
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    I'm pretty heavily biased in the matter, too.

    But I honestly feel that the heartbeat makes it a Life and, as such, should be the line.

    :cool:
     
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    I agree... after 4 months a woman should know if she wants to carry a child to term or not.
     
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    Becki says 18 days, but IDK either, for certain.

    Google ranges from 18 days to 6 weeks

    *shrug*
     

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