“When law and religion conflict, choices have to be made.”

[frigidweirdo]

Huh? What are you smoking? In 1978 under socialism, 63% of the entire population of China, was under their poverty level. Today it's under 2%. The average wage in China, in just the past 10 years, has increased 3 fold, from 20K yuan, to 60K yuan.

Under Capitalism, the average Chinese worker is enjoying an increasing standard of living, that has not been seen in China, for 100 years.

Moreover, yes every country in the world has poor. The only way you can avoid having poor people, is if you take away their ability to choose to work. You force people to work, then you can force them to stay out of poverty. As long as people have a choice, some will choose to remain poor.

I'm actually a good example of this. I have been offered several jobs where I could easily have earned double what I do now. Yes, I could have a bigger pay check, with a phat bonus, and so on. I didn't want it. I didn't care to earn more money. I never could figure out why I would work so hard, for more money that I can see any need of.

I had one guy tell me I was going to be store manager, and earn $80,000 a year, plus a profit sharing bonus. I hated that job. Last thing I wanted to do was earn a ton of money, while hoping my store would burn down to the ground. I'd much rather earn $20,000 and like what I do. Which is where I am now.

It's not societies fault, or some crap about the evil 1%, or democrats or republicans. I'm not willing to do what is required to earn that much.

China has levels of capitalism and levels of socialism.

The whole argument here is that welfare causes people to be poor, as if the lack of welfare in China has somehow made all these people come out of poverty. What is poverty anyway? The reality is that poverty is a benchmark set by someone to compare with other people. China still has 150 million people in poverty.

Yes, the ability to have capitalism in certain areas of society has helped massively to give many Chinese the level of life that people would want.

However the argument was that welfare caused poverty, but in China they have a population half the size of the US in poverty and no welfare. So, there's something amiss here.

The point I am making is that welfare can be good, it can be bad, not having welfare can be good and it can be bad. To simply make a blanket statement that welfare is bad and then "prove it" with something very whimsical, isn't going to be a good argument.

Republicans didn't mind welfare when they could deny it to black women and give it to white women. NPR did a piece on this issue. When civil rights said welfare couldn't be denied to poor blacks any longer, welfare quadrupled. All of the sudden Republicans started hating welfare.

And excuse me if those Republicans were actually southern Democrats pre southern strategy.

There are so many different levels of stupidity in this claim. Ultimately I'm not a Republican, but I can tell you that welfare is a stupid concept for any "race", and in the end, it's still the middle class paying for someone's laziness and failure.

Wow, the lack of understanding about why many people need welfare is astounding.

Many people on welfare work. You can earn up to $1000 a month and be on welfare.

Receivers of benefits include veterans, people with kids.

Welfare programs include Women, Infants and Children Program, Medicaid, food stamps, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families Program.

Welfare isn't just for people who can't be bothered to work.

Saying that I think the welfare system needs a massive overhaul.

If by overhaul, you mean completely terminated. People are on their own the moment they leave home, aside from the help of complete strangers, and that should never have changed. Besides, 'Federal Aid' is the reason people don't make 'enough' money in the first place. Businesses can pay people what they do because 'Federal Aid' allows people to pay for goods and services without having the actual money from actual work. It's a dumb concept, thought up by oxygen thieves.

No, I don't mean terminated.

I think unemployment benefits are essential.

I do think that food stamps are mostly not necessary. I think businesses should be paying a living wage in the first place.
I'm not so sure about money for kids. I think if people decide to have kids they have to take into consideration how much this will cost.
However I do think there are kids out there who need help because parents can be lousy, which is why I advocate better education for teaching kids how to act like adults, by teaching them what to expect in relationships, marriage, parenthood etc.

If you look at what happened in the past, you might realize why welfare exists now. You could simply lose your job, as no fault of your own but the fault of people who will never go hungry, and then that could lead to the break up of everything, whereas a few monthly payments from welfare while you're not working, which you've paid into anyway, will tide you over, keep your family together.

It's funny how the right say things like family is really important, and then devise many ways to destroy poor families.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

China has levels of capitalism and levels of socialism.

The whole argument here is that welfare causes people to be poor, as if the lack of welfare in China has somehow made all these people come out of poverty. What is poverty anyway? The reality is that poverty is a benchmark set by someone to compare with other people. China still has 150 million people in poverty.

Yes, the ability to have capitalism in certain areas of society has helped massively to give many Chinese the level of life that people would want.

However the argument was that welfare caused poverty, but in China they have a population half the size of the US in poverty and no welfare. So, there's something amiss here.

The point I am making is that welfare can be good, it can be bad, not having welfare can be good and it can be bad. To simply make a blanket statement that welfare is bad and then "prove it" with something very whimsical, isn't going to be a good argument.

Republicans didn't mind welfare when they could deny it to black women and give it to white women. NPR did a piece on this issue. When civil rights said welfare couldn't be denied to poor blacks any longer, welfare quadrupled. All of the sudden Republicans started hating welfare.

And excuse me if those Republicans were actually southern Democrats pre southern strategy.

There are so many different levels of stupidity in this claim. Ultimately I'm not a Republican, but I can tell you that welfare is a stupid concept for any "race", and in the end, it's still the middle class paying for someone's laziness and failure.

Wow, the lack of understanding about why many people need welfare is astounding.

Many people on welfare work. You can earn up to $1000 a month and be on welfare.

Receivers of benefits include veterans, people with kids.

Welfare programs include Women, Infants and Children Program, Medicaid, food stamps, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families Program.

Welfare isn't just for people who can't be bothered to work.

Saying that I think the welfare system needs a massive overhaul.

If by overhaul, you mean completely terminated. People are on their own the moment they leave home, aside from the help of complete strangers, and that should never have changed. Besides, 'Federal Aid' is the reason people don't make 'enough' money in the first place. Businesses can pay people what they do because 'Federal Aid' allows people to pay for goods and services without having the actual money from actual work. It's a dumb concept, thought up by oxygen thieves.

No, I don't mean terminated.

I think unemployment benefits are essential.

I do think that food stamps are mostly not necessary. I think businesses should be paying a living wage in the first place.
I'm not so sure about money for kids. I think if people decide to have kids they have to take into consideration how much this will cost.
However I do think there are kids out there who need help because parents can be lousy, which is why I advocate better education for teaching kids how to act like adults, by teaching them what to expect in relationships, marriage, parenthood etc.

If you look at what happened in the past, you might realize why welfare exists now. You could simply lose your job, as no fault of your own but the fault of people who will never go hungry, and then that could lead to the break up of everything, whereas a few monthly payments from welfare while you're not working, which you've paid into anyway, will tide you over, keep your family together.

It's funny how the right say things like family is really important, and then devise many ways to destroy poor families.

Of course you think unemployment benefits are essential, why should failures have to find another job?

Businesses automatically pay a living wage, they're leaning on Federal Aid because they know if they don't pay 'enough', that will cover what they're not paying. Certain businesses actually suggest getting Federal Aid, making it obvious they're leaning on it so they can pay lower wages. Federal Aid is a scam.

In a good economy, people don't simply lose their jobs, sales have to plummet first, which is brought on by a bad economy, which is brought on by government interference.

If they're poor, it's their own fault, and it isn't the responsibility of tax payers to take care of them.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Republicans didn't mind welfare when they could deny it to black women and give it to white women. NPR did a piece on this issue. When civil rights said welfare couldn't be denied to poor blacks any longer, welfare quadrupled. All of the sudden Republicans started hating welfare.

And excuse me if those Republicans were actually southern Democrats pre southern strategy.

There are so many different levels of stupidity in this claim. Ultimately I'm not a Republican, but I can tell you that welfare is a stupid concept for any "race", and in the end, it's still the middle class paying for someone's laziness and failure.

Wow, the lack of understanding about why many people need welfare is astounding.

Many people on welfare work. You can earn up to $1000 a month and be on welfare.

Receivers of benefits include veterans, people with kids.

Welfare programs include Women, Infants and Children Program, Medicaid, food stamps, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families Program.

Welfare isn't just for people who can't be bothered to work.

Saying that I think the welfare system needs a massive overhaul.

If by overhaul, you mean completely terminated. People are on their own the moment they leave home, aside from the help of complete strangers, and that should never have changed. Besides, 'Federal Aid' is the reason people don't make 'enough' money in the first place. Businesses can pay people what they do because 'Federal Aid' allows people to pay for goods and services without having the actual money from actual work. It's a dumb concept, thought up by oxygen thieves.

No, I don't mean terminated.

I think unemployment benefits are essential.

I do think that food stamps are mostly not necessary. I think businesses should be paying a living wage in the first place.
I'm not so sure about money for kids. I think if people decide to have kids they have to take into consideration how much this will cost.
However I do think there are kids out there who need help because parents can be lousy, which is why I advocate better education for teaching kids how to act like adults, by teaching them what to expect in relationships, marriage, parenthood etc.

If you look at what happened in the past, you might realize why welfare exists now. You could simply lose your job, as no fault of your own but the fault of people who will never go hungry, and then that could lead to the break up of everything, whereas a few monthly payments from welfare while you're not working, which you've paid into anyway, will tide you over, keep your family together.

It's funny how the right say things like family is really important, and then devise many ways to destroy poor families.

Of course you think unemployment benefits are essential, why should failures have to find another job?

Businesses automatically pay a living wage, they're leaning on Federal Aid because they know if they don't pay 'enough', that will cover what they're not paying. Certain businesses actually suggest getting Federal Aid, making it obvious they're leaning on it so they can pay lower wages. Federal Aid is a scam.

In a good economy, people don't simply lose their jobs, sales have to plummet first, which is brought on by a bad economy, which is brought on by government interference.

If they're poor, it's their own fault, and it isn't the responsibility of tax payers to take care of them.

Failures?

Have you even not been able to find a job?

In 2007 loads of people were working. Then as a result of policies of rich boy George W. Bush, and decisions made by people in companies like banks and investment firms, the economy went to hell.

So there were 7.4 million people unemployed in 2007, then a year later it was 11.1 million. Are you telling me that nearly 4 million people decided to be failures? Decided to just lose their jobs and be unable to find new ones? By the same time in 2009 the rate had doubled from two years previously. So about 7 million people who were working were no longer working and there weren't jobs for them.

Yeah, businesses are leaning on federal aid, and this shouldn't be happening.

No, a bad economy is not brought on by government interference. Government policies can, and did, have an impact, but there's a reason why we haven't had a recession like the one in the 1920s and 1930s since, because controls on the economy are better, not amazing, but better.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

There are so many different levels of stupidity in this claim. Ultimately I'm not a Republican, but I can tell you that welfare is a stupid concept for any "race", and in the end, it's still the middle class paying for someone's laziness and failure.

Wow, the lack of understanding about why many people need welfare is astounding.

Many people on welfare work. You can earn up to $1000 a month and be on welfare.

Receivers of benefits include veterans, people with kids.

Welfare programs include Women, Infants and Children Program, Medicaid, food stamps, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families Program.

Welfare isn't just for people who can't be bothered to work.

Saying that I think the welfare system needs a massive overhaul.

If by overhaul, you mean completely terminated. People are on their own the moment they leave home, aside from the help of complete strangers, and that should never have changed. Besides, 'Federal Aid' is the reason people don't make 'enough' money in the first place. Businesses can pay people what they do because 'Federal Aid' allows people to pay for goods and services without having the actual money from actual work. It's a dumb concept, thought up by oxygen thieves.

No, I don't mean terminated.

I think unemployment benefits are essential.

I do think that food stamps are mostly not necessary. I think businesses should be paying a living wage in the first place.
I'm not so sure about money for kids. I think if people decide to have kids they have to take into consideration how much this will cost.
However I do think there are kids out there who need help because parents can be lousy, which is why I advocate better education for teaching kids how to act like adults, by teaching them what to expect in relationships, marriage, parenthood etc.

If you look at what happened in the past, you might realize why welfare exists now. You could simply lose your job, as no fault of your own but the fault of people who will never go hungry, and then that could lead to the break up of everything, whereas a few monthly payments from welfare while you're not working, which you've paid into anyway, will tide you over, keep your family together.

It's funny how the right say things like family is really important, and then devise many ways to destroy poor families.

Of course you think unemployment benefits are essential, why should failures have to find another job?

Businesses automatically pay a living wage, they're leaning on Federal Aid because they know if they don't pay 'enough', that will cover what they're not paying. Certain businesses actually suggest getting Federal Aid, making it obvious they're leaning on it so they can pay lower wages. Federal Aid is a scam.

In a good economy, people don't simply lose their jobs, sales have to plummet first, which is brought on by a bad economy, which is brought on by government interference.

If they're poor, it's their own fault, and it isn't the responsibility of tax payers to take care of them.

Failures?

Have you even not been able to find a job?

In 2007 loads of people were working. Then as a result of policies of rich boy George W. Bush, and decisions made by people in companies like banks and investment firms, the economy went to hell.

So there were 7.4 million people unemployed in 2007, then a year later it was 11.1 million. Are you telling me that nearly 4 million people decided to be failures? Decided to just lose their jobs and be unable to find new ones? By the same time in 2009 the rate had doubled from two years previously. So about 7 million people who were working were no longer working and there weren't jobs for them.

Yeah, businesses are leaning on federal aid, and this shouldn't be happening.

No, a bad economy is not brought on by government interference. Government policies can, and did, have an impact, but there's a reason why we haven't had a recession like the one in the 1920s and 1930s since, because controls on the economy are better, not amazing, but better.

2007 was a result of the banks ignoring Bush's warnings, because they knew they'd be bailed out. Corporate Welfare has created corporations that know the government will bail them out when things 'look bad'. The government actually had a hand in the 2007 recession, too.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I choose basic human rights over religion any day of the week....Humans are more important then myth.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Wow, the lack of understanding about why many people need welfare is astounding.

Many people on welfare work. You can earn up to $1000 a month and be on welfare.

Receivers of benefits include veterans, people with kids.

Welfare programs include Women, Infants and Children Program, Medicaid, food stamps, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families Program.

Welfare isn't just for people who can't be bothered to work.

Saying that I think the welfare system needs a massive overhaul.

If by overhaul, you mean completely terminated. People are on their own the moment they leave home, aside from the help of complete strangers, and that should never have changed. Besides, 'Federal Aid' is the reason people don't make 'enough' money in the first place. Businesses can pay people what they do because 'Federal Aid' allows people to pay for goods and services without having the actual money from actual work. It's a dumb concept, thought up by oxygen thieves.

No, I don't mean terminated.

I think unemployment benefits are essential.

I do think that food stamps are mostly not necessary. I think businesses should be paying a living wage in the first place.
I'm not so sure about money for kids. I think if people decide to have kids they have to take into consideration how much this will cost.
However I do think there are kids out there who need help because parents can be lousy, which is why I advocate better education for teaching kids how to act like adults, by teaching them what to expect in relationships, marriage, parenthood etc.

If you look at what happened in the past, you might realize why welfare exists now. You could simply lose your job, as no fault of your own but the fault of people who will never go hungry, and then that could lead to the break up of everything, whereas a few monthly payments from welfare while you're not working, which you've paid into anyway, will tide you over, keep your family together.

It's funny how the right say things like family is really important, and then devise many ways to destroy poor families.

Of course you think unemployment benefits are essential, why should failures have to find another job?

Businesses automatically pay a living wage, they're leaning on Federal Aid because they know if they don't pay 'enough', that will cover what they're not paying. Certain businesses actually suggest getting Federal Aid, making it obvious they're leaning on it so they can pay lower wages. Federal Aid is a scam.

In a good economy, people don't simply lose their jobs, sales have to plummet first, which is brought on by a bad economy, which is brought on by government interference.

If they're poor, it's their own fault, and it isn't the responsibility of tax payers to take care of them.

Failures?

Have you even not been able to find a job?

In 2007 loads of people were working. Then as a result of policies of rich boy George W. Bush, and decisions made by people in companies like banks and investment firms, the economy went to hell.

So there were 7.4 million people unemployed in 2007, then a year later it was 11.1 million. Are you telling me that nearly 4 million people decided to be failures? Decided to just lose their jobs and be unable to find new ones? By the same time in 2009 the rate had doubled from two years previously. So about 7 million people who were working were no longer working and there weren't jobs for them.

Yeah, businesses are leaning on federal aid, and this shouldn't be happening.

No, a bad economy is not brought on by government interference. Government policies can, and did, have an impact, but there's a reason why we haven't had a recession like the one in the 1920s and 1930s since, because controls on the economy are better, not amazing, but better.

2007 was a result of the banks ignoring Bush's warnings, because they knew they'd be bailed out. Corporate Welfare has created corporations that know the government will bail them out when things 'look bad'. The government actually had a hand in the 2007 recession, too.

Right, so banks didn't give a damn because they knew which side of the fence the government was on.

However, you're trying to state something that is either all or nothing. It can actually be that government regulation has prevented a recession like that of the 1920s, and yet government policy ends up leading us towards recessions at the same time.

 

[StLucieBengal]

I choose basic human rights over religion any day of the week....Humans are more important then myth.

Tell that to all the Islamic apologists on this board then....

 

[frigidweirdo]

I choose basic human rights over religion any day of the week....Humans are more important then myth.

Tell that to all the Islamic apologists on this board then....

Are there any? Or just people you choose to insult with something that isn't even true?

 

[StLucieBengal]

I choose basic human rights over religion any day of the week....Humans are more important then myth.

Tell that to all the Islamic apologists on this board then....

Are there any? Or just people you choose to insult with something that isn't even true?

Yeah there absolutely no one on this board who always makes excuses for the Muslims.... No matter what horrendous violent crime against good and decent people that they commit.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I choose basic human rights over religion any day of the week....Humans are more important then myth.

Tell that to all the Islamic apologists on this board then....

Are there any? Or just people you choose to insult with something that isn't even true?

Yeah there absolutely no one on this board who always makes excuses for the Muslims.... No matter what horrendous violent crime against good and decent people that they commit.

Problem is you don't take the time to understand what people are saying, not only that you don't give a damn, you just want any old excuse to hurl insults and attacks at people.

 

[StLucieBengal]

I choose basic human rights over religion any day of the week....Humans are more important then myth.

Tell that to all the Islamic apologists on this board then....

Are there any? Or just people you choose to insult with something that isn't even true?

Yeah there absolutely no one on this board who always makes excuses for the Muslims.... No matter what horrendous violent crime against good and decent people that they commit.

Problem is you don't take the time to understand what people are saying, not only that you don't give a damn, you just want any old excuse to hurl insults and attacks at people.

What the old ... "It's not every Muslim" excuse? Yes it's not every Muslim.... But even if they don't believe it .... Just sitting there quietly as thy watch it happen is bad as well.

It's a violent and oppressive religion.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I choose basic human rights over religion any day of the week....Humans are more important then myth.

Tell that to all the Islamic apologists on this board then....

Are there any? Or just people you choose to insult with something that isn't even true?

Yeah there absolutely no one on this board who always makes excuses for the Muslims.... No matter what horrendous violent crime against good and decent people that they commit.

Problem is you don't take the time to understand what people are saying, not only that you don't give a damn, you just want any old excuse to hurl insults and attacks at people.

What the old ... "It's not every Muslim" excuse? Yes it's not every Muslim.... But even if they don't believe it .... Just sitting there quietly as thy watch it happen is bad as well.

It's a violent and oppressive religion.

What most people you choose to hurl insults are for being a "Muslim sympathizer" are doing is merely standing up for the freedom of religion.

I don't like Islam. I don't like Christianity. I don't like Judaism. I don't like religion at all.

However I'll stand up for people's rights to believe whatever crap they like. Even your right to go around shouting off that people are "Muslim sympathizers". No matter how wrong you are, as long as it doesn't harm or hurt people, then what's the problem?

If Muslims are doing things that are dangerous, then lock them up. If Christians are doing things that are dangerous, then lock them up. That's how the system works.

 

[NCC1701]

I choose basic human rights over religion any day of the week....Humans are more important then myth.

how about my basic right to not have the government shove minorities next me in the name of diversity?

 

[NCC1701]

However I'll stand up for people's rights to believe whatever crap they like. Even your right to go around shouting off that people are "Muslim sympathizers". No matter how wrong you are, as long as it doesn't harm or hurt people, then what's the problem?

then you certainly should not vote for democrats, they think offending people should be outlawed as we are seeing on university campuses. Liberals claim words hurt them.

 

[Unkotare]

I choose basic human rights over religion any day of the week....Humans are more important then myth.

how about my basic right to not have the government shove minorities next me in the name of diversity?

"Shove next to [you]" = allow people to live where they want despite your personal weakness and fear?

 

[NCC1701]

I choose basic human rights over religion any day of the week....Humans are more important then myth.

how about my basic right to not have the government shove minorities next me in the name of diversity?

"Shove next to [you]" = allow people to live where they want despite your personal weakness and fear?

then allow me to live where I want without diversity Nazis saying my choice of neighborhood is too white.

fuck off dripping poop

 

[Unkotare]

I choose basic human rights over religion any day of the week....Humans are more important then myth.

how about my basic right to not have the government shove minorities next me in the name of diversity?

"Shove next to [you]" = allow people to live where they want despite your personal weakness and fear?

then allow me to live where I want without diversity Nazis saying my choice of neighborhood is too white.
.....

No one is forcing people to live next to you, coward. That would be cruel and unusual. But YOU sure as hell aren't telling any American who can afford to where they can live just because you lack a sack.

 

[StLucieBengal]

Tell that to all the Islamic apologists on this board then....

Are there any? Or just people you choose to insult with something that isn't even true?

Yeah there absolutely no one on this board who always makes excuses for the Muslims.... No matter what horrendous violent crime against good and decent people that they commit.

Problem is you don't take the time to understand what people are saying, not only that you don't give a damn, you just want any old excuse to hurl insults and attacks at people.

What the old ... "It's not every Muslim" excuse? Yes it's not every Muslim.... But even if they don't believe it .... Just sitting there quietly as thy watch it happen is bad as well.

It's a violent and oppressive religion.

What most people you choose to hurl insults are for being a "Muslim sympathizer" are doing is merely standing up for the freedom of religion.

I don't like Islam. I don't like Christianity. I don't like Judaism. I don't like religion at all.

However I'll stand up for people's rights to believe whatever crap they like. Even your right to go around shouting off that people are "Muslim sympathizers". No matter how wrong you are, as long as it doesn't harm or hurt people, then what's the problem?

If Muslims are doing things that are dangerous, then lock them up. If Christians are doing things that are dangerous, then lock them up. That's how the system works.

Yeah I bet the same "freedom of religion" people were blasting that Oregon baker and Indiana pizza parlor for their choices to exercise their freedom of religion.

Please post any post showing you or anyone one of these Muslim lovers supporting the Oregon baker. Since you know..... They only care about freedom of religion.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Are there any? Or just people you choose to insult with something that isn't even true?

Yeah there absolutely no one on this board who always makes excuses for the Muslims.... No matter what horrendous violent crime against good and decent people that they commit.

Problem is you don't take the time to understand what people are saying, not only that you don't give a damn, you just want any old excuse to hurl insults and attacks at people.

What the old ... "It's not every Muslim" excuse? Yes it's not every Muslim.... But even if they don't believe it .... Just sitting there quietly as thy watch it happen is bad as well.

It's a violent and oppressive religion.

What most people you choose to hurl insults are for being a "Muslim sympathizer" are doing is merely standing up for the freedom of religion.

I don't like Islam. I don't like Christianity. I don't like Judaism. I don't like religion at all.

However I'll stand up for people's rights to believe whatever crap they like. Even your right to go around shouting off that people are "Muslim sympathizers". No matter how wrong you are, as long as it doesn't harm or hurt people, then what's the problem?

If Muslims are doing things that are dangerous, then lock them up. If Christians are doing things that are dangerous, then lock them up. That's how the system works.

Yeah I bet the same "freedom of religion" people were blasting that Oregon baker and Indiana pizza parlor for their choices to exercise their freedom of religion.

Please post any post showing you or anyone one of these Muslim lovers supporting the Oregon baker. Since you know..... They only care about freedom of religion.

Not at all.

ALL rights have limits on them. The principle of the theory of rights is that you can do whatever you like as long as you don't harm or hurt anyone. What that means is a debatable, however people see that harm can be done in many ways, and harm can be done to society at the same time.

However we're not really talking religious rights here at all. The bakers have their religious rights, and if their job isn't able to be compatible with their religious rights then they have the choice to leave their job. The company doesn't have any religious rights at all, and the company has agreed to obey the rules set out for the company.

If one person's rights were to trump another person's rights, just because, then these aren't rights. There has to be a reason why one right is above another in a specific situation.

 

[Andylusion]

Yeah there absolutely no one on this board who always makes excuses for the Muslims.... No matter what horrendous violent crime against good and decent people that they commit.

Problem is you don't take the time to understand what people are saying, not only that you don't give a damn, you just want any old excuse to hurl insults and attacks at people.

What the old ... "It's not every Muslim" excuse? Yes it's not every Muslim.... But even if they don't believe it .... Just sitting there quietly as thy watch it happen is bad as well.

It's a violent and oppressive religion.

What most people you choose to hurl insults are for being a "Muslim sympathizer" are doing is merely standing up for the freedom of religion.

I don't like Islam. I don't like Christianity. I don't like Judaism. I don't like religion at all.

However I'll stand up for people's rights to believe whatever crap they like. Even your right to go around shouting off that people are "Muslim sympathizers". No matter how wrong you are, as long as it doesn't harm or hurt people, then what's the problem?

If Muslims are doing things that are dangerous, then lock them up. If Christians are doing things that are dangerous, then lock them up. That's how the system works.

Yeah I bet the same "freedom of religion" people were blasting that Oregon baker and Indiana pizza parlor for their choices to exercise their freedom of religion.

Please post any post showing you or anyone one of these Muslim lovers supporting the Oregon baker. Since you know..... They only care about freedom of religion.

Not at all.

ALL rights have limits on them. The principle of the theory of rights is that you can do whatever you like as long as you don't harm or hurt anyone. What that means is a debatable, however people see that harm can be done in many ways, and harm can be done to society at the same time.

However we're not really talking religious rights here at all. The bakers have their religious rights, and if their job isn't able to be compatible with their religious rights then they have the choice to leave their job. The company doesn't have any religious rights at all, and the company has agreed to obey the rules set out for the company.

If one person's rights were to trump another person's rights, just because, then these aren't rights. There has to be a reason why one right is above another in a specific situation.

Are you suggesting that a person is physically harmed by you not making a pizza, or a cake for them?

It is a religious right. My religion requires that I not be party to evil. Homosexuality is evil. You deny that, fine, but it doesn't matter. It's my religious scriptures. Whether you like it or not, that is a religious view.

Do I have the right to follow my religious views, or not? Yes or no. You can't, with any amount of credibility, claim that somehow some homos are in some way 'harmed' by failing to get a pizza, or a cake. If anything, they might be more healthy.