When & Why Did Our Moms Become Less Than Human?

[Correll]

Please present an example about rap music supporting love and marriage.

Would rather have preferred a lyrics sheet, but that certainly seems to support your point.


I looked up the song in the ratings. It was 22.

However, what was number one was also not nearly as offensive as I think of rap music being.

It may be that my exposure to rap music is limited to what crap assholes play so loudly that they force me to hear.

That may be unsolvable.

Its actually very solvable....Stop being ignorant of other music and pretending that what you hear is all there is. Or more simply dont assume

I will not assume that I well versed in rap music.

That being said, I doubt that rap music is the cause of the problem here rather than reflecting an issue that exists independently.

As two tumbs tried to discuss, the breakdown of the family is a more likely culprit (of causing a negative view of women).

And does that also apply to other races as well?

because bitch, slut and hoe is not exclusive to blacks only?

Everything I have heard of the issue is that it is just as destructive to people regardless of race.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Would rather have preferred a lyrics sheet, but that certainly seems to support your point.


I looked up the song in the ratings. It was 22.

However, what was number one was also not nearly as offensive as I think of rap music being.

It may be that my exposure to rap music is limited to what crap assholes play so loudly that they force me to hear.

That may be unsolvable.

Its actually very solvable....Stop being ignorant of other music and pretending that what you hear is all there is. Or more simply dont assume

I will not assume that I well versed in rap music.

That being said, I doubt that rap music is the cause of the problem here rather than reflecting an issue that exists independently.

As two tumbs tried to discuss, the breakdown of the family is a more likely culprit (of causing a negative view of women).

And does that also apply to other races as well?

because bitch, slut and hoe is not exclusive to blacks only?

Everything I have heard of the issue is that it is just as destructive to people regardless of race.

Yeah but for some reason the only race that is discussed is black by whites.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The following means the poster of "For that to trigger your "racism alarm" shows that the person here who can NOT talk rationally and honestly about race is you." refuses to realize that he is racist. Racists, and their supporters, don't set the rules, bub.

I liked your comment about rap possible being a symptom of an issue that plagues the dole culture. My wife tells me rap music is a staple among the women with whom our daughter in law works.

 

[Correll]

Would rather have preferred a lyrics sheet, but that certainly seems to support your point.


I looked up the song in the ratings. It was 22.

However, what was number one was also not nearly as offensive as I think of rap music being.

It may be that my exposure to rap music is limited to what crap assholes play so loudly that they force me to hear.

That may be unsolvable.

Its actually very solvable....Stop being ignorant of other music and pretending that what you hear is all there is. Or more simply dont assume

I will not assume that I well versed in rap music.

That being said, I doubt that rap music is the cause of the problem here rather than reflecting an issue that exists independently.

As two tumbs tried to discuss, the breakdown of the family is a more likely culprit (of causing a negative view of women).

And does that also apply to other races as well?

because bitch, slut and hoe is not exclusive to blacks only?

Everything I have heard of the issue is that it is just as destructive to people regardless of race.

Yeah but for some reason the only race that is discussed is black by whites.

This thread was started by someone who is presenting themselves as black.

I have always been very concerned about the rising rates of illegitimacy in brown and white populations, and was very happy to recently see some numbers showing a leveling off.


The fact that blacks have very high levels of illegitimacy AND very high levels of various other social ills is strong evidence that illegitimacy cause those problems.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Born out of wedlock is indeed a problem. In context, we find "Preliminary data indicate that 40.7 percent of all 2012 births were out-of-wedlock, which is appalling, and there are vast differences among racial and ethnic groups. Among non-Hispanic blacks, the figure is highest, at 72.2 percent; for American Indians/Alaska Natives, it’s 66.9 percent; 53.5 percent for Hispanics; 29.4 percent for non-Hispanic whites; and a mere 17.1 percent for Asians/Pacific Islanders."

Read more at: Latest Statistics on Out-of-Wedlock Births National Review Online

 

[Correll]

The following means the poster of "For that to trigger your "racism alarm" shows that the person here who can NOT talk rationally and honestly about race is you." refuses to realize that he is racist. Racists, and their supporters, don't set the rules, bub.

I liked your comment about rap possible being a symptom of an issue that plagues the dole culture. My wife tells me rap music is a staple among the women with whom our daughter in law works.

I did not claim to be some authority who sets rules. I explained my reasoning for why I said that you had demonstrated that you are the one that cannot talk rationally and honestly about race.

You are the one that saw racism in the fact that a response to a question about blacks mentioned blacks.

That is not me settings rules or definitions. THat is about you.

I'm glad that you liked my comment on rap.

 

[Roadrunner]

Correll, you got it backwards, deliberately, and are apologizing for the escalation of the racist remark by the poster. Many of the far right reactionaries are racists as we have seen the last few weeks.

Guys, every time you attempt to take an OP out of context, you will always get a metaphorical boot up your collective ass. That will always be the result. Always.

America deserves so much better than you podjos.

This is the question the OP asked.

"Who is responsible for *influencing or conditioning* many young Americans of African descent to characterize our moms, sisters, grandmas, daughters and aunts as less than human creatures?"

Two Thumb blamed the government and programs that "replace" the father with a "government check".

But since he mentioned Blacks, in response to a question about blacks, you accused him of being racist.

THe problem is not that we conservatives are taking anything "out of context" or making "racist remarks" but that we dare to speak politically uncomfortable truths.

Do you think the breakdown of the family is a good thing or a bad thing?

The Left thinks it is wonderful because it creates Dem and other dependents.

 

[Correll]

Correll, you got it backwards, deliberately, and are apologizing for the escalation of the racist remark by the poster. Many of the far right reactionaries are racists as we have seen the last few weeks.

Guys, every time you attempt to take an OP out of context, you will always get a metaphorical boot up your collective ass. That will always be the result. Always.

America deserves so much better than you podjos.

This is the question the OP asked.

"Who is responsible for *influencing or conditioning* many young Americans of African descent to characterize our moms, sisters, grandmas, daughters and aunts as less than human creatures?"

Two Thumb blamed the government and programs that "replace" the father with a "government check".

But since he mentioned Blacks, in response to a question about blacks, you accused him of being racist.

THe problem is not that we conservatives are taking anything "out of context" or making "racist remarks" but that we dare to speak politically uncomfortable truths.

Do you think the breakdown of the family is a good thing or a bad thing?

The Left thinks it is wonderful because it creates Dem and other dependents.

THat certainly seems to be the case based on their actions.

Not the least of which is the constant playing of the Race Card whenever the issue is mentioned.

 

[Roadrunner]

What happened? Why have females fallen out of favor with many young people who write rap hip hop performances?

Presenting ignorance as a foundation for your thoughts is fun. See because there is plenty of hip hop out there about love, marriage etc but you seem to only gravitate toward the "trap music" and as a result of you only listening to one facet of Hip hop it makes you believe thats all their is out there.

Its like saying Rock is violent when all I listen to is Megadeath

Please present an example about rap music supporting love and marriage.

What happened? Why have females fallen out of favor with many young people who write rap hip hop performances?

Presenting ignorance as a foundation for your thoughts is fun. See because there is plenty of hip hop out there about love, marriage etc but you seem to only gravitate toward the "trap music" and as a result of you only listening to one facet of Hip hop it makes you believe thats all their is out there.

Its like saying Rock is violent when all I listen to is Megadeath

Please present an example about rap music supporting love and marriage.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You guys want to bad talk a race out of context, you will get outed.

Every time.

Does anyone truly believe a Mom who listens to rap is less than human? That's what I would expect from koshergril or someone of that perspective..

 

[ClosedCaption]

What happened? Why have females fallen out of favor with many young people who write rap hip hop performances?

Presenting ignorance as a foundation for your thoughts is fun. See because there is plenty of hip hop out there about love, marriage etc but you seem to only gravitate toward the "trap music" and as a result of you only listening to one facet of Hip hop it makes you believe thats all their is out there.

Its like saying Rock is violent when all I listen to is Megadeath

Please present an example about rap music supporting love and marriage.

What happened? Why have females fallen out of favor with many young people who write rap hip hop performances?

Presenting ignorance as a foundation for your thoughts is fun. See because there is plenty of hip hop out there about love, marriage etc but you seem to only gravitate toward the "trap music" and as a result of you only listening to one facet of Hip hop it makes you believe thats all their is out there.

Its like saying Rock is violent when all I listen to is Megadeath

Please present an example about rap music supporting love and marriage.

You guys want to bad talk a race out of context, you will get outed.

Every time.

Does anyone truly believe a Mom who listens to rap is less than human? That's what I would expect from koshergril or someone of that perspective..

They arent ever curious to find out about differences in race. Every discussion starts with an assumption they made up or believe widely amongst blacks and the whole time they are saying "Prove my pre conceived feelings wrong" Then when you do, they still hold on tighter than a Cowboy at a Rodeo. Nothing will shake them....facts, reality....whatever

 

[Zoom-boing]

What happened? Why have females fallen out of favor with many young people who write rap hip hop performances?

Presenting ignorance as a foundation for your thoughts is fun. See because there is plenty of hip hop out there about love, marriage etc but you seem to only gravitate toward the "trap music" and as a result of you only listening to one facet of Hip hop it makes you believe thats all their is out there.

Its like saying Rock is violent when all I listen to is Megadeath

Please present an example about rap music supporting love and marriage.

What happened? Why have females fallen out of favor with many young people who write rap hip hop performances?

Presenting ignorance as a foundation for your thoughts is fun. See because there is plenty of hip hop out there about love, marriage etc but you seem to only gravitate toward the "trap music" and as a result of you only listening to one facet of Hip hop it makes you believe thats all their is out there.

Its like saying Rock is violent when all I listen to is Megadeath

Please present an example about rap music supporting love and marriage.

You guys want to bad talk a race out of context, you will get outed.

Every time.

Does anyone truly believe a Mom who listens to rap is less than human? That's what I would expect from koshergril or someone of that perspective..

They arent ever curious to find out about differences in race. Every discussion starts with an assumption they made up or believe widely amongst blacks and the whole time they are saying "Prove my pre conceived feelings wrong" Then when you do, they still hold on tighter than a Cowboy at a Rodeo. Nothing will shake them....facts, reality....whatever

I don't care about the differences in races. I treat everyone the same regardless of their skin color.

Now if they're a jackass, well that's a horse of a different color altogether.

 

[emilynghiem]

Hi. I am puzzled by something, perhaps someone can help?

Who is responsible for *influencing or conditioning* many young Americans of African descent to characterize our moms, sisters, grandmas, daughters and aunts as less than human creatures?

Growing up in the 60s, year after year I'd roll out of bed in the morning, crank up my 9v transistor radio listening to contemporary sounds, including a new genre of American music its artists, composers, lyricists and producers called Motown.

My Motown musician friends wrote and performed music that made me smile, wanting to dance, celebrate life and wanting to experience the love between a man and a woman they were constantly telling me about. Every hour of every day I could tune in my radio and listen to my talented Motown musician friends singing songs praising and loving women

Listening to these musicians celebrating life and loving women *conditioned me* to believe they are good, peaceful people deserving of respect, admiration and a large *"Thank you"* for sharing their musical talent with me, my friends and our world.

What I am trying to figure out is why today, many of my Motown friend's children and grandchildren are writing contemporary music performance lyrics that clearly are demeaning and HATING on each other, as well as writing lyrics demeaning women, our moms, sisters, grandmas, daughters and aunts, characterizing women as *itches* and *hores*, essentially less than human not deserving of respect? Which is pretty much how greedy or genuinely ignorant early Euros characterized the African people they abducted and enslaved.

What happened? Why have females fallen out of favor with many young people who write rap hip hop performances?

Another question. Today when ten-year-old American kids wake up, tune into their fav contemporary radio station, listening to lyrics describing anti-social activities and behaviors their parents, community and educators are telling them are harmful to them, their neighbors and community, what opinions, if any, will these 5th grade children form about the music performers writing music lyrics describing anti-social behaviors and activities that often emotionally traumatize and physically harm individual peaceful people and the neighborhoods they live or work in?

Who is responsible for influencing some or many Americans of African descent to view females as less than human *itches?

What subliminal messages are today's youngsters learning when they hear Americans of African descent characterizing women, aka our moms, sisters, grandmas, daughters and aunts, as inhuman bvtches, not worthy of respect?

Thanks.

#RestorePrideInParenting
#EndChildAbuseNeglect

Jews control and finance the music industry.

Destroying a societies morals and culture for money is what they do. ......

I would agree with some of what Sunni Man is saying
if it's for the money, then taking a negative trend and exploiting it to the Nth degree is all for marketing, to cash in while the trend is at its peak.

I would agree with that.
Follow the money.

If it's controversial and stirs up hype and rating for money,
that explains this trend. Whatever is hot, they'll push that button.

 

[AveryJarhman]

beautiful dog in your avi, I love herding dogs and have three herding mixed furry friends who live with me.

Hello, Evince.

Yeah, he is gorgeous. I've always been a sucker for a pretty face. Though in my opinion most all domesticated canines are beautiful loving creatures that make me smile.

Its hate hate does this
young black men were left with much anger about their society.
that anger got reaffirmed by ganster music.
it makes young men feel good to pretend they will never be mainstream and settle down.
to them it feels like freedom
young men have always gone through this stage.
its rebellion
its why white young men love rap too

Yes, Evince, it is hate. In my opinion the hate many of these rappers write or speak about is born, when they are born to immature moms who irresponsibly build families before acquiring the skills, PATIENCE and means to properly care for and nurture developing human life.

Many kids born in the Brooklyn community I served were victims of child abuse and neglect at the hands of their immature single-moms.

Unlike Kendrick Lamar and Tupac Shakur who clearly describe the child abuse they were victimized by, many children, teens, adults are not going to blame their own moms for introducing them to a life of pain and struggle, thereby depriving them of experiencing a safe, fairly happy Average Joe American kid childhood, so they find others to vent their anger and frustrations on.

Evince, I am certain many people with average intelligence realize the root causes of crime and violence are in part related to some/many children's early up-bringing and care. Perhaps this case of child maltreatment and emotional abuse/neglect, will in part, offer a reason for why some/many kids growing up in America experience depression, lack empathy for their neighbors, often resorting to committing violent and other crimes to vent their anger and frustrations.

I met this "clueless" mom some years ago while providing uniform police services to a Brooklyn, NY community.

One evening a call for police service brought me to a young mom's second floor walk-up apartment in a private dwelling, she was reporting the theft of a Boom-Box radio taken from her kitchen window sill by someone trespassing on her building's fire escape.

Entering this young mom's apartment I observed several children, some in diapers, a few older, sitting on a living room couch, an aluminum fifty-five gallon, half-filled trash can was sitting right in the middle of her tiny living room, as if it was her coffee table. One of her living room walls was smeared with several dark stains of what I believed to be human waste.

I calmly recorded her theft complaint and left, immediately reporting my observations to my sergeant who instructed me to contact child welfare. Forty-five minutes later the children were removed from this mom's care, temporarily placed in the custody and care of the people of New York City.

Sadly, this was not my only interaction with this mom.

Months later I arrested her younger brother for robbery. According to the victims and one witness to this act of violence who recognized her brother from the neighborhood, he placed what appeared to be a handgun in the face of two victims and threatened their lives while demanding and taking their property.

Until she arrived at the precinct to protest her brother's arrest, I had no idea my young prisoner was related to the mom whose maltreated children I caused to be taken from her months earlier. At the top of her lungs, much like Michael Brown's father when he was recorded reacting to the perceived injustice to his family member, she adamantly insisted her brother was not a robber.

I showed her the gun I recovered from her brother's pocket, I told her one witness knows her brother from the neighborhood, still not convinced she came very close to being arrested for becoming disorderly and refusing to leave the precinct station house once her business was done. Later I learned that she appeared in court when her younger brother was arrested months earlier for an unrelated robbery.

What was the point of lying about her brother not being a street thug, when there are public records indicating she knew he was committing acts of violence toward people months before she looked me in the eye and vehemently denied her brother is a robber?

I believe I know the answer to my own question. Again, I have no formal training in understanding why people tend to act the way they do, however based on my life experiences I believe Boom-Box mom lied to me without a care or second thought because she was raised to believe lying and denial is how people cope with uncomfortable situations..or..she never acquired and developed the critical thinking skills required to look past living in the moment, or the "here and now'.

Time and time again I interviewed adults and teens who lied to me about easily verifiable facts, often placing themselves at risk for being arrested for obstructing or impeding criminal investigations. Is this something most people with average critical thinking skills would do?

After every day or night's work I had a 30-40 minute commute home, which gave me time to reflect on the day's events, how I responded to them, and what I learned from them. Many nights I would drive home with a smile on my face, thinking to myself, "Holy smokes, I can't believe I get paid to have this much fun identifying and locking up dangerous people."

During many of these winding-down, reflective moments I would actually experience a euphoric feeling of being "high on life." For me, at that time in my career, chasing down seriously dangerous bad people who illegally armed themselves with firearms for the purpose of committing mayhem on a mostly peaceful population of working class and poor fellow Americans was the ultimate high, as well as a fringe benefit of police work.

In many cases after taking an alleged dangerous person into custody, I had the opportunity to speak with them and gain 'some' insight into what makes them tick. I have no formal training in psychology, however, after meeting and talking with many people who are alleged to have committed crimes in this community, I personally concluded many of the people I arrested were raised and nurtured in environments that lacked real love, understanding, caring and guidance.

Driving home after my first interaction with the aforementioned Boom-Box mom, I thought about her values, her understanding of what is expected of the people who nurture our children, her consideration for laws that society imposes on all people who assume the serious responsibility of rearing children.

I concluded Boom-Box mom was "clueless," lacking good judgment and skills in all areas required for her to be a good nurturer.

I asked myself, "What is going on in the mind of a mother who invites a law enforcement official into her home, in which she has created a environment for her children that posed a serious risk to their physical well being and health, as well as their psychological development?"

"Does she not realize what she is doing to her children or how her clueless behavior can imprint and affect them for life?"

"Before calling the police did Boom-Box mom not realize society enacted laws protecting her children from the physically harmful and emotionally abusive home she created for them?"

I have to believe Boom-Box mom's method for parenting is a learned behavior, instilled either during her own upbringing or gleaned from the people she is friends or associates with. Which leaves me wondering if Boom-Box mom ever invited friends or guests to her apartment, and if she did, why didn't they report the apparent maltreatment and emotional abuse she was exposing her helpless children to?

I am not trying to be harsh by characterizing Boom-Box mom as totally "clueless." I believe she is a victim of a society accepted cycle of dysfunctional family and community environments...from birth, it appears Boom-Box mom was not shown what a loving environment is made of, it's difficult for me to be mad at people who are victimized by the recurring cycle, and it certainly makes me better understand why so much rage, anger and frustration exists in the hearts and minds of young "black people" who are raised in these environments.

If I was being raised in the cycle of poverty by a "clueless" parent, as I mature, learning more about the world and witnessing how others are having fun, prospering, loving their families and lives, more than likely over time I'd be real upset, simmering, maybe even rage as I aged and my home environment does not improve.

I think about Boom-Box mom's children and what they have to look forward to, what skills does she offer her children...what goes through her baby's minds as they gather around the trash can mom placed in the middle of their living room, day after day watching television depicting the good lives Americans of all backgrounds are enjoying?

What really saddens me......is knowing, based on my experiences, that Boom-Box mom's "clueless" mindset is replicated by mom's and parents throughout this community. It saddens and angers me that little kids are in many cases, doomed from the start, or before they are conceived.

When I look back at the environment my parents created for me and how I responded to that environment, I realize my goals were to please my parents by respecting and appreciating what they were doing for me. And most importantly doing my best not to disappoint them because they loved me and made sure I knew it by actively being involved in my life, and aiding me in shaping my life as I developed into a peaceful person who felt loved and cared for.

Two immutable rules in our household were impressed upon me at a young age, "Always be truthful" and "Before judging, wear the other person's shoes." Thinking back mom and dad never used the word "empathy" when admonishing me for not thinking before I shot my mouth off, they always said "wear the other person's shoes."

I am thinking if my mom and dad placed a trash can in our living room, ignored feces smeared on our walls, got sis and I removed from their custody because they were not providing basic care for me and sis...I am thinking I'd be a pretty messed up kid incapable of embracing the concept of empathy, or purposefully not showing empathy for others because my life sucks and I don't care about others.

Or perhaps I'd use my intentional lack of empathy as a means to peeve or 'get-back' at my parents by engaging in anti-social behaviors that would eventually get me arrested, causing my parents to recognize that I exist, or depending on their views of the police, causing them to interact with authority people they may not necessarily like or trust, thus peeving them.

As I wrote, my experiences occurred years ago.

Recently I looked at current crime stats for this community and learned there has been a significant decrease in reported crimes, though there is still a good amount of violent crimes being committed.

If society continues failing to monitor caregivers who require public funds to raise, nurture and support their children, these kids will continue to be raised in environments like the one Boom-Box mom created for her kids.

I am hoping when camera technology proves its mettle in protecting police officers, as well as identifying officers who require further training or officers who have no business serving the public in a LE capacity, we will use that same technology to protect children by monitoring the common area of homes in which caregivers have established a track record for failing to properly raise, nurture and/or supervise their children. Especially in communities with higher crime rates where kids are more often exposed to some/many neighbors with a mindset for lawlessness.

Recently I watched a video that saddened me as well as enlightened me when I learned child welfare investigators test the hair of child abuse victims for "ambient" exposure to drugs. Holy smokes, the numbers were critical. At the least cameras would expose signs of intoxication in homes identified as requiring extra care to prevent children from being emotionally and or physically harmed.

Evince, kids are not stupid. As the mature many young teens realize their moms were irresponsible for introducing them to a life of hardship struggle and pain...and as I previously wrote, they need to vent these negative feelings, often doing so by harming their peaceful neighbors.

I have no doubts whatsoever this is the PRIMARY reason why many teens and young people in African-American communities characterize females as BITCHES and WHORES.

Lets be honest, if my mom raised me correctly, I would have little reason to demean females, equating them as bitches, or less than human creatures not deserving of respect.

I appreciate those in this thread arguing about music styles, however that is not the focus of this thread.

The focus of this thread is NOT about music.

The focus is why are females, the maternal half of our human population, being viewed by many of their children as bitches and whores?

Evince, using my average intelligence and common sense, coupled with countless experiences witnessing and interacting with teen and adult victims childhood abuse and neglect, I believe I have answered that question.

Peace...

 

[AveryJarhman]

What happened? Why have females fallen out of favor with many young people who write rap hip hop performances?

Presenting ignorance as a foundation for your thoughts is fun. See because there is plenty of hip hop out there about love, marriage etc but you seem to only gravitate toward the "trap music" and as a result of you only listening to one facet of Hip hop it makes you believe thats all their is out there.

Its like saying Rock is violent when all I listen to is Megadeath

Hello, ClosedCaption.

Do you have a theory for why many American rappers and hip hoppers characterize the maternal half of our population as bitches and whores?

 

[AveryJarhman]

I will not assume that I well versed in rap music.

That being said, I doubt that rap music is the cause of the problem here rather than reflecting an issue that exists independently.

Exactly!

 

[AveryJarhman]

Does anyone truly believe a Mom who listens to rap is less than human?

Hello, JS.

That is not the question posed in this discussion.

JS, do you have a theory for why many rappers characterize the maternal half of our population a bitches and whores?

 

[JakeStarkey]

hmmm . . . when-why-did-our-moms-become-less-than-human

Because of rap? No. That is a symptom of the larger problem.

 

[Correll]

You guys want to bad talk a race out of context, you will get outed.

Every time.

Does anyone truly believe a Mom who listens to rap is less than human? That's what I would expect from koshergril or someone of that perspective..

NO one was "bad talking a race".

You saw racism in the fact that a response to a question about blacks mentioned blacks.

The context was misogyny in "mo town" music.

No one said a "Mom who listens to rap is less than human". THe OP was about attitudes in the writers of "mo town" music.

YOu are being irrational.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You seem anxious and a bit rattled this morning, Correll.

Go do your stretching exercises and come back more on track.

Yeah, there was racism in the comments from known racists, as pointed out, so know you will always be called out when you do it.

The OP contains when-why-did-our-moms-become-less-than-human, and the talks was about rap music. So, yep, the two are related.