Where do you republicans draw the line on privatizing government services?

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    Where do you republicans draw the line on privatizing government services?


    Republicans don't. The Constitution does.

    Is a "Service" (liberalspeak for a function of government people are forced into by law) authorized by the Constitution?

    If it is, good. If it isn't, then the Fed govt shouldn't be doing it (or paying for it) at all. The states and the people can still do it if they want to, though.

    Not because Republicans say so. But because the Constitution says so.

    Are you beginning to understand at last?

    And if there's a service not on the list, that you want to Fed govt to handle, no problem. Just get 2/3 of each house of Congress, and 3/4 of the states, to agree, and you're home free. (The Constitution allows for that, too.) If the service is so much wanted, you shouldn't have any trouble with that. Right?
     
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    OMG. You sound like one of those fucking Libertarians. Good job bro.. Hope you're serious.. :badgrin:
     
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    You're not even capable of asking the right questions because of your puny understanding of how things work. I can excuse that -- because that's a fact of life for the folks that WORSHIP huge govt and run to it every time they get triggered by something out of order or want a "law".

    Privatization doesn't REQUIRE regulations. Regulations exist separately whether the task is task is done by unmotivated bureaucrats or a private entity. Same regulations apply. What you WANTED to ask is about the OVERSIGHT AND MANAGEMENT of a privatization deal. Sometimes this means the govt simply CONTRACTS for that good or service and simply manages the contract requirements. Sometimes it means that the govt directly works WITH the contractor and is the LEAD MGT for that program.

    The Apollo project was a good example of the latter. NASA didn't get us to moon. Northrup, Grumman, GE, Boeing, General Dynamics, Honeywell and others got us to the moon. But in that case of "privatization", the govt maintained the LEAD role in direct chain of command.

    The TSA expansion was a great example of how FEDERALIZING an entire new workforce introduced massive problems in oversight and mgt of that people. It would have been far better to "privatize" that workforce thru contracts and just do the oversight. Corporations are better suited to INNOVATION and acquiring and using technology than the Federal govt.

    You need to realize that the Federal Govt is one of the most backwards and sluggish organizations on the entire fucking planet. At the time of 9.11, the FBI was using rolodexes, rotary phones, filing cabinets and teletype machines. That's the reason that the LOST the lead position in domestic surveillance. They lost it to the NSA, but that's another story. Since the NSA is the exception to the rule and has ALWAYS been one of the ONLY hotbeds of technology driven innovations that exist in the Fed govt.

    Couldn't even build a ObamaCare website on time and without a $Bill because the MANAGEMENT skills of overseeing and communicating with contractors is so piss poor.

    How do I KNOW THIS? I spent 10 years in R&D selling the most advanced technology ideas to govt. I know where the small groups of COMPETENT agencies exist. And it's a pitifully small fraction of the Govt that you worship as competent, efficient, innovative, and motivated. They AIN'T NONE of those things in general.. Also worked briefly at Kennedy Space Center as a contract scientist. Not really impressed with that govt function either.
     
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    I am not a Republican because they are Progressive and big government Liberals jut like the filthy Democrats.

    However, as a real Conservative:

    I think there is a limited role for government. Defense, police, courts, state department, immigration etc.

    Many government functions that we do like education, health care, road building etc could be done more efficiently by privatization. The government always fucks everything up.

    The government should never be in the business of taking money from an individual to be used for any kind of stupid social bullshit. For instance, we don't need to privatize Social Security because we shouldn't have Social Security. We sure as hell don't need welfare.
     
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    I don't need to take it to anyone. I can do that math on my own.

    And while the dollar figure is quite stunning, that generally assumes a more risky investment strategy.

    Even with a conservative investment strategy the amount is significant and better than expected payments.

    Additionally, assuming you live off the interest only, you can pass the principle on.
     
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    I'm a sick man and don't know how long God will let me live into retirement if I make it to retirement at all. I have no complaints, but what I am upset about is all the money I gave to government to take care of me, and that money may go to taking care of people I never even met yet alone not being family.

    I would have gladly taken the risk and perhaps retire early because all that loot would be a large sum of money now. Don't forget that FICA is a cute acronym for Social Security. It's the same thing only with a different name. If all that money was under my control since the day I started working, I would be in great shape today, and if not me, my family if I kicked off.
     
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    Has not worked well for us, yes government makes a mess, private makes money paid for by us and leaves a mess for our money to clean up.
     
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    But what about the specific examples I gave?
     
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    Far left religious dogma does not count in the real world!

    If you have any real world examples, then provide them.

    Come back when you have some!
     
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    I think our roads, schools, police force, fire department, legal system, national parks, liberty's and social safetynet shouldn't ever be privatized.

    I think we have gone to far already.
     

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