YoungRepublican
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I haven't confused you with anyone. I merely pointed out what passes for "core values" for today's Republican Party. I did question your insistence on an "attachment" to a political party that is determined to harm this country.
Data proves that since Reagan, "fiscal responsibility" is nothing Republicans believe in. Under Democrats, deficits shrink and the economy improves and the number of jobs have grown. The only similarity between the country and a company his how each improves and grows with "investment". Republicans don't believe in investing in this country. At least not since Eisenhower. Under Eisenhower, NASA was started. One of the greatest centers of scientific advancement ever created. Also, the interstate highway system, the lifeblood of the country.
In the middle 60's, Conservatives fled the Democratic Party and swelled the ranks of the Republican Party because many African Americans joined the Democratic Party. Today's Republicans try to take credit for what Republicans did BEFORE conservatives took it over. Today's Republican party is 90% white.
Unions represent a measly 10% or so of all American workers. Republicans want to end the minimum wage. Right wing colleges and universities, like Bob Jones and Liberty, are rated at no more than tier four. The Chinese funded Chamber of Commerce, who gives to Republicans 10 to 1 over Democrats, has helped move millions of jobs to China and close thousands of US factories under George Bush.
The last 40 years has seen a Republican Party that has lied to the American people, caused the deaths and maiming of tens of thousands of Americans, grew our deficit, wrecked our economy and neglected our infrastructure.
And if you think Republicans value education, you need to do a little research. Short answer is: They don't.
And finally, this a a complex world. The US has been the leaders in science and technology. We have the greatest variety of people that has ever existed. You can't name a country in the world that doesn't have sizable representation in this country. And yet, we want a "simple, small, ineffective government"? That's crazy. We need a government that works. One that is advanced with smart people in charge. Bush shows us what happens when people in charge of the government are stupid. Scientists who worked for Bush quit in droves because of his policies. Bush fired the qualified at the Justice Department and replaced them with Bible College students. Bush tried to get his secretary confirmed on the Supreme Court.
If anyone wants a discussion, come up with a Republican idea or policy in the last 40 years that is something worth talking about. Not these scripted sound bytes like, "Unions are bad" and "shrink government".
The goal can't be "shrink government". It has to be "good government" but as small as possible. But it has to work. If it doesn't work, who cares what the size is?
And finally, other country see "government, business and Universities" as working together. Republicans hate government, say universities are hotbeds of liberalism and want to turn over the country to corporations. al Qaeda hasn't been able to inflict a tenth the damage the Republicans have caused since 2000.
At least Democrats are a coalition party made up of everyone. Even conservatives (called Blue Dawgs). Republicans are 90% white. They have zero liberals.
I'm not sure if you have been viewing liberal policy in European countries lately or if you need a refresher course in economics. Heres my problem with you. I present my position that most would see as reasonable, and you arent even able to acknowledge my willingness to compromise with you. I do not want a smaller govt, I want a government that does not pass a 700 trillion dollar stimulus package loaded with pork belly spending. Before you go and say "we needed that!" no shit we needed a stimulus, want to be Chris Matthews, but we needed it to spend such a large amount of tax payer money (you know those people that work in offices, schools and small business) more responsibly. You know what Im talking about so dont waste either of our times with asking for me to post the multiple sources I would have to, to prove a point everyone who knows anything is already aware of. When did I ever say I attended a right wing university, now your just throwing out insults to pad your self-ingenious rant about how the party ruined America, we get it Michael Moore we are evil people. Has it ever crossed your mind that I am in full support of Nasa and infrastructure that can be paid for from money that isnt borrowed? Simple and small is not what I believe our country needs, we need one that is effective and understands it role. Hey man if you want to go off on your elitist, Im better than you because I am a democrat rant go ahead, but you are just being as unproductive as the republicans you claim to crusade against. I really dont get it. You keep waiting for everyone to see the light and become a democrat where ponies run free and everyone loves each other, Im going to continue to have rational conservative opinions on fiscal responsibility and social freedoms from an effective government and hope to work with those with opposing opinions. You see that is the difference between you and I, when you talk politics people groan and say oh there he goes again, but when I talk politics to others no matter what that persons views are, we are usually able to have an adult debate where some result can be reached. Unless I am talking to a person like you, and the sad part is, both Republican and Democrat, there are plenty of yous. People who think that their opinion is Gods gift to politics. Until you realize what your type of person is doing to this country please dont respond, if you want to have a big boy conversataion then come back to me with some actual substance.
700 trillion? I'm hoping that's a "typo". You know Republicans insisted Obama took a trip costing 200 million a DAY and used half our Navy for escort?
Once you start throwing out "liberal European" and "elitist", you prove the propaganda has "took". How can you have a discussion when, clearly, you can't get passed the indoctrination?
All companies "borrow". The company I work at "borrows". And you tell me I need to learn about economics?
The truth is, no right wing college is higher than tier four. It's because they don't believe in science or data or study. They get their imagined facts from the Heritage Foundation. Intelligent people would study the data and debate on what it means. Republicans don't use data. And the "data" they do use is made up. Which means they don't use data.
And speaking of "rant", check your entire rant and point out the "substance". I didn't see any.
And about that infrastructure. Every country on earth uses infrastructure spending to improve their country and boost their economy. Even Republicans have always done that. The ONLY reason they don't want to do it now is they were hoping to bring down Obama. You can go state by state and see who received infrastructure money and what it was spent on. You will find over a hundred Republican senators and congressmen receiving hundreds of billions and spending it on everything from sewers to railroads to bridges to broadband and then taking credit for projects they voted against. We call that "hypocrisy".
If you're going to play with the big boys, you better find some facts and "LINK TO THEM". No one takes anyone's word without some support. Right wingers call me names, but they don't prove me wrong. Unless they make something up and insist that was something I said. That's been tried numerous times. What else do they have?
I am far from the propaganda, trust me.
-700 is the correct number if you would like to check the stimulus bill again go ahead, I have had that number well drilled into my head.
-Where did i mention anything about a 200 million dollar a day trip? Dont insult my intelligence by clumping me with those who make wild accusations.
- Liberal economics doesnt correctly represent Greek enconomics? I'm an econ major and have a fairly good deal of knowledge on the subject.
did you read any of what I said? I clearly stated infastructure was needed, but it cant be thrown around without the money to back it up. Thats what we call responsible spending.
- You attack me without basis or claim. You have fallen into the liberal lie that all Republicans are the same, and that is sad. If you want to play with the big boys, you better find actual instinces where I dont at the very least make a sound response or opinion.