When Is A Religion Not a 'Religion'?

[PoliticalChic]

I would think it is obvious. First, your source was completely wrong since the West was beheading well before 1880. Secondly the anecdote is being used to illustrate the cruelty of beheading when in fact, France introduced the guillotine as a more civilized form of execution.

What a fabrication.....not a part of Judaism nor Christianity.
A note for you:
Ephesians 4:25 So stop telling lies. Let us tell our neighbors the truth

You should heed your own note!!!
But you couldn't be a CON$ervoFascist if you weren't a hypocrite!

Nu 25:4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.

Do you own a calendar?

There is only only one (alleged) religion, called Islam, that has carried 7th century barbarism into the modern world.


Wise up, you dope.

 

[edthecynic]

The Islamic practice of beheading enemies and sinners dates back to the Prophet Muhammad himself.

Beheading also finds support in the Koran.

Actually, as you well know, beheadings originated with Moses as written in YOUR bible well BEFORE Islam!!!!!

Nu 25:4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.

Do you own a calendar?

There is only only one (alleged) religion, called Islam, that has carried 7th century barbarism into the modern world.

Wise up, you dope.

Notice how the right always moves the goalposts when they are caught lying their Christian asses off!!
Your lying OP said nothing about the modern world, only that the Mosaic practice of beheading dates back to Muhammad.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Islamic practice of beheading enemies and sinners dates back to the Prophet Muhammad himself.

Beheading also finds support in the Koran.

Actually, as you well know, beheadings originated with Moses as written in YOUR bible well BEFORE Islam!!!!!

Nu 25:4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.

Do you own a calendar?

There is only only one (alleged) religion, called Islam, that has carried 7th century barbarism into the modern world.

Wise up, you dope.

Notice how the right always moves the goalposts when they are caught lying their Christian asses off!!
Your lying OP said nothing about the modern world, only that the Mosaic practice of beheading dates back to Muhammad.

I said it three times.

And....I reminded you that you are a dope at lest twice.

Once more?
There is only only one (alleged) religion, called Islam, that has carried 7th century barbarism into the modern world.
Exactly the premise of this thread.
QED.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's review....
1. How can a worldview be called a religion if it requires barbarism, slaughter, and savagery?

a. "We believe in freedom of religion insofar as a religion teaches peace and love and the brotherhood of man. When someone uses the concept of religion to dominate other religions through force and coercion or to take over a nation, they you have to say, "My friend, that's not a religion." Michael Savage

b. Admiral James “Ace” Lyons, Jr. (Ret.), the former commander in chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet,".... until you recognize that Islam is a political movement masquerading as a religion, you’re never going to come to grips with it. And as far as a strategy – let me just conclude one thing, as I just had in my latest op-ed -- the Obama Administration has a strategy.”

“It’s very simple, any thinking American should be able to grasp,” said the admiral. “It’s anti-American, anti-Western, it’s pro-Islamic, it’s pro-Iranian, and pro-Muslim Brotherhood!” Admiral Lyons on Obama’s Strategy: ‘It’s Anti-American ... Pro-Islamic, It’s Pro-Iranian, and Pro-Muslim Brotherhood!’



2. Leftism, communism, Liberalism, whatever....along with the 7th century blood cult, all subscribe to this:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."
Leon Trotsky
Hence.....the love for abortion.



3. ...the only 'religion' that Barack Hussein Obama has stood up for, shielded from criticism, defended and advanced?

.... this is associated more with Islam and not with any other 'religion:'Pederasty, child brides, honor killings, clitorectomies, stonings, wife beatings and blowing up every innocent they can find.


4. "....consider this statement from an Iranian 11th-grade schoolbook, quoting the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini: “I am decisively announcing to the whole world that if the world devourers wish to stand against our religion, we will stand against their whole world and will not cease until the annihilation of all of them! Either we all become free or we will go to the greater freedom, which is martyrdom.
Either we shake one another’s hands in joy at the victory of Islam in the world, or all of us will turn to eternal life and martyrdom. In both cases, victory and success are ours." The Worst Foreign-Policy Blunder in American History


5. Let's compare the above with Western tradition....the Judeo-Christian faith:
The Bible....no other book said 'love the stranger.'

It is the cause for western civilization

No other civilization ended slavery and produced democracy

 

[alang1216]

The Islamic practice of beheading enemies and sinners dates back to the Prophet Muhammad himself.

Beheading also finds support in the Koran.

Actually, as you well know, beheadings originated with Moses as written in YOUR bible well BEFORE Islam!!!!!

Nu 25:4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.

Do you own a calendar?

There is only only one (alleged) religion, called Islam, that has carried 7th century barbarism into the modern world.

Wise up, you dope.

Notice how the right always moves the goalposts when they are caught lying their Christian asses off!!
Your lying OP said nothing about the modern world, only that the Mosaic practice of beheading dates back to Muhammad.

I said it three times.

And....I reminded you that you are a dope at lest twice.

Once more?
There is only only one (alleged) religion, called Islam, that has carried 7th century barbarism into the modern world.
Exactly the premise of this thread.
QED.

If this barbarism is a result of being a Muslim then every Muslim everywhere throughout time should display the same barbarism. This is certainly not the case now or in the past when Muslim countries were far more "civilized" than Western countries.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Islamic practice of beheading enemies and sinners dates back to the Prophet Muhammad himself.

Beheading also finds support in the Koran.

Actually, as you well know, beheadings originated with Moses as written in YOUR bible well BEFORE Islam!!!!!

Nu 25:4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.

Do you own a calendar?

There is only only one (alleged) religion, called Islam, that has carried 7th century barbarism into the modern world.

Wise up, you dope.

Notice how the right always moves the goalposts when they are caught lying their Christian asses off!!
Your lying OP said nothing about the modern world, only that the Mosaic practice of beheading dates back to Muhammad.

I said it three times.

And....I reminded you that you are a dope at lest twice.

Once more?
There is only only one (alleged) religion, called Islam, that has carried 7th century barbarism into the modern world.
Exactly the premise of this thread.
QED.

If this barbarism is a result of being a Muslim then every Muslim everywhere throughout time should display the same barbarism. This is certainly not the case now or in the past when Muslim countries were far more "civilized" than Western countries.

"If this barbarism is a result of being a Muslim then every Muslim everywhere throughout time should display the same barbarism."

Because you say so?

But...you are a noted liar.

The Q'ran says it is required...and the Q'ran is the motor of Islam.

The following are direct quotes from the Quran and the Hadith:

Quran 4:89: "They (infidels) desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper."

Quran 8:12: "Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers;"

Quran 2:191: "... kill the disbelievers wherever we find them

Quran 22:19-22: "… for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods."

Quran 8:12: "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: 'I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.'"

Qur'an:8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."

Quran 8:7: "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"

Quran 8:59: "The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah's enemy."

Quran 8:60: "Prepare against them whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah, and others besides them not known to you."

Quran 9.29" "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."

Quran 47:4: "Strike off the heads of the disbelievers" and, after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives."

Hadith Sahih Muslim (41:6985): "Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: 'The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.'"

Quran 9:5: "When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Sura 3:151: "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers for that they joined companions with Allah for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the fire; and evil is the home of the wrong-doers!"

Sura 8:60: "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power including steeds of war to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides whom ye may not know but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you and ye shall not be treated unjustly."

Tabari IX "Allah permits you to shut them (women) in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Quran."

Tabari I:280: "Allah said, 'It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."

Ishaq:327: "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'"

These quotations are not out of context. They are representative of dozens and dozens of other messages in the Islamic "holy" texts. Clearly, they have inspired the violent and hateful behavior of followers.

I know there are many peaceful Muslims who view them allegorically rather than literally. Yet, is it outside the bounds of civil public discourse to challenge such statements?

I think it would be irresponsible to ignore how the Quran instructs its followers.



Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror.'"

 

[bodecea]

I would think it is obvious. First, your source was completely wrong since the West was beheading well before 1880. Secondly the anecdote is being used to illustrate the cruelty of beheading when in fact, France introduced the guillotine as a more civilized form of execution.

What a fabrication.....not a part of Judaism nor Christianity.
A note for you:
Ephesians 4:25 So stop telling lies. Let us tell our neighbors the truth

You should heed your own note!!!
But you couldn't be a CON$ervoFascist if you weren't a hypocrite!

Nu 25:4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.

Do you own a calendar?

There is only only one (alleged) religion, called Islam, that has carried 7th century barbarism into the modern world.


Wise up, you dope.

And Judeo-Christianity brought BCE barbarism into the modern world until counter-acted by Enlightenism.

 

[alang1216]

Let's review....
1. How can a worldview be called a religion if it requires barbarism, slaughter, and savagery?

a. "We believe in freedom of religion insofar as a religion teaches peace and love and the brotherhood of man. When someone uses the concept of religion to dominate other religions through force and coercion or to take over a nation, they you have to say, "My friend, that's not a religion." Michael Savage

Here is an example of some barbarism done in the name of converting American Indians to Christianity:

Mission schools
There is a final, far more tragic means to convert the people. Kidnap the children.

1. Rechristen them with English Christian names, forbid the use of their own names.
2. Punish them for speaking their own language, or grab them when they are young enough not to have learned it very well.
3. Force them to live at the Mission School and only visit home 1 or 2 days for the Christian Christmas.
4. Cut their hair, strip them of their clothing and religious artifacts, and denigrate the artifacts as uncivilized, backwards, or "primitive".
5. Do this all when they are young enough to not fight back.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I would think it is obvious. First, your source was completely wrong since the West was beheading well before 1880. Secondly the anecdote is being used to illustrate the cruelty of beheading when in fact, France introduced the guillotine as a more civilized form of execution.

What a fabrication.....not a part of Judaism nor Christianity.
A note for you:
Ephesians 4:25 So stop telling lies. Let us tell our neighbors the truth

You should heed your own note!!!
But you couldn't be a CON$ervoFascist if you weren't a hypocrite!

Nu 25:4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.

Do you own a calendar?

There is only only one (alleged) religion, called Islam, that has carried 7th century barbarism into the modern world.


Wise up, you dope.

And Judeo-Christianity brought BCE barbarism into the modern world until counter-acted by Enlightenism.

Egads! You're a dunce!!!

Write about something you understand!!!!


I don't have the time nor the interest to teach you everything you never learned....but here's the central nugget:

"If the French revolution was the end of monarchy and aristocratic privilege and the emergence of the common man and democratic rights, it was also the beginnings of modern totalitarian government and large-scale executions of "enemies of the People" by impersonal government entities (Robespierre's "Committee of Public Safety"). This legacy would not reach its fullest bloom until the tragic arrival of the German Nazis and Soviet and Chinese communists of the 20th century."
French Revolution - Robespierre, and the Legacy of the Reign of Terror


Communism, National Socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism.....all have a the central doctrine:
"....an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature...." Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"


There is no morality. No care or concern for other, or for life. Nor is any required. This is the gift of the Enlightenment, with its view to replacing religion with science, with reason.


I'd be more than happy to provide a short list of books you should....should....read.

 

[GreenBean]

There are certain characteristics that we have come to find in religion....and some that immediately exclude a worldview from that category......


1. “We should by now have become used to the death cult that is thriving at the fringes of the Muslim world. This is the cult of people who are proud to declare, "You love life, but we love death." This is the cult that sent waves of defenseless children to be mowed down on the battlefields of the Iran-Iraq war, that trains kindergartners to become bombs, that fetishizes death, that sends people off joyfully to commit mass murder. Because the death cult is not really about the cause it purports to serve. It's about the sheer pleasure of killing and dying.” Cult of Death

a. It is the blood that informs the act. In the 1971 assassination of Jordan’s prime minister, Wasfi l-Tell, by PLO terrorists. “As he lay there, one of his killers bent over and lapped the blood that poured from his wounds.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226317/know-thy-enemy/michael-ledeen

b. Leading Muslim clerics often refer to the love of death. Chief Palestinian Authority cleric Mufti Sheikh Ikrimeh Sabri stated, "We tell them, in as much as you love life, the Muslim loves death and martyrdom.”
http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/stalinsky200405240846.asp





2. "The Islamic practice of beheading enemies and sinners dates back to the Prophet Muhammad himself. According to Arab historian Ibn Ishaq (d. 768 C.E.), Muhammad ordered the beheadings of at least 600 Jewish Banu Qurayza tribesmen in Medina on suspicion of plotting against him.

Beheading also finds support in the Koran. In one passage, Allah says "I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off" (8:12). In another, Muslims are exhorted to "confront the disbelievers, strike at their necks" (47:4).

In the modern era, the practice of beheading first came to Western attention when Muhammad Ahmad of the Sudan declared himself Mahdi in 1880 and waged a jihad against Ottoman Egyptian and British forces. Ahmad's followers routinely beheaded their opponents, most famously British Gen. Charles Gordon.

The modern video beheading phenomenon began in 2002 when 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) decapitated Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. KSM was captured shortly afterwards, but al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi took the idea and ran with it in a series of grisly videos showing the beheading of Western civilian contractors and others in Iraq. Zarqawi followed the parameters of the genre established by KSM: prayers, insults, recitation from the Koran, beheading, posing with the head. As a final insult, the ceremony ends when the severed head is set upon the back of the dismembered corpse.

Beheading videos disappeared for a while but resumed in 2014 with the rise of ISIS. The prime actor in this third wave of video terrorism was English-speaking ISIS operative Mohammed Emwazi, dubbed "Jihadi John" by the British press....
Kathy Griffin Needs to Check Her Infidel Privilege [Satire]




...certain characteristics that immediately exclude a worldview from the category of 'religion'......

when it is Global Warming? Damn I thought this was a trick question.

MIT professor: global warming is a ‘religion’. Throughout history, governments have twisted science to suit a political agenda. Global warming is no different, according to Dr. Richard Lindzen of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Reference: dailycaller.com/2013/08/29/mit-professor-global-warming-is-a-religion

Better not bash those who believe in Global Warming or else they will burn the inner cities, causing great amounts of CO2, that will.....

When one does not believe in global warming, they are merely brainwashed by the RWNJ's.

Dude - It's now "Politically Incorrect" to use the term GLOBAL WARMING the correct newspeak is climate change

One , I'm a female not a dude, and I'll call it what it is.

Okay you're a female so let me rephrase that

Bitch - It's now "Politically Incorrect" to use the term GLOBAL WARMING the correct newspeak is climate change ... hows that ... better ?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's review....
1. How can a worldview be called a religion if it requires barbarism, slaughter, and savagery?

a. "We believe in freedom of religion insofar as a religion teaches peace and love and the brotherhood of man. When someone uses the concept of religion to dominate other religions through force and coercion or to take over a nation, they you have to say, "My friend, that's not a religion." Michael Savage

Here is an example of some barbarism done in the name of converting American Indians to Christianity:

Mission schools
There is a final, far more tragic means to convert the people. Kidnap the children.

1. Rechristen them with English Christian names, forbid the use of their own names.
2. Punish them for speaking their own language, or grab them when they are young enough not to have learned it very well.
3. Force them to live at the Mission School and only visit home 1 or 2 days for the Christian Christmas.
4. Cut their hair, strip them of their clothing and religious artifacts, and denigrate the artifacts as uncivilized, backwards, or "primitive".
5. Do this all when they are young enough to not fight back.

And you found that, where in the Bible?

Gads, you're a fool.

 

[GreenBean]

In the modern era, the practice of beheading first came to Western attention when Muhammad Ahmad of the Sudan declared himself Mahdi in 1880 and waged a jihad against Ottoman Egyptian and British forces. Ahmad's followers routinely beheaded their opponents, most famously British Gen. Charles Gordon.

The first execution by guillotine was performed on 25 April 1792 in France. What it replaced was truly horrendous.

There is a difference between religion and culture. Most Muslims are not Arabs and don't share their culture. Plenty of what we view today as barbaric was done by Muslims in the name of Allah but I'd guess that every religion has its share of barbarism.

Re: "every religion has its share of barbarism."

You did mean to use the past tense "HAD" did you not ?

I honestly didn't think much about it when I wrote it. Thinking a bit more I'd have to say no, there is still barbarism being done in the name of every religion. The KKK burns crosses, Israelis practice collective punishment, and ISIS needs no examples.

The KKK is not a religion ... it was a militant branch of the Democratic Party

 

[deanrd]

There are certain characteristics that we have come to find in religion....and some that immediately exclude a worldview from that category......


1. “We should by now have become used to the death cult that is thriving at the fringes of the Muslim world. This is the cult of people who are proud to declare, "You love life, but we love death." This is the cult that sent waves of defenseless children to be mowed down on the battlefields of the Iran-Iraq war, that trains kindergartners to become bombs, that fetishizes death, that sends people off joyfully to commit mass murder. Because the death cult is not really about the cause it purports to serve. It's about the sheer pleasure of killing and dying.” Cult of Death

a. It is the blood that informs the act. In the 1971 assassination of Jordan’s prime minister, Wasfi l-Tell, by PLO terrorists. “As he lay there, one of his killers bent over and lapped the blood that poured from his wounds.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226317/know-thy-enemy/michael-ledeen

b. Leading Muslim clerics often refer to the love of death. Chief Palestinian Authority cleric Mufti Sheikh Ikrimeh Sabri stated, "We tell them, in as much as you love life, the Muslim loves death and martyrdom.”
http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/stalinsky200405240846.asp





2. "The Islamic practice of beheading enemies and sinners dates back to the Prophet Muhammad himself. According to Arab historian Ibn Ishaq (d. 768 C.E.), Muhammad ordered the beheadings of at least 600 Jewish Banu Qurayza tribesmen in Medina on suspicion of plotting against him.

Beheading also finds support in the Koran. In one passage, Allah says "I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off" (8:12). In another, Muslims are exhorted to "confront the disbelievers, strike at their necks" (47:4).

In the modern era, the practice of beheading first came to Western attention when Muhammad Ahmad of the Sudan declared himself Mahdi in 1880 and waged a jihad against Ottoman Egyptian and British forces. Ahmad's followers routinely beheaded their opponents, most famously British Gen. Charles Gordon.

The modern video beheading phenomenon began in 2002 when 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) decapitated Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. KSM was captured shortly afterwards, but al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi took the idea and ran with it in a series of grisly videos showing the beheading of Western civilian contractors and others in Iraq. Zarqawi followed the parameters of the genre established by KSM: prayers, insults, recitation from the Koran, beheading, posing with the head. As a final insult, the ceremony ends when the severed head is set upon the back of the dismembered corpse.

Beheading videos disappeared for a while but resumed in 2014 with the rise of ISIS. The prime actor in this third wave of video terrorism was English-speaking ISIS operative Mohammed Emwazi, dubbed "Jihadi John" by the British press....
Kathy Griffin Needs to Check Her Infidel Privilege [Satire]




...certain characteristics that immediately exclude a worldview from the category of 'religion'......

Hmmm, the love of death:

American pastors calling for the murder of millions of Americans:

Pastor Roger Jimenez
Pastor Steven Anderson
Pastor Kevin Swanson
Pastor Jesse Price
Pastor Charles L. Worley
Pastor Bert Farias
Pastor Jeffrey S. Smith
Pastor Curtis Napp
Pastor James David Manning

We can watch their sermons on Youtube. They preach murder to their "flocks" every Sunday.



I'm against violence, but I believe they should be executed by the government.



Putting them to death limits conversions. The government should kill them.

Do the majority of Republicans believe in mass murder? Probably. As far as I know, there aren't any statistics saying they don't.

 

[alang1216]

"If this barbarism is a result of being a Muslim then every Muslim everywhere throughout time should display the same barbarism."

Because you say so?

Asking a question does not refute my logic.

Since you like Koranic quotes:

“There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256)

“You cannot guide those you would like to but God guides those He wills. He has best knowledge of the guided.” (Holy Quran/28: 56)

“God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just.” (Surat al-Mumtahana, 8)

“We have appointed a law and a practice for every one of you. Had God willed, He would have made you a single community, but He wanted to test you regarding what has come to you. So compete with each other in doing good. Every one of you will return to God and He will inform you regarding the things about which you differed.” (Surat al-Ma’ida, 48)

[2:190] “You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.”

[2:193] “You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.”

 

[deanrd]

In the modern era, the practice of beheading first came to Western attention when Muhammad Ahmad of the Sudan declared himself Mahdi in 1880 and waged a jihad against Ottoman Egyptian and British forces. Ahmad's followers routinely beheaded their opponents, most famously British Gen. Charles Gordon.

The first execution by guillotine was performed on 25 April 1792 in France. What it replaced was truly horrendous.

There is a difference between religion and culture. Most Muslims are not Arabs and don't share their culture. Plenty of what we view today as barbaric was done by Muslims in the name of Allah but I'd guess that every religion has its share of barbarism.

Re: "every religion has its share of barbarism."

You did mean to use the past tense "HAD" did you not ?

I honestly didn't think much about it when I wrote it. Thinking a bit more I'd have to say no, there is still barbarism being done in the name of every religion. The KKK burns crosses, Israelis practice collective punishment, and ISIS needs no examples.

The KKK is not a religion ... it was a militant branch of the Democratic Party

When the Democratic party was the southern majority and the party of slavery. Now, the GOP is the majority party in the south. The current home of the confederate conservatives.

It can't be denied.

 

[deanrd]

"If this barbarism is a result of being a Muslim then every Muslim everywhere throughout time should display the same barbarism."

Because you say so?

Asking a question does not refute my logic.

Since you like Koranic quotes:

“There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256)

“You cannot guide those you would like to but God guides those He wills. He has best knowledge of the guided.” (Holy Quran/28: 56)

“God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just.” (Surat al-Mumtahana, 8)

“We have appointed a law and a practice for every one of you. Had God willed, He would have made you a single community, but He wanted to test you regarding what has come to you. So compete with each other in doing good. Every one of you will return to God and He will inform you regarding the things about which you differed.” (Surat al-Ma’ida, 48)

[2:190] “You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.”

[2:193] “You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.”

They hate gays as much as Republicans do.

 

[alang1216]

There are certain characteristics that we have come to find in religion....and some that immediately exclude a worldview from that category......


1. “We should by now have become used to the death cult that is thriving at the fringes of the Muslim world. This is the cult of people who are proud to declare, "You love life, but we love death." This is the cult that sent waves of defenseless children to be mowed down on the battlefields of the Iran-Iraq war, that trains kindergartners to become bombs, that fetishizes death, that sends people off joyfully to commit mass murder. Because the death cult is not really about the cause it purports to serve. It's about the sheer pleasure of killing and dying.” Cult of Death

a. It is the blood that informs the act. In the 1971 assassination of Jordan’s prime minister, Wasfi l-Tell, by PLO terrorists. “As he lay there, one of his killers bent over and lapped the blood that poured from his wounds.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226317/know-thy-enemy/michael-ledeen

b. Leading Muslim clerics often refer to the love of death. Chief Palestinian Authority cleric Mufti Sheikh Ikrimeh Sabri stated, "We tell them, in as much as you love life, the Muslim loves death and martyrdom.”
http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/stalinsky200405240846.asp





2. "The Islamic practice of beheading enemies and sinners dates back to the Prophet Muhammad himself. According to Arab historian Ibn Ishaq (d. 768 C.E.), Muhammad ordered the beheadings of at least 600 Jewish Banu Qurayza tribesmen in Medina on suspicion of plotting against him.

Beheading also finds support in the Koran. In one passage, Allah says "I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off" (8:12). In another, Muslims are exhorted to "confront the disbelievers, strike at their necks" (47:4).

In the modern era, the practice of beheading first came to Western attention when Muhammad Ahmad of the Sudan declared himself Mahdi in 1880 and waged a jihad against Ottoman Egyptian and British forces. Ahmad's followers routinely beheaded their opponents, most famously British Gen. Charles Gordon.

The modern video beheading phenomenon began in 2002 when 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) decapitated Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. KSM was captured shortly afterwards, but al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi took the idea and ran with it in a series of grisly videos showing the beheading of Western civilian contractors and others in Iraq. Zarqawi followed the parameters of the genre established by KSM: prayers, insults, recitation from the Koran, beheading, posing with the head. As a final insult, the ceremony ends when the severed head is set upon the back of the dismembered corpse.

Beheading videos disappeared for a while but resumed in 2014 with the rise of ISIS. The prime actor in this third wave of video terrorism was English-speaking ISIS operative Mohammed Emwazi, dubbed "Jihadi John" by the British press....
Kathy Griffin Needs to Check Her Infidel Privilege [Satire]




...certain characteristics that immediately exclude a worldview from the category of 'religion'......

Hmmm, the love of death:

American pastors calling for the murder of millions of Americans:

Pastor Roger Jimenez
Pastor Steven Anderson
Pastor Kevin Swanson
Pastor Jesse Price
Pastor Charles L. Worley
Pastor Bert Farias
Pastor Jeffrey S. Smith
Pastor Curtis Napp
Pastor James David Manning

We can watch their sermons on Youtube. They preach murder to their "flocks" every Sunday.



I'm against violence, but I believe they should be executed by the government.



Putting them to death limits conversions. The government should kill them.

Do the majority of Republicans believe in mass murder? Probably. As far as I know, there aren't any statistics saying they don't.

I guess locking someone up for life for being gay is more humane than killing them. At least a little bit more humane.
Meet the American Pastor Behind Uganda’s Anti-Gay Crackdown

 

[PoliticalChic]

"If this barbarism is a result of being a Muslim then every Muslim everywhere throughout time should display the same barbarism."

Because you say so?

Asking a question does not refute my logic.

Since you like Koranic quotes:

“There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256)

“You cannot guide those you would like to but God guides those He wills. He has best knowledge of the guided.” (Holy Quran/28: 56)

“God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just.” (Surat al-Mumtahana, 8)

“We have appointed a law and a practice for every one of you. Had God willed, He would have made you a single community, but He wanted to test you regarding what has come to you. So compete with each other in doing good. Every one of you will return to God and He will inform you regarding the things about which you differed.” (Surat al-Ma’ida, 48)

[2:190] “You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.”

[2:193] “You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.”

Seems I'm forced to constantly educate and refute fools and liars.....you, of course, are in both categories.


Take notes:

1. The Koran’s core theme is about the duty of all Muslims to fight non-Muslims; an Islamic Mein Kampf, in which fight means war, jihad. The Koran is above all a book of war – a call to butcher non-Muslims (2:191, 3:141, 4:91, 5:3), to roast them (4:56, 69:30-69:32), and to cause bloodbaths amongst them (47:4). Jews are compared to monkeys and pigs (2:65, 5:60, 7:166), while people who believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God must according to the Koran be fought (9:30 [9:29]).
http://patdollard.com/2008/03/geert-wilders-parliamentary-speech-on-the-koran/

2. There are 124 verses of tolerance. But those are rendered meaningless by the rule of "abrogation. This rule is the hermeneutic key that Islamic scholars use to resolve contradictions found in the Koran. Koranic passages are abrogated, cancelled, by any subsequently revealed passages that convey a different meaning. In other words, when their is a contradiction, e.g., 'don't kill infidels', vs. 'kill infidels,' whichever was 'revealed' to the prophet Mohammed more recently is the one that takes priority.
West, "American Betrayal," p.12


a. This comes directly from Mohammad himself, in sura 2:106 " Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allâh is able to do all things?" http://www.qurantoday.com/BaqSec13.htm


b. In "What the Koran Really Says," Ibn Warraq explains concisely that the passages preaching tolerance are found in Meccan (early) suras, and the passages recommending killing, maiming, decapitating, the so-called Sword Verses, are Medinan (later). Thus, 'Tolerance' has been abrogated by intolerance.


sura 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.



3. ijtihadi (methodology of interpretation) movement, which is based on fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence)




Now...how to address you in the future...as a lying fool, or a foolish liar?

 

[bodecea]

I would think it is obvious. First, your source was completely wrong since the West was beheading well before 1880. Secondly the anecdote is being used to illustrate the cruelty of beheading when in fact, France introduced the guillotine as a more civilized form of execution.

What a fabrication.....not a part of Judaism nor Christianity.
A note for you:
Ephesians 4:25 So stop telling lies. Let us tell our neighbors the truth

You should heed your own note!!!
But you couldn't be a CON$ervoFascist if you weren't a hypocrite!

Nu 25:4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.

Do you own a calendar?

There is only only one (alleged) religion, called Islam, that has carried 7th century barbarism into the modern world.


Wise up, you dope.

And Judeo-Christianity brought BCE barbarism into the modern world until counter-acted by Enlightenism.

Egads! You're a dunce!!!

Write about something you understand!!!!


I don't have the time nor the interest to teach you everything you never learned....but here's the central nugget:

"If the French revolution was the end of monarchy and aristocratic privilege and the emergence of the common man and democratic rights, it was also the beginnings of modern totalitarian government and large-scale executions of "enemies of the People" by impersonal government entities (Robespierre's "Committee of Public Safety"). This legacy would not reach its fullest bloom until the tragic arrival of the German Nazis and Soviet and Chinese communists of the 20th century."
French Revolution - Robespierre, and the Legacy of the Reign of Terror


Communism, National Socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism.....all have a the central doctrine:
"....an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature...." Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"


There is no morality. No care or concern for other, or for life. Nor is any required. This is the gift of the Enlightenment, with its view to replacing religion with science, with reason.


I'd be more than happy to provide a short list of books you should....should....read.

What you posted doesn't change what I said one iota.

Here are some examples of christian barbarism:

The Crusades
The Inquisition
The St. Bartholomew Day Massacre
The Salem Witch trials
The Bonfire of the Vanities
Any and all pograms
The 30 Years War

 

[PoliticalChic]

There are certain characteristics that we have come to find in religion....and some that immediately exclude a worldview from that category......


1. “We should by now have become used to the death cult that is thriving at the fringes of the Muslim world. This is the cult of people who are proud to declare, "You love life, but we love death." This is the cult that sent waves of defenseless children to be mowed down on the battlefields of the Iran-Iraq war, that trains kindergartners to become bombs, that fetishizes death, that sends people off joyfully to commit mass murder. Because the death cult is not really about the cause it purports to serve. It's about the sheer pleasure of killing and dying.” Cult of Death

a. It is the blood that informs the act. In the 1971 assassination of Jordan’s prime minister, Wasfi l-Tell, by PLO terrorists. “As he lay there, one of his killers bent over and lapped the blood that poured from his wounds.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226317/know-thy-enemy/michael-ledeen

b. Leading Muslim clerics often refer to the love of death. Chief Palestinian Authority cleric Mufti Sheikh Ikrimeh Sabri stated, "We tell them, in as much as you love life, the Muslim loves death and martyrdom.”
http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/stalinsky200405240846.asp





2. "The Islamic practice of beheading enemies and sinners dates back to the Prophet Muhammad himself. According to Arab historian Ibn Ishaq (d. 768 C.E.), Muhammad ordered the beheadings of at least 600 Jewish Banu Qurayza tribesmen in Medina on suspicion of plotting against him.

Beheading also finds support in the Koran. In one passage, Allah says "I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off" (8:12). In another, Muslims are exhorted to "confront the disbelievers, strike at their necks" (47:4).

In the modern era, the practice of beheading first came to Western attention when Muhammad Ahmad of the Sudan declared himself Mahdi in 1880 and waged a jihad against Ottoman Egyptian and British forces. Ahmad's followers routinely beheaded their opponents, most famously British Gen. Charles Gordon.

The modern video beheading phenomenon began in 2002 when 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) decapitated Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. KSM was captured shortly afterwards, but al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi took the idea and ran with it in a series of grisly videos showing the beheading of Western civilian contractors and others in Iraq. Zarqawi followed the parameters of the genre established by KSM: prayers, insults, recitation from the Koran, beheading, posing with the head. As a final insult, the ceremony ends when the severed head is set upon the back of the dismembered corpse.

Beheading videos disappeared for a while but resumed in 2014 with the rise of ISIS. The prime actor in this third wave of video terrorism was English-speaking ISIS operative Mohammed Emwazi, dubbed "Jihadi John" by the British press....
Kathy Griffin Needs to Check Her Infidel Privilege [Satire]




...certain characteristics that immediately exclude a worldview from the category of 'religion'......

Hmmm, the love of death:

American pastors calling for the murder of millions of Americans:

Pastor Roger Jimenez
Pastor Steven Anderson
Pastor Kevin Swanson
Pastor Jesse Price
Pastor Charles L. Worley
Pastor Bert Farias
Pastor Jeffrey S. Smith
Pastor Curtis Napp
Pastor James David Manning

We can watch their sermons on Youtube. They preach murder to their "flocks" every Sunday.



I'm against violence, but I believe they should be executed by the government.



Putting them to death limits conversions. The government should kill them.

Do the majority of Republicans believe in mass murder? Probably. As far as I know, there aren't any statistics saying they don't.

Let's put you in your place....again.

You've tried to compare a snowflake to an avalanche.
Because, of course, you're simply a fool.


Here's the avalanche.

40% of Indonesians approve of violence in defense of Islam.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly.asp?fileid=20060728.@03 Violence in Defense of Islam – Statistics


Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
Muslim Opinion Polls


*much more here:

Muslim Opinion Polls


Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live peacefully and that only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence? That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a tiny minority of racists ever hurt anyone. Neither does it explain why religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries.

In truth, even a tiny minority of "1%" of Muslims worldwide translates to 15 million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number. However, the "minority" of Muslims who approve of terrorists, their goals, or their means of achieving them is much greater than this. In fact, it isn't even a true minority in some cases, depending on how goals and targets are defined. Muslim Opinion Polls