Where is our party going? A young republicans views on the world. Agree or disagree.

[Votto]

Jake is your ideological father here, look him up. He's also a "Republican" who never has a good word to say about Conservatives and tells us our only salvation is in aiding and abetting the Neo-Marxists

I'm not interesting in attracting Moderates or independents or the yutes by becoming a fucking Liberal pussy, aka: Republican "Moderate"

I'd like to tell you I read your response, but I didn't bother.

The dramatic event in the life of a youth that turns them Conservative is when they see what the net is on their first paycheck, I got 67% of what I thought I earned, the government did not do 1/3 of my work why should they take 1/3 of what I earned? And that was a real long time ago, now the Federal government alone takes more than that.

You just want to be cool. You think we have time for you to grow up, we don't. You have no real idea how close we are to taking the advise of the Founders and hitting Ctl Alt Del twice and rebooting the whole system.

So what do you disagree with him on, Frank? You never addressed any of his issues. He said that conservative social issues are driving young people away from the party. He also said that we are on the verge of a fiscal collapse. He also said conservatives have to get out of the echo chamber. What did he say that was wrong?

When he said that the GOP has to spend less time focusing on issues like abortion, you ranted about the government taking away 1/3 of your paycheck.

I disagree with the basic premise that he's a Republican.

Besides that everything else is fine

I think he is a Republican. In fact, I think that the majority in the party think this way......which is why I'm not a Republican.

 

[Toro]

Jake is your ideological father here, look him up. He's also a "Republican" who never has a good word to say about Conservatives and tells us our only salvation is in aiding and abetting the Neo-Marxists

I'm not interesting in attracting Moderates or independents or the yutes by becoming a fucking Liberal pussy, aka: Republican "Moderate"

I'd like to tell you I read your response, but I didn't bother.

The dramatic event in the life of a youth that turns them Conservative is when they see what the net is on their first paycheck, I got 67% of what I thought I earned, the government did not do 1/3 of my work why should they take 1/3 of what I earned? And that was a real long time ago, now the Federal government alone takes more than that.

You just want to be cool. You think we have time for you to grow up, we don't. You have no real idea how close we are to taking the advise of the Founders and hitting Ctl Alt Del twice and rebooting the whole system.

So what do you disagree with him on, Frank? You never addressed any of his issues. He said that conservative social issues are driving young people away from the party. He also said that we are on the verge of a fiscal collapse. He also said conservatives have to get out of the echo chamber. What did he say that was wrong?

When he said that the GOP has to spend less time focusing on issues like abortion, you ranted about the government taking away 1/3 of your paycheck.

I disagree with the basic premise that he's a Republican.

Besides that everything else is fine

So IOW, if one doesn't march lock-step on all issues, it's not possible to be a Republican? From what I read, he appears to agree with you on fiscal issues. But because he doesn't check all the boxes on social issues, he's not allowed into the exclusive, little club?

Do you understand what he's saying? WTF does gay marriage have to do with impending fiscal collapse?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Taking the comments of one stupid man about "Legitimate Rape" and claiming that's the philosophy of the Tea Party is absurd

That's the LMSM version of the Tea Party

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So what do you disagree with him on, Frank? You never addressed any of his issues. He said that conservative social issues are driving young people away from the party. He also said that we are on the verge of a fiscal collapse. He also said conservatives have to get out of the echo chamber. What did he say that was wrong?

When he said that the GOP has to spend less time focusing on issues like abortion, you ranted about the government taking away 1/3 of your paycheck.

I disagree with the basic premise that he's a Republican.

Besides that everything else is fine

I think he is a Republican. In fact, I think that the majority in the party think this way......which is why I'm not a Republican.

That's why Im getting involved locally as a Republican. The Party got Starkified and we need to push them out. Their Moderate views are just aiding the Neo-Marxists, plus they are a guaranteed loss nationally

 

[Toro]

When has the Tea Party mentioned legitimate rape?

In fact, who is the Tea Party? Does the idiot Repoublican who talked about legitimate rape represent the entire movement? Of course he does, so screw'em all, right?

Next you can defend the NCAA for calling the entire movement a bunch of racists.

I used that as an extreme example. Conservative social issues had permeated the Tea Party long before then.

I see. So legitimate rape has permeated through the Tea Party. I guess you would agree with the NAACP that racism has permeated through the movement as well.

No, that's not what I'm saying. As you said, the Tea Party began squabbling over social issues. Abortion is a social issue. There are many conservatives who believe that a pregnancy should be kept to term even if the woman is raped. When they started "squabbling" over issues such as abortion, they lost me. The discussion about "legitimate rape" was the nadir.

 

[Sunni Man]

After all, Bush is to blame for the likes of Obama and the conservative movement getting demonized. For you see, all they have to do is refer to "W" as a conservative and you successfully demonize an entire movement. The problem is, is that I can't think of anything conservative about the man, other than he said he opposed abortion. Well good for you George, that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing that.

Bush jr. was an eastern born and raised elitest liberal with an ivory league education who masqueraded as a Texas republican.

 

[Toro]

Taking the comments of one stupid man about "Legitimate Rape" and claiming that's the philosophy of the Tea Party is absurd

That's the LMSM version of the Tea Party

I didn't claim it was the philosophy of the Tea Party.

 

[Stephanie]

After all, Bush is to blame for the likes of Obama and the conservative movement getting demonized. For you see, all they have to do is refer to "W" as a conservative and you successfully demonize an entire movement. The problem is, is that I can't think of anything conservative about the man, other than he said he opposed abortion. Well good for you George, that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing that.

Bush jr. was an eastern born and raised elitest liberal with an ivory league education who masqueraded as a Texas republican.

true..Bush was NO Conservative..

 

[Votto]

After all, Bush is to blame for the likes of Obama and the conservative movement getting demonized. For you see, all they have to do is refer to "W" as a conservative and you successfully demonize an entire movement. The problem is, is that I can't think of anything conservative about the man, other than he said he opposed abortion. Well good for you George, that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing that.

Bush jr. was an eastern born and raised elitest liberal with an ivory league education who masqueraded as a Texas republican.

true..Bush was NO Conservative..

Let's go down memory lane just one more time!



The man had no conserative thoughts, mainly because he had no brain.

 

[chikenwing]

The Tea Party started by people concerned with fiscal issues. They later began to squabble over social issues.

^^^^
This.

The Tea Party became just another run of the mill conservative movement. I sympathized with them when they started on too much spending. I stopped when they started talking about issues like legitimate rape.

So why chose to be tone deaf? As with every group you have people that say really stupid shit that people do just as stupid ranting about, painting the whole group is an easy cop out.

 

[Votto]

Taking the comments of one stupid man about "Legitimate Rape" and claiming that's the philosophy of the Tea Party is absurd

That's the LMSM version of the Tea Party

I didn't claim it was the philosophy of the Tea Party.

Yea, you just implied it permeated the party as if to say it was a prevalent view.

Do you think racism has permeated it as well?

 

[Votto]

The Tea Party started by people concerned with fiscal issues. They later began to squabble over social issues.

^^^^
This.

The Tea Party became just another run of the mill conservative movement. I sympathized with them when they started on too much spending. I stopped when they started talking about issues like legitimate rape.

So why chose to be tone deaf? As with every group you have people that say really stupid shit that people do just as stupid ranting about, painting the whole group is an easy cop out.

Not the democrats.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxdj-ZwKNZ0]"The Best of Joe Biden's Gaffe's; A Continuing Series..." - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Toro]

Taking the comments of one stupid man about "Legitimate Rape" and claiming that's the philosophy of the Tea Party is absurd

That's the LMSM version of the Tea Party

I didn't claim it was the philosophy of the Tea Party.

Yea, you just implied it permeated the party as if to say it was a prevalent view.

Do you think racism has permeated it as well?

I'll link this since you apparently missed it.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/tea-p...he-world-agree-or-disagree-3.html#post6545829

 

[rdean]

I am a Republican becuase I believe in our core values, the valuse that I am trying to return to the party. I believe in fiscal responsibility and social freedoms. You have me confused with a tea partier, which is exactly the point I am trying to make. You automatically look at me and think, that guy wants to cut education because he is a Republican. I am at an automatic disadvantage. I believe in limiting union power, not eliminating critical thinking. Education is EVERYTHING! I want to have a legitamite discussion about this and to do that you need to realize that there are sane Republican out there, even though our numbers are taking a hit. I believe we can fix this, but I cant do it alone and I cant do it with someone questioning my values due to the actions of others.

I haven't confused you with anyone. I merely pointed out what passes for "core values" for today's Republican Party. I did question your insistence on an "attachment" to a political party that is determined to harm this country.

Data proves that since Reagan, "fiscal responsibility" is nothing Republicans believe in. Under Democrats, deficits shrink and the economy improves and the number of jobs have grown. The only similarity between the country and a company his how each improves and grows with "investment". Republicans don't believe in investing in this country. At least not since Eisenhower. Under Eisenhower, NASA was started. One of the greatest centers of scientific advancement ever created. Also, the interstate highway system, the lifeblood of the country.

In the middle 60's, Conservatives fled the Democratic Party and swelled the ranks of the Republican Party because many African Americans joined the Democratic Party. Today's Republicans try to take credit for what Republicans did BEFORE conservatives took it over. Today's Republican party is 90% white.

Unions represent a measly 10% or so of all American workers. Republicans want to end the minimum wage. Right wing colleges and universities, like Bob Jones and Liberty, are rated at no more than tier four. The Chinese funded Chamber of Commerce, who gives to Republicans 10 to 1 over Democrats, has helped move millions of jobs to China and close thousands of US factories under George Bush.

The last 40 years has seen a Republican Party that has lied to the American people, caused the deaths and maiming of tens of thousands of Americans, grew our deficit, wrecked our economy and neglected our infrastructure.

And if you think Republicans value education, you need to do a little research. Short answer is: They don't.

And finally, this a a complex world. The US has been the leaders in science and technology. We have the greatest variety of people that has ever existed. You can't name a country in the world that doesn't have sizable representation in this country. And yet, we want a "simple, small, ineffective government"? That's crazy. We need a government that works. One that is advanced with smart people in charge. Bush shows us what happens when people in charge of the government are stupid. Scientists who worked for Bush quit in droves because of his policies. Bush fired the qualified at the Justice Department and replaced them with Bible College students. Bush tried to get his secretary confirmed on the Supreme Court.

If anyone wants a discussion, come up with a Republican idea or policy in the last 40 years that is something worth talking about. Not these scripted sound bytes like, "Unions are bad" and "shrink government".

The goal can't be "shrink government". It has to be "good government" but as small as possible. But it has to work. If it doesn't work, who cares what the size is?

And finally, other country see "government, business and Universities" as working together. Republicans hate government, say universities are hotbeds of liberalism and want to turn over the country to corporations. al Qaeda hasn't been able to inflict a tenth the damage the Republicans have caused since 2000.

At least Democrats are a coalition party made up of everyone. Even conservatives (called Blue Dawgs). Republicans are 90% white. They have zero liberals.

I'm not sure if you have been viewing liberal policy in European countries lately or if you need a refresher course in economics. Here’s my problem with you. I present my position that most would see as reasonable, and you aren’t even able to acknowledge my willingness to compromise with you. I do not want a smaller govt, I want a government that does not pass a 700 trillion dollar stimulus package loaded with pork belly spending. Before you go and say "we needed that!" no shit we needed a stimulus, want to be Chris Matthews, but we needed it to spend such a large amount of tax payer money (you know those people that work in offices, schools and small business) more responsibly. You know what I’m talking about so don’t waste either of our times with asking for me to post the multiple sources I would have to, to prove a point everyone who knows anything is already aware of. When did I ever say I attended a right wing university, now your just throwing out insults to pad your self-ingenious rant about how the party ruined America, we get it Michael Moore we are evil people. Has it ever crossed your mind that I am in full support of Nasa and infrastructure that can be paid for from money that isnt borrowed? Simple and small is not what I believe our country needs, we need one that is effective and understands it role. Hey man if you want to go off on your elitist, I’m better than you because I am a democrat rant go ahead, but you are just being as unproductive as the republicans you claim to crusade against. I really don’t get it. You keep waiting for everyone to see the light and become a democrat where ponies run free and everyone loves each other, I’m going to continue to have rational conservative opinions on fiscal responsibility and social freedoms from an effective government and hope to work with those with opposing opinions. You see that is the difference between you and I, when you talk politics people groan and say oh there he goes again, but when I talk politics to others no matter what that persons views are, we are usually able to have an adult debate where some result can be reached. Unless I am talking to a person like you, and the sad part is, both Republican and Democrat, there are plenty of “yous”. People who think that their opinion is God’s gift to politics. Until you realize what your type of person is doing to this country please don’t respond, if you want to have a big boy conversataion then come back to me with some actual substance.

700 trillion? I'm hoping that's a "typo". You know Republicans insisted Obama took a trip costing 200 million a DAY and used half our Navy for escort?

Once you start throwing out "liberal European" and "elitist", you prove the propaganda has "took". How can you have a discussion when, clearly, you can't get passed the indoctrination?

All companies "borrow". The company I work at "borrows". And you tell me I need to learn about economics?

The truth is, no right wing college is higher than tier four. It's because they don't believe in science or data or study. They get their imagined facts from the Heritage Foundation. Intelligent people would study the data and debate on what it means. Republicans don't use data. And the "data" they do use is made up. Which means they don't use data.

And speaking of "rant", check your entire rant and point out the "substance". I didn't see any.

And about that infrastructure. Every country on earth uses infrastructure spending to improve their country and boost their economy. Even Republicans have always done that. The ONLY reason they don't want to do it now is they were hoping to bring down Obama. You can go state by state and see who received infrastructure money and what it was spent on. You will find over a hundred Republican senators and congressmen receiving hundreds of billions and spending it on everything from sewers to railroads to bridges to broadband and then taking credit for projects they voted against. We call that "hypocrisy".

If you're going to play with the big boys, you better find some facts and "LINK TO THEM". No one takes anyone's word without some support. Right wingers call me names, but they don't prove me wrong. Unless they make something up and insist that was something I said. That's been tried numerous times. What else do they have?

 

[rdean]

Bush jr. was an eastern born and raised elitest liberal with an ivory league education who masqueraded as a Texas republican.

true..Bush was NO Conservative..

Let's go down memory lane just one more time!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEbZqvMu2cQ]Must See Hilarious George Bush Bloopers! - VERY FUNNY - YouTube[/ame]

The man had no conserative thoughts, mainly because he had no brain.

Sorry, to me, those clips simply show the man has a "sense of humor". Sure, he may not have been very bright, but to say he didn't follow "conservative policies" is just plain wrong. He moved the wealth of the nation to the top 1%. You can't get any more conservative than that.

During his administration, millions of jobs were moved to China, tens of thousands of factories were closed down in this country so business could strip the country of any capital. Can you get any more conservative?

He even said the jury was out on evolution. He started a war just to get money to his friends. The guy was a true conservative. Remember, Romney took over a billion in taxpayer money for the Olympics so his friends in Utah could prosper. As president, Bush was able to do so much more. Looking at what happened, it's not like you could argue.

 

[Reuben]

I am a Republican becuase I believe in our core values, the valuse that I am trying to return to the party. I believe in fiscal responsibility and social freedoms.

You are a Goldwater Republican. So was I. I have found that it is easier to be a fiscally conservative social libertarian as a democrat than as a republican.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Young "Republican", just a heads up, Rdean is as insane as any Batman Villain. We suspect he was accidentally abandoned at the Republican Convention in 1968 and since then he's gone totally mental and blames everything from Global Warming to fluctuation in currencies to dirty cutlery in restaurants on Republicans. Think of him as the Penguin, but with Republicans flying inside his head

I'm an evil person so I tell posters that the Koch Brother pays Deany to post here to make Liberals look like total fucking morons, but the truth is that Deany is mentally ill. I shouldn't make fun but as I said, I'm evil -- and I have a great time of it.

 

[Toro]

I am a Republican becuase I believe in our core values, the valuse that I am trying to return to the party. I believe in fiscal responsibility and social freedoms.

You are a Goldwater Republican. So was I. I have found that it is easier to be a fiscally conservative social libertarian as a democrat than as a republican.

Yup.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Thats the problem i think. Anyone who disagrees with that thinks im either one of those two. Im the exact opposite. Anyone who knows me, knows I am a devout Republican. [Why? Democrats can be fiscal conservatives too. Is the difference big gov't vis a vis small gov't which caused you to select the R's?] Thats why I am trying to warn people what is going on, I am trying to save our party. [Good luck, anyone who does not accept the TP/Norquist Dogma is a RINO and not welcome] In 20 years these fanatics will be either dead or irrellevant and we need to attract people my age and the only way we can do this is by stop acting crazy. Call me what you guys want to, I dont really care, but I am just trying to warn you what our party will become if we allow the Tea Party to become a prominent voice.

Keep a journal - I wish I had - and a list of the way things ought to be at this time in your life. Keep it as you choose a career (at your age I too took the LSAT and was accepted to University of San Francisco law School; as the course work was to start 8 months later I got a job working in the court system and decided 1) I didn't like lawyers and 2) I liked working within the CJS. As for pensions Safety Retirement cannot be beat), marry, buy a home, have kids and grandkids. The journal will show how you change over time and act as a guide in parenting/advising your kids.

 

[YoungRepublican]

I think we are missing my point with this thread.. I dont identify with the Democratic party because their fiscal beliefs just dont align with mine. Im just making the simple suggestion that outside of highly conservative areas (Oklahoma, Kansas, the Dakotas, etc.) Young people who identify with fiscal dicipline are so turned off by the far, far right wing of our party that they just choose to vote democrat, mainly because they dont do their homework. A big reason why they fail to vote Republican is due to the lack of tolerance we have for opposing views. I find it sort of crazy that just because I disagree with the Tea Party's social politics, some of you tell me I'm not even a Republican.. I guess what Im trying to say is that if you are a hard line conservative, you need to realize that these social policies are hurting our party in the place we really need the help, the youth. Defend your opinions, but dont say im not a Republican because I dont align with you on every position. What are we without a little civility?