Where did the American jobs go???

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    Walk down the mile long aisles at any Super Walmart.. Pick up 5, 10, 20 items.. Maybe one from each of the departments.. Where is the product made???? WHat percentage is manufactured in the US,, how about China???

    The talk today was about Social Security, funding it,, regulating, revisiting the formulas for distribution, etc...

    Folks, forgettaboutit!@!@@@!!!!

    America is F'n BROKE.. This country dosn' have a pot to piss in,((that is made in this country.)) We are borrowing money from the same son of a bitches that are supplying the bullets that kill our kids in Iraq.... Go figure.

    Walk buy the local elementary school's parking lots for staff. Count the numbers of Dodge, Chevys and Fords, , then count the Hondas, Nissans, etc... Which country made the car your kid's school principal drives???

    OF the foreign made cars you see on the road, especially the Kias,,, how many of them have Amercian Flags on the rear windows, or SUPPORT OUR TROOPS sticker stuck on the back????? How can we be supporting our troops when we are not fighting at home to keep the civilian jobs of our men and women serving in the military from being stolen, or shipped to foreign shores while they are away fighting for us????

    ANOTHER JOKE.. LET THE CHINESE MAKE MORE CLOTHES FOR THE US MARKET....... WE WILL LOSE GARMENT WORKERS BUT GAIN TRUCKERS AND LONG SHOREMAN!!!! TODAY's News 12/13/04

    Tell that to the immigrant, or long time resident who works in a US textile plant in Ohio, or North Carolina. Lot of good it will do them.

    Why it matters where a pair of blue jeans is made.. F' the sewing... sure.. There is one person who's skillset may be limited, but has that skill that needs that job of assembling a pair of jeans.. Then you have the inspector who makes sure that the pair is done correctly,,, then you have the stock clerk who gathers the garments and brings to the warehouse person who loads up the bins full of blue jeans.. Must have at least one person shipping the goods out, and maybe one person sweeping the floors,,, and how about the sewing machines and computerized laser cutting machines?? Must be some technicans on duty to service that stuff..... How about the sales staff?? The accountants, and payroll people??? How about the healthcare benefits they receive from their employer???

    Seams to me,, no pun intended,, that it takes many people to make a pair of jeans in the US.. We are not losing just one job and gaining two,, we are losing probably 20 per plant, per company, per town, per state..... Why?? SO the likes of Filenes, or Walmart can squeeze another buck or two from an imported garment for profits while killing off another American mill town???


    I doubt many Americans care... Actions speak louder than words.. The proof is in the results we see occuring every day.. And every day America's future is getting more dim... And will continue down this dark path until the Chinese buy up ALL of the IBM's left in America, and then there will be no America.. My guess, we have less than 30 years left as Americans.


    Please America's people, proove me very wrong.
     
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    so, what do you think about the "weakening" dollar?
     
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    I doubt many Americans care... Actions speak louder than words.. The proof is in the results we see occuring every day.. And every day America's future is getting more dim... And will continue down this dark path until the Chinese buy up ALL of the IBM's left in America, and then there will be no America.. My guess, we have less than 30 years left as Americans.
     
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    You should check out the Rescue American Jobs group. I believe they have a website on the Internet. This is probably a problem that American workers are going to have to solve themselves. Practically all the manufacturing plants in our city have closed down, and the work has been outsourced to foreign countries. All that is left is Otis Elevator, and the expectation is that they will be gone within five years. Our biggest employers now are the hospital and the university. I, for one, don't believe America can stay at the top of the heap financially as primarily a service industry country.
     
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    Who cares, it's mostly cheap crap. Why should we make cheap crap instead of hi-tech products and services?


    Forget about old people? How mean.

    Last I checked we are the richest country around, and #3 in overall GDP per capita.

    Has this somehow changed from growing at record rates again this year?

    No, I don't think so.


    Cars were invented more than a century. So tell me again why we need to still build cars and not something newer?

    You mean we need must enact socialist measures to stay 'competitive', and thats the American way somehow?

    I bet making 100K+/year as a long shoreman is better than working in a sweatshop, hmm?

    Hell, maybe then immigrants won't come here then.

    I'm sure when jeans become a national emergency, we'll manage with no problem. That is if the 'job creating' government hasn't totally f*cked the flexibility and individual initiative driving our great American economy.

    Maybe they can get jobs at Walmart then! Or make software, cure cancer, or you know, do something better with their lives.

    I suppose every era of technological enhancement in our economy has already done that.
     
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    I remember three things more than anything else when I was a kid and very young man. One was the government wanting everyone to get a S.S. card, promising it will "Never be revealed to any one except your employer and not become an I.D.". (It was even printed on the bottom of the S.S. card) Another was Priest and little boys, and the third was the Government promising the people that one day our nation would become a "SERVICE NATION", I assume that meant that all the hard work would be done by other country's and we would have the easy work and all the knowledge. After a few years the talk stopped, but the idea still hung on. Sam Walden (rest his soul) didn't like that idea. When he started Wal-Mart he wouldn't have any foreign stuff in his store. If he needed a product and it wasn't available, he would help some one set up a business to build it and supply it. After his death that idea was shot to hell. As far as blame goes, I blame three things for loss of jobs. First, the so called environmental groups that don't have anything better to do than dream up stupid crap to stop jobs, and second, the Government for listening to them and acting like every little item is bad for you so we have to stop it. And there is also the stupid lawsuits that are allowed to go to court ( i.e. hot coffee spilled in lap) that make businesses so paranoid they are afraid to create any more jobs and people are afraid to start a business because they will get sued. The third and most important, is O.S.H.A. This was a very good idea in 1971 when it was implemented into the work place, but over the years it gotten to be a bureaucracy that can't be controlled. If you are in the heavy industry O.S.H.A. rules adds "approximately" 30% to the cost of doing business. There are some jobs that have been canceled and sent overseas because of their rules. Until our Government lets the people become responsible for their own lives, we will continue to lose jobs to other countries.
     
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    One more thing to add to the list...

    Shitty products from American factories that are more expensive.
    Who's gonna buy that crap..Just the Union folks that make it, it seems.
     
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    First things first....Working Man, what does the first digit/letter does the VIN number on your car start with? Let me know, and I will tell you whether or not you have a valid post.
     
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    you know working, you must be young. otherwise, you would recall that in the 80's, the same thing was said about the US. But then, it was the Japanese that were going to buy our nation. Today, it is the Chinese (according to you and a few other liberals).

    The economy runs in cycles. In the late 80's, the dollar was strong and so we shipped a lot of jobs overseas. In the early 90's, the dollar weakened, manufacturing came back to the USA and then, in the late 90's, Clinton let his buddy Soros cause an economic catastrophy in Asia which led US manufacturers to once again outsourcing jobs to Asia to cut costs and to compete with the Euro. Now, the dollar is weakening and before long, the jobs will start coming back to the USA. This is not a new cycle. It is one that has been occuring since the end of WWII and before that I am sure. Already our exports are increasing (due to a weak dollar) and yes, we are importing, but one thing they don't mention is that a lot of the imports are being imported from US manufacturers with facilities overseas. As I said, if the dollar keeps weakening, it will be cheaper to MFR here and the jobs will come back.
     
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    Free and fun, the asian economic crisis was not Clintons fault it
    was caused by lots of things and yes giant hedge funds with a serious moral hazard played a part. Other than that I agree with everything you have to say and only have one addition. When american jobs are shipped off shore, foreign wage rates increase and their employment increases. This causes an increase in world demand. This is a terrific thing as it stimulates the world economy. I don't know if you follow the world bank much, but if you are board and want to read somthing truely inspirational you should check out the speech made by the current director when he was first hired. It is amazingly capatilist for all of the right reasons and tales the economic debate of world production way out of the box.
    Cheers
    HUCK
     

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