What's Going On Here???

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Steve757, Mar 26, 2006.

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    Why can't the people of our country get it through their collective heads that our political parties are allowing their egos to destroy our nation? Why do we tolerate partisan politics that put political wins ahead of what's best for our country? I consider myself a common sense Independent. I vote for the people who I believe offer the best ideas for the issues that impact me and our country. That means I vote Republican at times and Democrat other times.

    Right now, I can't relate to either party! We have a Republican government (where there is no longer and checks and balances) fighting a "war on terrorism." We were told that it was important to "fight terrorism before it hit our land." So far, so good. BUT, how can we take this war on terror seriously when our borders have no protection? Does it not make sense that THIS should be our FIRST priority? I'm still trying to understand the justification for not cracking down on illegals. I have no problem with people who want to come to our country. Why can't they do so legally? Further, all immigrants should be required to gain an elementary education...at the very least, learn english. Finally, how about a 10 year residency requirement before they are allowed to collect any benefits? In essence, they'd have to actually contribute to the funds they are benefitting from.

    But its not just Republicans to blame. Where have the Democrats been? AND, what new IDEAS are you bringing to the table? To date, I've heard none. The Republican party has dropped the ball. They control both houses and have no excuse for the current string of failures. Yet where are the Democrats? I don't need to be told how messed up things are today. Is it asking too much for someone to offer ideas for fixing this mess? Hillary is NOT the answer and will cost the Dems any shot at the presidency. Mark Warner would be an interesting candidate that would have some appeal to both parties, but look for the Dems to blow this.

    Finally, I need someone to clarify something for me. We are losing lives and spending huge amounts of money to "free" the Iraqi people. We want them to experience the freedoms we, as Americans enjoy every day. Why is it then, that people who disagree with the Republican viewpoint on the war, are labeled "unpatriotic," and "unamerican?" You certainly can support the troops without supporting the cause (again, I happen to believe we did the right thing by going to Iraq.) One of our most precious rights as Americans is our right to disagree with the government. I believe it was Ben Franklin who said, "The first amendment was created to respect speech that was unpopular, not popular."
     
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    welcome steve.

    Your kind of all over the place there on topics we've discussed at length. Try picking one to start and we'll have a conversation from there or you can do a search and find a topic that is already started and add to that.

    You have some strong opinions it seems. You'll make a good addition to the boards. Just make sure you back up your opinions with links to the facts.

    Once again welcome.
     
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    I'm new myself. This is a good place to sort out your ideas.

    I have always wondered, and perhaps you can help me, someone who claims to be an Independent says they vote for a candidate based on their ideas. Because we basically a two party system, and those two parties have agendas don't you identify with one agenda over the other, and if so, how can you be independent?

    Again, welcome, if your an incurable political gunky you will have a good time on this board.
     
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    From what I gather, independents call themselves independent so they can fluctuate their ideology as needed. During an unpopular presidency, one might take pot-shots at the party in power, while not recognizing themselves as a member of the opposite party. Also, independents do not have to defend the party they are of, so they can attack Democrats and Republicans alike, and do not have to defend either.
     
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    I hear ya and agree..our two party system is failing us at a crucial time in history!
     
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    I see this as being more of a politics thread than a WOT thread. PErhaps a mod should move this.
     
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    This has always confused me. Splitting your vote is another perplexing issue. For example, if you vote for a Republican President, and then vote for a Dem Senators and Dem Representatives what did you accomplish? :bang3:
     
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    Theoretically it should not matter. For instance, having lived on both coasts and in between a conservative/liberal on one coast is not necessarily the same on the other. Many who consider themselves liberals on the East Coast suddenly find their ideals defned as conservative in SoCal.

    If a Republican President holds a certain belief, then whoever holds that same belief or represents that same point of view, should vote accordingly. That's the way it's supposed to work.

    It's a sound theory -- in practice, blind partisanship destroys it.
     
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    Uhhh...I think you're stretching. At the extreme margins, I would agree with you, but agendas aren't conceived and run at the margins. Agendas are driven from the base of each party. McCain and Lieberman are good examples, both enjoy support from the other party, but neither represent the base of their respective party and will never lead their respective party. Both have tried, both have crashed and burned.
     
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    So their consituency supports them locally because they believe that they(McCain, Lieberman) are good for their state, but may choose to vote differently on a national level.
     

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