Where is our party going? A young republicans views on the world. Agree or disagree.

[YoungRepublican]

I haven't confused you with anyone. I merely pointed out what passes for "core values" for today's Republican Party. I did question your insistence on an "attachment" to a political party that is determined to harm this country.

Data proves that since Reagan, "fiscal responsibility" is nothing Republicans believe in. Under Democrats, deficits shrink and the economy improves and the number of jobs have grown. The only similarity between the country and a company his how each improves and grows with "investment". Republicans don't believe in investing in this country. At least not since Eisenhower. Under Eisenhower, NASA was started. One of the greatest centers of scientific advancement ever created. Also, the interstate highway system, the lifeblood of the country.

In the middle 60's, Conservatives fled the Democratic Party and swelled the ranks of the Republican Party because many African Americans joined the Democratic Party. Today's Republicans try to take credit for what Republicans did BEFORE conservatives took it over. Today's Republican party is 90% white.

Unions represent a measly 10% or so of all American workers. Republicans want to end the minimum wage. Right wing colleges and universities, like Bob Jones and Liberty, are rated at no more than tier four. The Chinese funded Chamber of Commerce, who gives to Republicans 10 to 1 over Democrats, has helped move millions of jobs to China and close thousands of US factories under George Bush.

The last 40 years has seen a Republican Party that has lied to the American people, caused the deaths and maiming of tens of thousands of Americans, grew our deficit, wrecked our economy and neglected our infrastructure.

And if you think Republicans value education, you need to do a little research. Short answer is: They don't.

And finally, this a a complex world. The US has been the leaders in science and technology. We have the greatest variety of people that has ever existed. You can't name a country in the world that doesn't have sizable representation in this country. And yet, we want a "simple, small, ineffective government"? That's crazy. We need a government that works. One that is advanced with smart people in charge. Bush shows us what happens when people in charge of the government are stupid. Scientists who worked for Bush quit in droves because of his policies. Bush fired the qualified at the Justice Department and replaced them with Bible College students. Bush tried to get his secretary confirmed on the Supreme Court.

If anyone wants a discussion, come up with a Republican idea or policy in the last 40 years that is something worth talking about. Not these scripted sound bytes like, "Unions are bad" and "shrink government".

The goal can't be "shrink government". It has to be "good government" but as small as possible. But it has to work. If it doesn't work, who cares what the size is?

And finally, other country see "government, business and Universities" as working together. Republicans hate government, say universities are hotbeds of liberalism and want to turn over the country to corporations. al Qaeda hasn't been able to inflict a tenth the damage the Republicans have caused since 2000.

At least Democrats are a coalition party made up of everyone. Even conservatives (called Blue Dawgs). Republicans are 90% white. They have zero liberals.

I'm not sure if you have been viewing liberal policy in European countries lately or if you need a refresher course in economics. Here’s my problem with you. I present my position that most would see as reasonable, and you aren’t even able to acknowledge my willingness to compromise with you. I do not want a smaller govt, I want a government that does not pass a 700 trillion dollar stimulus package loaded with pork belly spending. Before you go and say "we needed that!" no shit we needed a stimulus, want to be Chris Matthews, but we needed it to spend such a large amount of tax payer money (you know those people that work in offices, schools and small business) more responsibly. You know what I’m talking about so don’t waste either of our times with asking for me to post the multiple sources I would have to, to prove a point everyone who knows anything is already aware of. When did I ever say I attended a right wing university, now your just throwing out insults to pad your self-ingenious rant about how the party ruined America, we get it Michael Moore we are evil people. Has it ever crossed your mind that I am in full support of Nasa and infrastructure that can be paid for from money that isnt borrowed? Simple and small is not what I believe our country needs, we need one that is effective and understands it role. Hey man if you want to go off on your elitist, I’m better than you because I am a democrat rant go ahead, but you are just being as unproductive as the republicans you claim to crusade against. I really don’t get it. You keep waiting for everyone to see the light and become a democrat where ponies run free and everyone loves each other, I’m going to continue to have rational conservative opinions on fiscal responsibility and social freedoms from an effective government and hope to work with those with opposing opinions. You see that is the difference between you and I, when you talk politics people groan and say oh there he goes again, but when I talk politics to others no matter what that persons views are, we are usually able to have an adult debate where some result can be reached. Unless I am talking to a person like you, and the sad part is, both Republican and Democrat, there are plenty of “yous”. People who think that their opinion is God’s gift to politics. Until you realize what your type of person is doing to this country please don’t respond, if you want to have a big boy conversataion then come back to me with some actual substance.

700 trillion? I'm hoping that's a "typo". You know Republicans insisted Obama took a trip costing 200 million a DAY and used half our Navy for escort?

Once you start throwing out "liberal European" and "elitist", you prove the propaganda has "took". How can you have a discussion when, clearly, you can't get passed the indoctrination?

All companies "borrow". The company I work at "borrows". And you tell me I need to learn about economics?

The truth is, no right wing college is higher than tier four. It's because they don't believe in science or data or study. They get their imagined facts from the Heritage Foundation. Intelligent people would study the data and debate on what it means. Republicans don't use data. And the "data" they do use is made up. Which means they don't use data.

And speaking of "rant", check your entire rant and point out the "substance". I didn't see any.

And about that infrastructure. Every country on earth uses infrastructure spending to improve their country and boost their economy. Even Republicans have always done that. The ONLY reason they don't want to do it now is they were hoping to bring down Obama. You can go state by state and see who received infrastructure money and what it was spent on. You will find over a hundred Republican senators and congressmen receiving hundreds of billions and spending it on everything from sewers to railroads to bridges to broadband and then taking credit for projects they voted against. We call that "hypocrisy".

If you're going to play with the big boys, you better find some facts and "LINK TO THEM". No one takes anyone's word without some support. Right wingers call me names, but they don't prove me wrong. Unless they make something up and insist that was something I said. That's been tried numerous times. What else do they have?

I am far from the propaganda, trust me.
-700 is the correct number if you would like to check the stimulus bill again go ahead, I have had that number well drilled into my head.
-Where did i mention anything about a 200 million dollar a day trip? Dont insult my intelligence by clumping me with those who make wild accusations.
- Liberal economics doesnt correctly represent Greek enconomics? I'm an econ major and have a fairly good deal of knowledge on the subject.
did you read any of what I said? I clearly stated infastructure was needed, but it cant be thrown around without the money to back it up. Thats what we call responsible spending.
- You attack me without basis or claim. You have fallen into the liberal lie that all Republicans are the same, and that is sad. If you want to play with the big boys, you better find actual instinces where I dont at the very least make a sound response or opinion.

 

[YoungRepublican]

Your username of YoungRepublican is a misnomer and very deceptive.

You should have used something like YoungRINO or FakeRepublican ..............

Yes, let me just change my username to MarxistObamaLover because I want to explain what I have witnessed occur to our party on the college level. Grow up and add something to the discussion.

 

[YoungRepublican]

the young fake pretty much spewed all the Democrat talking points word for word if you could read all that mess

Please point out one liberal talking point I have ever stated. Thats the problem with those who dont have anything intellectual to say they just attack without merit and hope to gain acceptance from the other idiots laughing

 

[YoungRepublican]

The Tea Party started by people concerned with fiscal issues. They later began to squabble over social issues.

^^^^
This.

The Tea Party became just another run of the mill conservative movement. I sympathized with them when they started on too much spending. I stopped when they started talking about issues like legitimate rape.

When has the Tea Party mentioned legitimate rape?

In fact, who is the Tea Party? Does the idiot Repoublican who talked about legitimate rape represent the entire movement? Of course he does, so screw'em all, right?

Next you can defend the NAACP for calling the entire movement a bunch of racists.

Do you agree with what Todd Akin said? If so, or if you believe it was just a mistake then you are who he is talking about. If you arent then Kudos to you.

 

[YoungRepublican]

After all, Bush is to blame for the likes of Obama and the conservative movement getting demonized. For you see, all they have to do is refer to "W" as a conservative and you successfully demonize an entire movement. The problem is, is that I can't think of anything conservative about the man, other than he said he opposed abortion. Well good for you George, that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing that.

Bush jr. was an eastern born and raised elitest liberal with an ivory league education who masqueraded as a Texas republican.

true..Bush was NO Conservative..

If you dont believe that George Bush was a conservative then idk what to think. his fiscal policy was the epitome of passable conservative legisltation. If we stop being a monday morning quaterback on Iraq and can agree that the banks were the ones who caused the 08 fiscal fall, you can see his policies were pretty damn good. George Bush looked out for the best interest of conservative values.. I can only pray that the tax cuts stay in place.. they are the only thing proping up our internal revenue

 

[Toro]

I think we are missing my point with this thread.. I dont identify with the Democratic party because their fiscal beliefs just dont align with mine. Im just making the simple suggestion that outside of highly conservative areas (Oklahoma, Kansas, the Dakotas, etc.) Young people who identify with fiscal dicipline are so turned off by the far, far right wing of our party that they just choose to vote democrat, mainly because they dont do their homework. A big reason why they fail to vote Republican is due to the lack of tolerance we have for opposing views. I find it sort of crazy that just because I disagree with the Tea Party's social politics, some of you tell me I'm not even a Republican.. I guess what Im trying to say is that if you are a hard line conservative, you need to realize that these social policies are hurting our party in the place we really need the help, the youth. Defend your opinions, but dont say im not a Republican because I dont align with you on every position. What are we without a little civility?

Welcome to the Board. I wonder sometimes when young people in school stumble onto these places if they're disappointed that people 30-40 years older are acting just like kids do in grade school. If you're looking for intelligent conversation and civility, you're best off somewhere else.

Here's how it works. You say "I think we need to change a few things about the Republican Party," and as soon as the robotic partisans reads that, they'll yell "Liberal!" "RINO!" "Communist!" "Democrats are worse!" because Pavlovian tribalism is much easier than thinking. Don't believe me? Just re-read this thread. To them, what's most important is that you march lock-step with the over-riding ethos, make sure you check all the boxes on your ideological purity test, and never, ever criticize to outsiders.

Don't believe me? Here's a good assessment.

Republicans are now in the habit of editing their views, and they've been in it for 10 years. The Bush White House suppressed dissent; talk-radio stars functioned as enforcers; the angrier parts of the base, on the Internet, attempted to silence critical thinkers. Orthodoxy was everything, or orthodoxy as some defined it. This isn't loyalty, it's lockstep. It has harmed the party's creativity, its ability to think, when now more than ever it has to.

That was written a few weeks ago in the Wall Street Journal by Peggy Noonan, Reagan's speechwriter. And if anyone instigates an ad hominem attack on Noonan because of what she said, you know that you can ignore them because they're a mindless drone.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's so funny that you can claim to be President of a Republican Organization (like Jake claims) and somehow not notice that Obama and the Dems are in the process of fundamentally transforming the USA.

Cracks me up every time

 

[Stephanie]

I think we are missing my point with this thread.. I dont identify with the Democratic party because their fiscal beliefs just dont align with mine. Im just making the simple suggestion that outside of highly conservative areas (Oklahoma, Kansas, the Dakotas, etc.) Young people who identify with fiscal dicipline are so turned off by the far, far right wing of our party that they just choose to vote democrat, mainly because they dont do their homework. A big reason why they fail to vote Republican is due to the lack of tolerance we have for opposing views. I find it sort of crazy that just because I disagree with the Tea Party's social politics, some of you tell me I'm not even a Republican.. I guess what Im trying to say is that if you are a hard line conservative, you need to realize that these social policies are hurting our party in the place we really need the help, the youth. Defend your opinions, but dont say im not a Republican because I dont align with you on every position. What are we without a little civility?

well we'll buy them so cheese..what kind do you like?
I doubt most young people care and you don't get to speak for them because you are one

 

[rdean]

I'm not sure if you have been viewing liberal policy in European countries lately or if you need a refresher course in economics. Here’s my problem with you. I present my position that most would see as reasonable, and you aren’t even able to acknowledge my willingness to compromise with you. I do not want a smaller govt, I want a government that does not pass a 700 trillion dollar stimulus package loaded with pork belly spending. Before you go and say "we needed that!" no shit we needed a stimulus, want to be Chris Matthews, but we needed it to spend such a large amount of tax payer money (you know those people that work in offices, schools and small business) more responsibly. You know what I’m talking about so don’t waste either of our times with asking for me to post the multiple sources I would have to, to prove a point everyone who knows anything is already aware of. When did I ever say I attended a right wing university, now your just throwing out insults to pad your self-ingenious rant about how the party ruined America, we get it Michael Moore we are evil people. Has it ever crossed your mind that I am in full support of Nasa and infrastructure that can be paid for from money that isnt borrowed? Simple and small is not what I believe our country needs, we need one that is effective and understands it role. Hey man if you want to go off on your elitist, I’m better than you because I am a democrat rant go ahead, but you are just being as unproductive as the republicans you claim to crusade against. I really don’t get it. You keep waiting for everyone to see the light and become a democrat where ponies run free and everyone loves each other, I’m going to continue to have rational conservative opinions on fiscal responsibility and social freedoms from an effective government and hope to work with those with opposing opinions. You see that is the difference between you and I, when you talk politics people groan and say oh there he goes again, but when I talk politics to others no matter what that persons views are, we are usually able to have an adult debate where some result can be reached. Unless I am talking to a person like you, and the sad part is, both Republican and Democrat, there are plenty of “yous”. People who think that their opinion is God’s gift to politics. Until you realize what your type of person is doing to this country please don’t respond, if you want to have a big boy conversataion then come back to me with some actual substance.

700 trillion? I'm hoping that's a "typo". You know Republicans insisted Obama took a trip costing 200 million a DAY and used half our Navy for escort?

Once you start throwing out "liberal European" and "elitist", you prove the propaganda has "took". How can you have a discussion when, clearly, you can't get passed the indoctrination?

All companies "borrow". The company I work at "borrows". And you tell me I need to learn about economics?

The truth is, no right wing college is higher than tier four. It's because they don't believe in science or data or study. They get their imagined facts from the Heritage Foundation. Intelligent people would study the data and debate on what it means. Republicans don't use data. And the "data" they do use is made up. Which means they don't use data.

And speaking of "rant", check your entire rant and point out the "substance". I didn't see any.

And about that infrastructure. Every country on earth uses infrastructure spending to improve their country and boost their economy. Even Republicans have always done that. The ONLY reason they don't want to do it now is they were hoping to bring down Obama. You can go state by state and see who received infrastructure money and what it was spent on. You will find over a hundred Republican senators and congressmen receiving hundreds of billions and spending it on everything from sewers to railroads to bridges to broadband and then taking credit for projects they voted against. We call that "hypocrisy".

If you're going to play with the big boys, you better find some facts and "LINK TO THEM". No one takes anyone's word without some support. Right wingers call me names, but they don't prove me wrong. Unless they make something up and insist that was something I said. That's been tried numerous times. What else do they have?

I am far from the propaganda, trust me.
-700 is the correct number if you would like to check the stimulus bill again go ahead, I have had that number well drilled into my head.
-Where did i mention anything about a 200 million dollar a day trip? Dont insult my intelligence by clumping me with those who make wild accusations.
- Liberal economics doesnt correctly represent Greek enconomics? I'm an econ major and have a fairly good deal of knowledge on the subject.
did you read any of what I said? I clearly stated infastructure was needed, but it cant be thrown around without the money to back it up. Thats what we call responsible spending.
- You attack me without basis or claim. You have fallen into the liberal lie that all Republicans are the same, and that is sad. If you want to play with the big boys, you better find actual instinces where I dont at the very least make a sound response or opinion.

There is a huge difference between 700 TRILLION and 700 BILLION. If you believe the 700 TRILLION is the right number, then the 200 million dollar a day "trip" is relevant.

You didn't mention a word about all the Republicans using stimulus money for building infrastructure in their states. Did you bother to look?

And you were the one throwing out "liberal European" and "elitist".

When it comes to business and government, all money is "borrowed". And you say you are an "econ" major? Ever heard the phrase, "It takes money to make money". It's why people "borrow".

My advice to you is to quit "whining". Post links to support your positions and learn to use "spell check". Merry Christmas.

 

[YoungRepublican]

700 trillion? I'm hoping that's a "typo". You know Republicans insisted Obama took a trip costing 200 million a DAY and used half our Navy for escort?

Once you start throwing out "liberal European" and "elitist", you prove the propaganda has "took". How can you have a discussion when, clearly, you can't get passed the indoctrination?

All companies "borrow". The company I work at "borrows". And you tell me I need to learn about economics?

The truth is, no right wing college is higher than tier four. It's because they don't believe in science or data or study. They get their imagined facts from the Heritage Foundation. Intelligent people would study the data and debate on what it means. Republicans don't use data. And the "data" they do use is made up. Which means they don't use data.

And speaking of "rant", check your entire rant and point out the "substance". I didn't see any.

And about that infrastructure. Every country on earth uses infrastructure spending to improve their country and boost their economy. Even Republicans have always done that. The ONLY reason they don't want to do it now is they were hoping to bring down Obama. You can go state by state and see who received infrastructure money and what it was spent on. You will find over a hundred Republican senators and congressmen receiving hundreds of billions and spending it on everything from sewers to railroads to bridges to broadband and then taking credit for projects they voted against. We call that "hypocrisy".

If you're going to play with the big boys, you better find some facts and "LINK TO THEM". No one takes anyone's word without some support. Right wingers call me names, but they don't prove me wrong. Unless they make something up and insist that was something I said. That's been tried numerous times. What else do they have?

I am far from the propaganda, trust me.
-700 is the correct number if you would like to check the stimulus bill again go ahead, I have had that number well drilled into my head.
-Where did i mention anything about a 200 million dollar a day trip? Dont insult my intelligence by clumping me with those who make wild accusations.
- Liberal economics doesnt correctly represent Greek enconomics? I'm an econ major and have a fairly good deal of knowledge on the subject.
did you read any of what I said? I clearly stated infastructure was needed, but it cant be thrown around without the money to back it up. Thats what we call responsible spending.
- You attack me without basis or claim. You have fallen into the liberal lie that all Republicans are the same, and that is sad. If you want to play with the big boys, you better find actual instinces where I dont at the very least make a sound response or opinion.

There is a huge difference between 700 TRILLION and 700 BILLION. If you believe the 700 TRILLION is the right number, then the 200 million dollar a day "trip" is relevant.

You didn't mention a word about all the Republicans using stimulus money for building infrastructure in their states. Did you bother to look?

And you were the one throwing out "liberal European" and "elitist".

When it comes to business and government, all money is "borrowed". And you say you are an "econ" major? Ever heard the phrase, "It takes money to make money". It's why people "borrow".

My advice to you is to quit "whining". Post links to support your positions and learn to use "spell check". Merry Christmas.

ill concede the mess up on trillion billion
-I stated very clearly the stimulus was necessary, but it shouldn’t have been used in frivolous ways.•$15 million to construct airport In village of Ouzinkie, Alaska, with 165 residents.
•$54 million to construct a Napa Valley wine train.
•$3 million to play video games such as World Of Warcraft.
•$59,845 to study the “Explosion Of Lawsuits In 17th Century Peru And Mexico.”
•$81,000 for a study to determine how to help post-menopausal women not drink too much.
•$700,000 to create a computer program to tell jokes.
•$17.4 million to expand broadband access to just 30 potential customers in Iowa.
•$35,000 for the Maine Indian Basketmakers Alliance to teach basket making.
•$6 million for snow making equipment in Duluth, Minnesota
•$772,709 to study bacteria on squid.
•$61.8 Million for a wind farm that was finished before the stimulus passed.
•$554,939 for three different studies to "Study the Stimulus."

It takes money to make money.. Why borrow money we dont need?

 

[YoungRepublican]

I think we are missing my point with this thread.. I dont identify with the Democratic party because their fiscal beliefs just dont align with mine. Im just making the simple suggestion that outside of highly conservative areas (Oklahoma, Kansas, the Dakotas, etc.) Young people who identify with fiscal dicipline are so turned off by the far, far right wing of our party that they just choose to vote democrat, mainly because they dont do their homework. A big reason why they fail to vote Republican is due to the lack of tolerance we have for opposing views. I find it sort of crazy that just because I disagree with the Tea Party's social politics, some of you tell me I'm not even a Republican.. I guess what Im trying to say is that if you are a hard line conservative, you need to realize that these social policies are hurting our party in the place we really need the help, the youth. Defend your opinions, but dont say im not a Republican because I dont align with you on every position. What are we without a little civility?

well we'll buy them so cheese..what kind do you like?
I doubt most young people care and you don't get to speak for them because you are one

If you doubt that we care then you are just speaking from a place of ignorance.

 

[rdean]

I am far from the propaganda, trust me.
-700 is the correct number if you would like to check the stimulus bill again go ahead, I have had that number well drilled into my head.
-Where did i mention anything about a 200 million dollar a day trip? Dont insult my intelligence by clumping me with those who make wild accusations.
- Liberal economics doesnt correctly represent Greek enconomics? I'm an econ major and have a fairly good deal of knowledge on the subject.
did you read any of what I said? I clearly stated infastructure was needed, but it cant be thrown around without the money to back it up. Thats what we call responsible spending.
- You attack me without basis or claim. You have fallen into the liberal lie that all Republicans are the same, and that is sad. If you want to play with the big boys, you better find actual instinces where I dont at the very least make a sound response or opinion.

There is a huge difference between 700 TRILLION and 700 BILLION. If you believe the 700 TRILLION is the right number, then the 200 million dollar a day "trip" is relevant.

You didn't mention a word about all the Republicans using stimulus money for building infrastructure in their states. Did you bother to look?

And you were the one throwing out "liberal European" and "elitist".

When it comes to business and government, all money is "borrowed". And you say you are an "econ" major? Ever heard the phrase, "It takes money to make money". It's why people "borrow".

My advice to you is to quit "whining". Post links to support your positions and learn to use "spell check". Merry Christmas.

ill concede the mess up on trillion billion
-I stated very clearly the stimulus was necessary, but it shouldn’t have been used in frivolous ways.•$15 million to construct airport In village of Ouzinkie, Alaska, with 165 residents.
•$54 million to construct a Napa Valley wine train.
•$3 million to play video games such as World Of Warcraft.
•$59,845 to study the “Explosion Of Lawsuits In 17th Century Peru And Mexico.”
•$81,000 for a study to determine how to help post-menopausal women not drink too much.
•$700,000 to create a computer program to tell jokes.
•$17.4 million to expand broadband access to just 30 potential customers in Iowa.
•$35,000 for the Maine Indian Basketmakers Alliance to teach basket making.
•$6 million for snow making equipment in Duluth, Minnesota
•$772,709 to study bacteria on squid.
•$61.8 Million for a wind farm that was finished before the stimulus passed.
•$554,939 for three different studies to "Study the Stimulus."

It takes money to make money.. Why borrow money we dont need?

Since you didn't include a single link, I'm suspecting you got this off Fox or Breitbart. And you said the 200 million dollar a day trip wasn't relevant.

I remember when McCain made jokes about millions being spent on studying "honeybees". Why was that important?

Honeybee Deaths Linked to Corn Insecticides - ABC News

“Assessment of the Environmental Exposure of Honeybees to Particulate Matter Containing Neonicotinoid Insecticides Coming from Corn Coated Seeds,” was published in the American Chemical Society’s Environmental Science & Technology journal, and provides insight into colony collapse disorder.

Fears for crops as shock figures from America show scale of bee catastrophe | Environment | The Observer

List of crop plants pollinated by bees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://justorb.com/2009/03/05/dear-john-mccain/

McCain may not be aware that bees are responsible for a great deal of the food we get to eat … and they are dying (or disappearing). We don’t know why yet, and it would be very, very bad if there were no more bees, therefore, it is being researched. Bees pollinate one-third of our vegetables, fruit, and nut crops and all wildflowers, and if they keep dying or “disappearing” at the rate they have been, by 2035, there will be no bees in the United States. I encourage Senator McCain to consider a world without bees before ridiculing the funding of research into why they are dying.

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Republicans love to laugh at what they know nothing about. But trying to educate one is nearly impossible. Show them "facts" and they feel they are being called "stupid".

 

[RightNorLeft]

I think we are missing my point with this thread.. I dont identify with the Democratic party because their fiscal beliefs just dont align with mine. Im just making the simple suggestion that outside of highly conservative areas (Oklahoma, Kansas, the Dakotas, etc.) Young people who identify with fiscal dicipline are so turned off by the far, far right wing of our party that they just choose to vote democrat, mainly because they dont do their homework. A big reason why they fail to vote Republican is due to the lack of tolerance we have for opposing views. I find it sort of crazy that just because I disagree with the Tea Party's social politics, some of you tell me I'm not even a Republican.. I guess what Im trying to say is that if you are a hard line conservative, you need to realize that these social policies are hurting our party in the place we really need the help, the youth. Defend your opinions, but dont say im not a Republican because I dont align with you on every position. What are we without a little civility?

Welcome to the Board. I wonder sometimes when young people in school stumble onto these places if they're disappointed that people 30-40 years older are acting just like kids do in grade school. If you're looking for intelligent conversation and civility, you're best off somewhere else.

Here's how it works. You say "I think we need to change a few things about the Republican Party," and as soon as the robotic partisans reads that, they'll yell "Liberal!" "RINO!" "Communist!" "Democrats are worse!" because Pavlovian tribalism is much easier than thinking. Don't believe me? Just re-read this thread. To them, what's most important is that you march lock-step with the over-riding ethos, make sure you check all the boxes on your ideological purity test, and never, ever criticize to outsiders.

Don't believe me? Here's a good assessment.

Republicans are now in the habit of editing their views, and they've been in it for 10 years. The Bush White House suppressed dissent; talk-radio stars functioned as enforcers; the angrier parts of the base, on the Internet, attempted to silence critical thinkers. Orthodoxy was everything, or orthodoxy as some defined it. This isn't loyalty, it's lockstep. It has harmed the party's creativity, its ability to think, when now more than ever it has to.

That was written a few weeks ago in the Wall Street Journal by Peggy Noonan, Reagan's speechwriter. And if anyone instigates an ad hominem attack on Noonan because of what she said, you know that you can ignore them because they're a mindless drone.

I was a republican over 40 yrs and I am now an independent and so is many many used to be devout republicans. My leaving the party started not too much before the primary season, when the extremists were gearing up anyone that dared disagree with a single component of their platform or agenda was vilified and labeled a rhino and a liberal.
As a working class republican I was offended by the attacks on the public "WORKERS" not bums and skids and people looking for a handout...WORKING class people. I was offended by the rhetoric coming out of the mouths of newly elected republican govs.
In short the Gop went waaay to far and they lost votes here and they lost some there and they lost some there and they "LOST" the election. The most amazing thing to me is that the teaparty who made the republican party lose is still tooting their horns and beating their chests. Im not alone theres many that left the gop...and wont be back anytime soon.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Where is our party going?

As a college senior about to enter his final semester certain realities start to sink in. As these problems begin to creep into my mind I have been left with an epiphany about the Republican Party. I am a registered Republican, President of my College Young Republican chapter and believe I have a decent hold on the Republican platform. The question of our parties’ future came to me while discussing politics with some friends over drinks at our local bar. The girl to the left of me asked “Why can’t the Republicans seem to get any support from youth?” Her question came after our group of mixed political sentiments was able to reach a solid middle ground. Yes, that is correct Democrats and Republicans were able to agree on something as volatile as The Affordable Care Act. Why should that be something to celebrate over? Because it is a rarity in today’s political world. But why is it so unheard of? Considering my Republican roots I will address what I believe is our problem.
Our problem is the fringe movement within our party that refers to themselves as the “Tea Party”. I am hesitant to describe these groups as “within our party”, mostly due to a mixture within myself of denial and hope. These people are unable to conjure up enough common sense to realize that there is more than one way to accomplish a goal. Perhaps the most complex part about this to me is, the goals that they seem most fervent about are the ones that have little to no implications on their lives. I have come to this realization because, while I worry about finding a job, getting in to Law School or establishing a 401 (K) to supplement the non-existent pension I won’t receive, they are busy telling homosexuals they cannot marry. I envy those with the free time to worry about something so petty. We have entered a period in our history that cannot be compromised by concerning ourselves on whether a person arrested with a gram of pot goes away to jail.
The platform I have found that resonates best with potential Republican’s is a simple one. We do not care if gays get married; they deserve every right heterosexuals do. We do not care if a person with a few grams of marijuana doesn’t go to jail; they are overpopulated anyway and I don’t want to pay because a person got high at the wrong place. And as controversial as this sounds, we would rather see a life begin at the right time, than one be brought into this world to a parent that is not ready to care for it. if you call abortion murder, than we will call bringing that child into this world as a slow form of torture. Both analogies are equally ridiculous. Obviously opinions differ and are much more complex than I can write at this time, but the point remains that social issues aren’t even on the back-burners of our political thoughts.
If citizens in these great states wish to continue to elect politicians that hold hearings on steroids over our ever impending fiscal apocalypse, then we deserve what is coming to us. Blame the media, blame the schools, hell, blame the parents, but at the end of the day it is our current elected officials that will decide my generations future. I can no longer sit back and accept the fact that some will just accept whatever Glen Beck has said on last night’s radio show as undeniable truth. They claim that my generation is one that will ruin our country, but I strongly contend that notion with the exact opposite. If you are reading this and are steaming mad at me, yelling epiphytes at your computer screen, it is you that are hurting this country. I am a Republican; I believe is fiscal responsibility over anything else, but the conviction I hold just as close to that is social freedoms. Make no mistake, social freedom is one of the core components in which this party was founded upon and because of that I can say with all honesty those who tell others what they can or cannot do with their lives have no business calling themselves Republicans.

I have good news and bad news;

You are not a Republican

You are a fiscal and Constitutional conservative.

Welcome to the club, I think you make the 4th on the board.


fyi; The Tea Party started off as fiscal conservatives, the the Religious Right sunk it's claws in

 

[rdean]

I think we are missing my point with this thread.. I dont identify with the Democratic party because their fiscal beliefs just dont align with mine. Im just making the simple suggestion that outside of highly conservative areas (Oklahoma, Kansas, the Dakotas, etc.) Young people who identify with fiscal dicipline are so turned off by the far, far right wing of our party that they just choose to vote democrat, mainly because they dont do their homework. A big reason why they fail to vote Republican is due to the lack of tolerance we have for opposing views. I find it sort of crazy that just because I disagree with the Tea Party's social politics, some of you tell me I'm not even a Republican.. I guess what Im trying to say is that if you are a hard line conservative, you need to realize that these social policies are hurting our party in the place we really need the help, the youth. Defend your opinions, but dont say im not a Republican because I dont align with you on every position. What are we without a little civility?

Welcome to the Board. I wonder sometimes when young people in school stumble onto these places if they're disappointed that people 30-40 years older are acting just like kids do in grade school. If you're looking for intelligent conversation and civility, you're best off somewhere else.

Here's how it works. You say "I think we need to change a few things about the Republican Party," and as soon as the robotic partisans reads that, they'll yell "Liberal!" "RINO!" "Communist!" "Democrats are worse!" because Pavlovian tribalism is much easier than thinking. Don't believe me? Just re-read this thread. To them, what's most important is that you march lock-step with the over-riding ethos, make sure you check all the boxes on your ideological purity test, and never, ever criticize to outsiders.

Don't believe me? Here's a good assessment.

Republicans are now in the habit of editing their views, and they've been in it for 10 years. The Bush White House suppressed dissent; talk-radio stars functioned as enforcers; the angrier parts of the base, on the Internet, attempted to silence critical thinkers. Orthodoxy was everything, or orthodoxy as some defined it. This isn't loyalty, it's lockstep. It has harmed the party's creativity, its ability to think, when now more than ever it has to.

That was written a few weeks ago in the Wall Street Journal by Peggy Noonan, Reagan's speechwriter. And if anyone instigates an ad hominem attack on Noonan because of what she said, you know that you can ignore them because they're a mindless drone.

I was a republican over 40 yrs and I am now an independent and so is many many used to be devout republicans. My leaving the party started not too much before the primary season, when the extremists were gearing up anyone that dared disagree with a single component of their platform or agenda was vilified and labeled a rhino and a liberal.
As a working class republican I was offended by the attacks on the public "WORKERS" not bums and skids and people looking for a handout...WORKING class people. I was offended by the rhetoric coming out of the mouths of newly elected republican govs.
In short the Gop went waaay to far and they lost votes here and they lost some there and they lost some there and they "LOST" the election. The most amazing thing to me is that the teaparty who made the republican party lose is still tooting their horns and beating their chests. Im not alone theres many that left the gop...and wont be back anytime soon.

The Republican leadership has worked overtime to divide the country. Many Republicans think those on welfare don't work. They just receive "handouts". Ask them what Romney was talking about when he said Obama wanted to end the "work requirement" and most simply had no idea what Romney was talking about.

And food stamps? Most of those receiving food stamps live in households where people are actually working. But they are only getting minimum wage. Remember, the Republican leadership wants to end food stamps and reduce the minimum wage. Does that even sound "humane"???? Worst of all, they want to cut education. It's like "Potter" and "Scrooge" took over the Republican Party.

 

[YoungRepublican]

I think we are missing my point with this thread.. I dont identify with the Democratic party because their fiscal beliefs just dont align with mine. Im just making the simple suggestion that outside of highly conservative areas (Oklahoma, Kansas, the Dakotas, etc.) Young people who identify with fiscal dicipline are so turned off by the far, far right wing of our party that they just choose to vote democrat, mainly because they dont do their homework. A big reason why they fail to vote Republican is due to the lack of tolerance we have for opposing views. I find it sort of crazy that just because I disagree with the Tea Party's social politics, some of you tell me I'm not even a Republican.. I guess what Im trying to say is that if you are a hard line conservative, you need to realize that these social policies are hurting our party in the place we really need the help, the youth. Defend your opinions, but dont say im not a Republican because I dont align with you on every position. What are we without a little civility?

Welcome to the Board. I wonder sometimes when young people in school stumble onto these places if they're disappointed that people 30-40 years older are acting just like kids do in grade school. If you're looking for intelligent conversation and civility, you're best off somewhere else.

Here's how it works. You say "I think we need to change a few things about the Republican Party," and as soon as the robotic partisans reads that, they'll yell "Liberal!" "RINO!" "Communist!" "Democrats are worse!" because Pavlovian tribalism is much easier than thinking. Don't believe me? Just re-read this thread. To them, what's most important is that you march lock-step with the over-riding ethos, make sure you check all the boxes on your ideological purity test, and never, ever criticize to outsiders.

Don't believe me? Here's a good assessment.

Republicans are now in the habit of editing their views, and they've been in it for 10 years. The Bush White House suppressed dissent; talk-radio stars functioned as enforcers; the angrier parts of the base, on the Internet, attempted to silence critical thinkers. Orthodoxy was everything, or orthodoxy as some defined it. This isn't loyalty, it's lockstep. It has harmed the party's creativity, its ability to think, when now more than ever it has to.

That was written a few weeks ago in the Wall Street Journal by Peggy Noonan, Reagan's speechwriter. And if anyone instigates an ad hominem attack on Noonan because of what she said, you know that you can ignore them because they're a mindless drone.

I was a republican over 40 yrs and I am now an independent and so is many many used to be devout republicans. My leaving the party started not too much before the primary season, when the extremists were gearing up anyone that dared disagree with a single component of their platform or agenda was vilified and labeled a rhino and a liberal.
As a working class republican I was offended by the attacks on the public "WORKERS" not bums and skids and people looking for a handout...WORKING class people. I was offended by the rhetoric coming out of the mouths of newly elected republican govs.
In short the Gop went waaay to far and they lost votes here and they lost some there and they lost some there and they "LOST" the election. The most amazing thing to me is that the teaparty who made the republican party lose is still tooting their horns and beating their chests. Im not alone theres many that left the gop...and wont be back anytime soon.

I am making it my personal mission in politics to return sane conservatives like you back to to the party. Hopefully if all goes according to my life goals, you will cast your vot for a Republicna once again.

 

[YoungRepublican]

There is a huge difference between 700 TRILLION and 700 BILLION. If you believe the 700 TRILLION is the right number, then the 200 million dollar a day "trip" is relevant.

You didn't mention a word about all the Republicans using stimulus money for building infrastructure in their states. Did you bother to look?

And you were the one throwing out "liberal European" and "elitist".

When it comes to business and government, all money is "borrowed". And you say you are an "econ" major? Ever heard the phrase, "It takes money to make money". It's why people "borrow".

My advice to you is to quit "whining". Post links to support your positions and learn to use "spell check". Merry Christmas.

ill concede the mess up on trillion billion
-I stated very clearly the stimulus was necessary, but it shouldn’t have been used in frivolous ways.•$15 million to construct airport In village of Ouzinkie, Alaska, with 165 residents.
•$54 million to construct a Napa Valley wine train.
•$3 million to play video games such as World Of Warcraft.
•$59,845 to study the “Explosion Of Lawsuits In 17th Century Peru And Mexico.”
•$81,000 for a study to determine how to help post-menopausal women not drink too much.
•$700,000 to create a computer program to tell jokes.
•$17.4 million to expand broadband access to just 30 potential customers in Iowa.
•$35,000 for the Maine Indian Basketmakers Alliance to teach basket making.
•$6 million for snow making equipment in Duluth, Minnesota
•$772,709 to study bacteria on squid.
•$61.8 Million for a wind farm that was finished before the stimulus passed.
•$554,939 for three different studies to "Study the Stimulus."

It takes money to make money.. Why borrow money we dont need?

Since you didn't include a single link, I'm suspecting you got this off Fox or Breitbart. And you said the 200 million dollar a day trip wasn't relevant.

I remember when McCain made jokes about millions being spent on studying "honeybees". Why was that important?

Honeybee Deaths Linked to Corn Insecticides - ABC News

“Assessment of the Environmental Exposure of Honeybees to Particulate Matter Containing Neonicotinoid Insecticides Coming from Corn Coated Seeds,” was published in the American Chemical Society’s Environmental Science & Technology journal, and provides insight into colony collapse disorder.

Fears for crops as shock figures from America show scale of bee catastrophe | Environment | The Observer

List of crop plants pollinated by bees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://justorb.com/2009/03/05/dear-john-mccain/

McCain may not be aware that bees are responsible for a great deal of the food we get to eat … and they are dying (or disappearing). We don’t know why yet, and it would be very, very bad if there were no more bees, therefore, it is being researched. Bees pollinate one-third of our vegetables, fruit, and nut crops and all wildflowers, and if they keep dying or “disappearing” at the rate they have been, by 2035, there will be no bees in the United States. I encourage Senator McCain to consider a world without bees before ridiculing the funding of research into why they are dying.


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Republicans love to laugh at what they know nothing about. But trying to educate one is nearly impossible. Show them "facts" and they feel they are being called "stupid".

Good point about the bee's.. You see what I did there, agreed with you! Holy shit did we just reach a middle ground?!? I dont believe the 200 million dollar number so it isnt relevant to me, because I am educated. The Airport in Alaska though? we can go tit for tat about whats good and whats bad but you have to admit that your money went to some stupid stuff that could have been spent eleswhere, perhaps welfare.. I dont blame your distrust in me, just like you cant blame my distrust in you. I have complex views on just about everything none of which aligns specifically to a party. However, the majority of my views lean to the right. I dont really care that you think im some kind of tea party nut or fake Republican, I know what I am. Lets just agree that our heavy spending could be put to more useful projects and not the next Solyndra.

 

[YoungRepublican]

It's so funny that you can claim to be President of a Republican Organization (like Jake claims) and somehow not notice that Obama and the Dems are in the process of fundamentally transforming the USA.

Cracks me up every time

I took some of your advice and looked up Jake. I get what he is trying to say, but he isnt doing me any favors by the way he says it. If any one Toro is the person I find most relatable to. We are just the type of people who want to get things done opposed to seeing who can yell the loudest. We want everyone to get a little of what they want, not half of america getting there way while the other half suffers.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

You lost me at fiscal conservative that believes we needed a stimulus.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Agreeing with Rderp, a guy who learned to type in a straight jacket in the psycho ward...yeah that says a lot